Who on here has seen the video and can post a link? I'd like to form an opinion based on the actual source material and not one alleged quote pulled out of context and posted on facebook.

(08-20-2021 04:36 PM)chicagoduke Wrote:  Who on here has seen the video and can post a link? I'd like to form an opinion based on the actual source material and not one alleged quote pulled out of context and posted on facebook.

It has been removed from YouTube

(08-20-2021 04:47 PM)JMU_Newbill Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 04:36 PM)chicagoduke Wrote:  Who on here has seen the video and can post a link? I'd like to form an opinion based on the actual source material and not one alleged quote pulled out of context and posted on facebook.

It has been removed from YouTube

Have you seen it? Nothing on the internet is ever gone for good. I am willing to bet that someone grabbed a screen capture of the video before it was removed.

(08-20-2021 04:49 PM)chicagoduke Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 04:47 PM)JMU_Newbill Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 04:36 PM)chicagoduke Wrote:  Who on here has seen the video and can post a link? I'd like to form an opinion based on the actual source material and not one alleged quote pulled out of context and posted on facebook.

It has been removed from YouTube

Have you seen it? Nothing on the internet is ever gone for good. I am willing to bet that someone grabbed a screen capture of the video before it was removed.

No it was the actual training, I watched it. Foxnews reported or not, that video was the actual training slides and it was presented on screen by two JMU students. I personally didn’t care for it but I’m not quite as up in arms about it as others.

(08-20-2021 04:36 PM)chicagoduke Wrote:  Who on here has seen the video and can post a link? I'd like to form an opinion based on the actual source material and not one alleged quote pulled out of context and posted on facebook.

The video was a typical boring training video....certainly wasn't what has been portrayed around here and on Fox.

"typical boring training video"... wow

(08-20-2021 04:33 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 04:17 PM)CarRamrod Wrote:  Wow, wished I'd never ventured into this nonsense of a thread. A bunch of middle-aged/senior dudes complaining about be oppressed to hide from their own prejudices and uncomfortable histories. Come on fellas, get it together.

If you cant see that blanket-labelling so many people as oppressors is a problem, then you are part of the problem

Exactly. These people are bigots using indoctrination to create more bigots. They have no problem pre-judging you by the color of your skin, yet get mad when you tell them they're being prejudiced (and racist.) They can't see their prejudice because their bigotry is in their way. Their response is to call you an oppressor because you won't accept their indoctrination or their bigotry.

Can someone remind me which party has the snowflakes and which party hates cancel culture? All these old white dudes crying that they were called an oppressor (they weren't) and threatening to stop donations has me confused.

(08-20-2021 04:33 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 04:17 PM)CarRamrod Wrote:  Wow, wished I'd never ventured into this nonsense of a thread. A bunch of middle-aged/senior dudes complaining about be oppressed to hide from their own prejudices and uncomfortable histories. Come on fellas, get it together.

If you cant see that blanket-labelling so many people as oppressors is a problem, then you are part of the problem

People are taking this way too personally. White, Christian men are oppressors, not oppressed, and always have been in America. Don't look at it as "hey I'm a white, Christian man so you're saying I'm bad!" It's just about what groups are generally oppressors/privileged and what groups are generally oppressed/targeted.

If it's not a matter of taking it too personally for anyone here and is a matter of thinking white men are oppressed or that oppression doesn't exist then holy crap.

(08-20-2021 03:55 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  “Dear JMU Community,
Just within the past year, we have dealt with a myriad of challenges and together, as a campus community, we have overcome them.
As excited as I am to be welcoming students back to campus, I want take a moment to address recent concerns raised by some in our community about a training for some student staff.
As Dr. Tim Miller, vice president for Student Affairs, emphasized in his video statement, we have decided to pause the training in question for evaluation and review with a variety of JMU constituents.
Let me be clear: We value and respect individuals of all backgrounds. I want to reassert my commitment, and that of all of us at James Madison University, to develop and foster an inclusive environment. Everyone has a place at JMU, and we will continue to strive to create a climate in which everyone feels welcome and respected. That includes people of all racial, gender, socioeconomic, religious, and cultural backgrounds.
Work and conversations surrounding diversity, equity and inclusion can be difficult and at times uncomfortable, but they are necessary. These are challenging topics to discuss, and we know that they are important and demand a lot of thought and care. The ongoing work of the university can, and must be, to seek to have such conversations in ways that honor and respect all members of our community. We all have a lot to learn, and we all have a lot to contribute.
As we navigate this journey together, I ask for empathy and support of one another. During this time of new beginnings, JMU and its leaders will be welcoming individuals from every imaginable background, and it is critical at these times to confront challenges and build strength and solidarity among us. We will continue to learn and grow together.
I look forward to seeing many of you on campus in the coming days.

