(07-28-2021 06:42 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  This doesn't make dollars and cents.

The AAC contracts are only $7m per school, while the B12 is drawing over $30m counting the digital ESPN+ part. To lure away one school would require $100m just for 2022-25 time frame, and it would have to run longer than that. But that even assumes 100% of that money goes to the new school and no bonuses to existing members. In reality they'd have to bump the whole conference up almost $20m per school which is $220m a year on top of the $300m a year for three Big 12 schools. We are talking over the remainder of the current AAC contract of ten years or almost $5B.

That just doesn't add up in order to get Texas and Oklahoma out to save $160m.

The only way it works is if the XII closes up shop.

8 members in the XII moving forward. Having the AAC take the last 3-5 means they expect to unload another 3-5 XII teams somewhere else.

XII leftovers in the AAC don't have to pay the exit fees and get money in the range of what they would if they stayed put and expanded with the AAC clubs.

Its nothing that we didn't already realize. The AAC would take in a few XII stragglers if it came to that.

(07-28-2021 05:57 PM)Maize Wrote:  "[There are] two documents that govern our members," Bowlsby told CBS Sports. "One is the bylaws, and the other is the grant of rights. The bylaws go for 99 years; the grant of rights go until 2024-25. ESPN has been behind these moves every step of the way."

In comes Todge to rail on about how the 99-year bylaws are unbreakable...

Reading this article, it looks like the reason for the time lag between Dodd's tweet promising the article and the time the article was published might be that some CBS lawyer had to go through it and add "alleges" and "Bowlsby said" in several places to make sure it doesn't read like CBS itself is making wild accusations.

(07-28-2021 07:12 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Reading this article, it looks like the reason for the time lag between Dodd's tweet promising the article and the time the article was published might be that some CBS lawyer had to go through it and add "alleges" and "Bowlsby said" in several places to make sure it doesn't read like CBS itself is making wild accusations.

From McMurphy

(07-28-2021 06:46 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 06:29 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  I don't see leadership at all. If he had any he would've been getting on the front end of realignment and protecting the two biggest brands in the conferernce. He got complacent and it burned him. This is an act of desperation and it comes across to me that the B12 is toast.

Let me guess, if only he invited Cincinnati a few years ago the conference would be safe!


Good one!

Not safe, but if they had expanded back then, the American probably wouldn’t be an option to collude with at that point…

Bet you think the Big East handled everything well in 2010 era too.

(07-28-2021 07:13 PM)Maize Wrote:  From McMurphy

I'm *shocked* that the Oklahoma State alumnus says the Big 12 has the advantage.

Can we say Tortious Interference?!

*gets popcorn*

(07-28-2021 07:15 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Not safe, but if they had expanded back then, the American probably wouldn’t be an option to collude with at that point…

Bet you think the Big East handled everything well in 2010 era too.

Texas and OU controlled expansion, not the conference commissioner. Look up Fred Jacoby. That guy was screaming at the top of his lungs for the SWC to replace Arkansas. Once again, it’s a conference with Texas in it that failed to do anything.

Bowlsby’s job is to protect the remaining members of the conference and he’s doing what he can.

Let's say that you are one of 4 AAC teams that would be moving to a P5 conference, where every team likely earns around $20million per year to start. How happy are you that ESPN is going to come in and try to blow up the B12 so that Texas and OU dont have to pay $150million in exit fees and can immediately go to the SEC. How happy are yuou to be back in the AAC where you might make $8million per year in 5 years when the backloaded contract catches up.

I know that ESPN would love to kill the B12. But they are flirting very dangerously here.

The Big 12 holds the cards for three years. They are owed the money they are owed until 2025. Unless multiple schools have ACC and PAC offers, there is no better deal on the table. Sit on your ass, collect, and send out invites to BYU for now, or legally extend invites to AAC schools when appropriate. Not even the mouse can pull this off. They’d have to take WVU and KU to the ACC to have any shot, and TCU OSU TTech would need PAC16 offers or lucrative AAC offers to put the proverbial fork in the Big12.

(07-28-2021 07:52 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Let's say that you are one of 4 AAC teams that would be moving to a P5 conference, where every team likely earns around $20million per year to start. How happy are you that ESPN is going to come in and try to blow up the B12 so that Texas and OU dont have to pay $150million in exit fees and can immediately go to the SEC. How happy are yuou to be back in the AAC where you might make $8million per year in 5 years when the backloaded contract catches up.

I know that ESPN would love to kill the B12. But they are flirting very dangerously here.