Jonathan Alger
President, James Madison University”

I think well said- just my opinion- conversations around race and inclusion can be uncomfortable I agree 1000% on that but they need to continue. It’s as President Obama (then Presidential candidate Obama) once said in his famous speech in Philadelphia. Regardless of politics I think everyone can understand that There are many sides to this and we all need to try to understand where the other person is coming from.

I’m not saying that the reaction to this training is the same as the stuff that I see on my social media in the same vain as “shut up and dribble” etc but my feeling is that a lot of mostly white people are fatigued by the conversation- why- in part because it’s uncomfortable for them. That’s not a good enough reason IMO to stymie the conversation. It still needs to happen. Now there’s a line and if a race is truly being vilified or labeled that is wrong and has swung the other way but I don’t think that’s the case. I think people are just fatigued and uncomfortable by the line of conversation and taking it that way.

I just wish our University president could use the word “myriad” appropriately. Kind of embarrassing.

(08-20-2021 09:46 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 09:39 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  Agree or disagree if you don't think pretty much every school in America has some iteration of similar materials that are presented in certain situations you are kidding yourself.

Bingo. The outrage is comical to me.

We didn't graduate from 'any other university' and the fact that this has made national news tends to make some of us believe there is more to this than just another leaf turned. I love JMU, but they will not see a penny from me until this ridiculous and anti-inclusive (yes the irony) policy is wiped completely off their radar.

(08-20-2021 07:58 PM)19Duke97 Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 09:46 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 09:39 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  Agree or disagree if you don't think pretty much every school in America has some iteration of similar materials that are presented in certain situations you are kidding yourself.

Bingo. The outrage is comical to me.

We didn't graduate from 'any other university' and the fact that this has made national news tends to make some of us believe there is more to this than just another leaf turned. I love JMU, but they will not see a penny from me until this ridiculous and anti-inclusive (yes the irony) policy is wiped completely off their radar.

This made national news because it is fodder to a certain consumer. It drives ratings, that’s all.

Now, let’s back out and take the 10,000 ft view. An orientation training material used some poor choices of words. Do you honestly think JMU, a school that is 90% white, views the majority of our alumni as “oppressors”. Come on…what beyond this “story” would lead you to believe that? All I ever received from JMU is thanks for my support.

The reality is JMU has put out a press release stating that this video/training is no longer occurring. They know a mistake was made. It will be fixed, but don’t expect equity and inclusivity training to stop.

But please, cut our pathetically small donor base to make your point. I’m sure you’ll ***** when we can’t go FBS b/c we don’t have the money.

(08-20-2021 04:22 PM)Purple Wrote:  [quote='NJDuke97' pid='17567651' dateline='1629492949']
“Dear JMU Community,
Just within the past year, we have dealt with a myriad of challenges and together, as a campus community, we have overcome them.
As excited as I am to be welcoming students back to campus, I want take a moment to address recent concerns raised by some in our community about a training for some student staff.
As Dr. Tim Miller, vice president for Student Affairs, emphasized in his video statement, we have decided to pause the training in question for evaluation and review with a variety of JMU constituents.
Let me be clear: We value and respect individuals of all backgrounds. I want to reassert my commitment, and that of all of us at James Madison University, to develop and foster an inclusive environment. Everyone has a place at JMU, and we will continue to strive to create a climate in which everyone feels welcome and respected. That includes people of all racial, gender, socioeconomic, religious, and cultural backgrounds.
Work and conversations surrounding diversity, equity and inclusion can be difficult and at times uncomfortable, but they are necessary. These are challenging topics to discuss, and we know that they are important and demand a lot of thought and care. The ongoing work of the university can, and must be, to seek to have such conversations in ways that honor and respect all members of our community. We all have a lot to learn, and we all have a lot to contribute.
As we navigate this journey together, I ask for empathy and support of one another. During this time of new beginnings, JMU and its leaders will be welcoming individuals from every imaginable background, and it is critical at these times to confront challenges and build strength and solidarity among us. We will continue to learn and grow together.
I look forward to seeing many of you on campus in the coming days.

Jonathan Alger
President, James Madison University”


I don't believe they are "uncomfortable" at all. They are just sick of being accused of something they aren't.

Let me get this straight

1- After the training was completed, student employees were sent an email instructing them to "not share these materials with others."

2 - JMU had the video removed from YouTube today after thousands of viewers rated it as repulsive

3 - Various JMU agents have taking action to "lock down" this communication thread

Now Alger sends this missive with his air of superiority, lecturing us like a bunch of fifth graders at a school assembly.

He wants support and trust as we navigate this journey together? He wants a climate of transparency with discussion on difficult topics?

Are you kidding me?

(08-20-2021 08:29 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 04:22 PM)Purple Wrote:  [quote='NJDuke97' pid='17567651' dateline='1629492949']
“Dear JMU Community,
Just within the past year, we have dealt with a myriad of challenges and together, as a campus community, we have overcome them.
As excited as I am to be welcoming students back to campus, I want take a moment to address recent concerns raised by some in our community about a training for some student staff.
As Dr. Tim Miller, vice president for Student Affairs, emphasized in his video statement, we have decided to pause the training in question for evaluation and review with a variety of JMU constituents.
Let me be clear: We value and respect individuals of all backgrounds. I want to reassert my commitment, and that of all of us at James Madison University, to develop and foster an inclusive environment. Everyone has a place at JMU, and we will continue to strive to create a climate in which everyone feels welcome and respected. That includes people of all racial, gender, socioeconomic, religious, and cultural backgrounds.
Work and conversations surrounding diversity, equity and inclusion can be difficult and at times uncomfortable, but they are necessary. These are challenging topics to discuss, and we know that they are important and demand a lot of thought and care. The ongoing work of the university can, and must be, to seek to have such conversations in ways that honor and respect all members of our community. We all have a lot to learn, and we all have a lot to contribute.
As we navigate this journey together, I ask for empathy and support of one another. During this time of new beginnings, JMU and its leaders will be welcoming individuals from every imaginable background, and it is critical at these times to confront challenges and build strength and solidarity among us. We will continue to learn and grow together.
I look forward to seeing many of you on campus in the coming days.

Jonathan Alger
President, James Madison University”


I don't believe they are "uncomfortable" at all. They are just sick of being accused of something they aren't.

Let me get this straight

1- After the training was completed, student employees were sent an email instructing them to "not share these materials with others."

2 - JMU had the video removed from YouTube today after thousands of viewers rated it as repulsive

3 - Various JMU agents have taking action to "lock down" this communication thread

Now Alger sends this missive with his air of superiority, lecturing us like a bunch of fifth graders at a school assembly.

He wants support and trust as we navigate this journey together? He wants a climate of transparency with discussion on difficult topics?

Are you kidding me?

Curious. You’ve been here for decades, always bitching and moaning. Never once adding anything. What would you say you do here?

"The clitoris has 9000 nerve endings and it's still not as sensitive as a white man on the internet."

“Dear JMU Community,
Just within the past year, we have dealt with a myriad of challenges and together, as a campus community, we have overcome them.
As excited as I am to be welcoming students back to campus, I want take a moment to address recent concerns raised by some in our community about a training for some student staff.
As Dr. Tim Miller, vice president for Student Affairs, emphasized in his video statement, we have decided to pause the training in question for evaluation and review with a variety of JMU constituents.
Let me be clear: We value and respect individuals of all backgrounds. I want to reassert my commitment, and that of all of us at James Madison University, to develop and foster an inclusive environment. Everyone has a place at JMU, and we will continue to strive to create a climate in which everyone feels welcome and respected. That includes people of all racial, gender, socioeconomic, religious, and cultural backgrounds.
Work and conversations surrounding diversity, equity and inclusion can be difficult and at times uncomfortable, but they are necessary. These are challenging topics to discuss, and we know that they are important and demand a lot of thought and care. The ongoing work of the university can, and must be, to seek to have such conversations in ways that honor and respect all members of our community. We all have a lot to learn, and we all have a lot to contribute.
As we navigate this journey together, I ask for empathy and support of one another. During this time of new beginnings, JMU and its leaders will be welcoming individuals from every imaginable background, and it is critical at these times to confront challenges and build strength and solidarity among us. We will continue to learn and grow together.
I look forward to seeing many of you on campus in the coming days.

Jonathan Alger
President, James Madison University”


This is rich to say the least. This man has been in charge of this university for 9 years. If he has not been able to "develop and foster an inclusive environment" by this time then it's on him. I consider this an abject failure and an indictment of his leadership and management skills. Pathetic. Furthermore, if this were about having difficult "conversations" it would not be so objectionable. But there is no conversation going on. Training and indoctrination are not conversations. Those of you who think this is ok better take a long, hard look at yourselves. Teaching young, impressionable minds that an entire group of people are oppressors, simply by virtue of the color of their skin, is abhorrent. Likewise, convincing others that they are oppressed, simply by virtue of the color of their skin, is equally abhorrent. Wake up people. This is all about divide and conquer. Create a crisis and then convince the public that you are the only ones who can fix it.

(08-20-2021 08:15 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  The reality is JMU has put out a press release stating that this video/training is no longer occurring. They know a mistake was made. It will be fixed, but don’t expect equity and inclusivity training to stop.

So they pulled the plug on this training? But wasn’t it a training program that has already been conducted and wasn’t going to be done again this year anyway?

(08-20-2021 02:44 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  Schools/teachers should stick to teaching and parents stick to parenting. What I learned last year looking over my kids shoulder during online courses is you can't always trust the knowledge or experiences of the people you are paying to educate your kids.

So the irony of these back to back sentences is completely lost on you then?

So how many of you are going to stop posting and be vested in JMU football? Asking for a friend.

Will be moving this thread to the off topic section. Discussion can resume there where it is more free to share one's views on the subject.