The Big 12 is no longer a power conference.

That fact that ESPN is on the side of the AAC is absolutely huge for AAC. ESPN does not mess around. The B12's TV value just plummeted further.

Mike Aresco might be the best commissioner in college football.

(07-28-2021 07:13 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 07:12 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Reading this article, it looks like the reason for the time lag between Dodd's tweet promising the article and the time the article was published might be that some CBS lawyer had to go through it and add "alleges" and "Bowlsby said" in several places to make sure it doesn't read like CBS itself is making wild accusations.

From McMurphy

Need... more... popcorn.

(07-28-2021 08:01 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  That fact that ESPN is on the side of the AAC is absolutely huge for AAC. ESPN does not mess around. The B12's TV value just plummeted further.

Mike Aresco might be the best commissioner in college football.

Aresco is good but it’s always been reactive. He’s trying to make his last stand here, but he will lose as he always has. There is no way 5 teams are leaving for the AAC.

(07-28-2021 08:07 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 08:01 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  That fact that ESPN is on the side of the AAC is absolutely huge for AAC. ESPN does not mess around. The B12's TV value just plummeted further.

Mike Aresco might be the best commissioner in college football.

Aresco is good but it’s always been reactive. He’s trying to make his last stand here, but he will lose as he always has. There is no way 5 teams are leaving for the AAC.

Guaranteed every AAC school is having second thoughts about joining B12.

B12 TV value plummeted further and has made an enemy of ESPN. ESPN will not bid on next TV deal and their next deal will probably be peanuts.

(07-28-2021 07:43 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 07:15 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Not safe, but if they had expanded back then, the American probably wouldn’t be an option to collude with at that point…

Bet you think the Big East handled everything well in 2010 era too.

Texas and OU controlled expansion, not the conference commissioner. Look up Fred Jacoby. That guy was screaming at the top of his lungs for the SWC to replace Arkansas. Once again, it’s a conference with Texas in it that failed to do anything.

Bowlsby’s job is to protect the remaining members of the conference and he’s doing what he can.

So the conference commissioner just operates in a vacuum? If you know your two biggest brands hold the most cards in the deck and their inclusion as members is tenuous then you do everything you can to protect those assets. Only after they announced their intention to leave did he pull the other schools together and held a discussion about incentives to keep them as members. Now, he's whining about conspiring to cover the poor job he did to keep the conference together. That is his job, no? No one is saying he's solely to blame for the demise of his conference but he's certainly a part of it. If you want to continue to give him a pass fine. Why don't you suggest the ACC bring him on board in a leadership role?

(07-28-2021 08:07 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 08:01 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  That fact that ESPN is on the side of the AAC is absolutely huge for AAC. ESPN does not mess around. The B12's TV value just plummeted further.

Mike Aresco might be the best commissioner in college football.

Aresco is good but it’s always been reactive. He’s trying to make his last stand here, but he will lose as he always has. There is no way 5 teams are leaving for the AAC.

When did he lose. Hes made more of the hand he was dealt that I thought he would. The B12 should have hired him.

(07-28-2021 08:17 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Guaranteed every AAC school is having second thoughts about joining B12.

B12 TV value plummeted further and has made an enemy of ESPN. ESPN will not bid on next TV deal and their next deal will probably be peanuts.

Sorry, but you are emotional and failing to see the facts unlike your Quo Vadis brethren.

The Lil8 can sit on their asses for three years and collect. They can sign for pennies on the dollar with Fox. They will still collect. Their desired AAC schools will be invited through all the legal channels, even the 27 month notice can be honored if need be. They will get UC and UCF if they want. They just have to wait it out. Meanwhile, the AAC will have to win playoff games over the Big 12 in that three year window to have any merit of subsistence in their current form once the next merry-go-round is underway.

(07-28-2021 08:25 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 08:17 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Guaranteed every AAC school is having second thoughts about joining B12.

B12 TV value plummeted further and has made an enemy of ESPN. ESPN will not bid on next TV deal and their next deal will probably be peanuts.

Sorry, but you are emotional and failing to see the facts unlike your Quo Vadis brethren.

The Lil8 can sit on their asses for three years and collect. They can sign for pennies on the dollar with Fox. They will still collect. Their desired AAC schools will be invited through all the legal channels, even the 27 month grace period can be honored if need be. They will get UC and UCF if they want. They just have to wait it out. Meanwhile, the AAC will have to win playoff games over the Big 12 in that three year window to have any merit of subsistence in their current form once the next merry-go-round is underway.

Its called being delusional.

We will see.