(08-23-2021 03:54 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-22-2021 07:38 PM)johnintx Wrote:  FSU made a good short-term decision by joining the ACC. They won big in their first several years, and would not have dominated the SEC at that level during that time period. Long-term, not so much. They are now a football school staring at $30M per year less in income than their neighbors in the SEC, while they are bound by a GOR (which they voted against) until 2035.

They didn’t vote against the GOR. They voted against increasing the exit fees to exorbitant amounts.

They signed the GOR.

My point is if FSU hadn’t signed the GOR The ACC wouldn’t have one.

Correct. Florida State and Maryland voted against raising the exit fee from 1X annual distributions to 3X annual distributions. When Maryland left they essentially paid the 1X amount. Had Florida State left at that time, they probably would have paid the same fee as Maryland.
CJ is correct, all of the ACC schools signed the GOR.

(08-23-2021 12:59 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-23-2021 12:40 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(08-22-2021 11:22 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-22-2021 10:47 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(08-22-2021 12:31 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  If the TAMU alumni association still likes the SEC, then I will agree with you JR. However, for all of the commotion coming out of TAMU when E$PN snuck Texas and OU in the SEC, I would say that the move at least rubbed some folks' fur the wrong way among the alumni.

However, "we should keep Texas out of the SEC" and "We should leave the SEC in response to Texas joining" are two very different kettles of fish ... one can easily imagine a lot of the people strongly in support of the first peeling away from support of the second.

Red Herring. A&M's president was in the loop, just sworn to secrecy. When the Houston Chronicle released the story it was during SEC media days and during A&M's time at the podium. The AD and Fisher found out and responded before the president was authorized to speak to her people. Boosters were called by the AD and negative press out before she could meet with her staff. After her return and she explained why this had her support things deescalated in 48 hours. A&M officially expressed support and the vote to accept was 14-0. End of story.

None of which contradicts or disputes my point, that the same boosters who could be riled up about Texas joining the SEC should not be counted on as supporters for Texas A&M leaving the SEC.

Indeed, to the extent that some will have been placated and are no longer riled up about it, it strengthens my point.

Why would you assume that I was disputing your point?

Because you appeared to be labeling my response to the claim a red herring, and I didn't think it was.

Quote: I was merely giving the timeline of events, why A&M was aware and involved but not forthcoming, and the resolution. The red herring was any suspicion that A&M was not on board.

So if you were calling the claim I was addressing a red herring, that was not clear to me, but it makes recounting of the timeline make more sense.

To be sure the claim I was answering is a red herring, but claims can be wrong for multiple reasons.

Quote: Is the board really this tight and defensive? I also agreed with your last post in another thread with your remarks about the neo-plantation effect with regard to athletes.

I was responding to what the words appeared to say, from my end. That wasn't what you were trying to say, so it's just a conversational glitch. No worries, mate.

I don’t think the Big 10 can make a move against the SEC. Missouri isn’t a big enough grab at 15 to justify an expansion.

I hope Warren isn’t stupid enough to think adding Vanderbilt is a positive move.

(08-23-2021 04:11 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-23-2021 03:54 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-22-2021 07:38 PM)johnintx Wrote:  FSU made a good short-term decision by joining the ACC. They won big in their first several years, and would not have dominated the SEC at that level during that time period. Long-term, not so much. They are now a football school staring at $30M per year less in income than their neighbors in the SEC, while they are bound by a GOR (which they voted against) until 2035.

They didn’t vote against the GOR. They voted against increasing the exit fees to exorbitant amounts.

They signed the GOR.

My point is if FSU hadn’t signed the GOR The ACC wouldn’t have one.

Correct. Florida State and Maryland voted against raising the exit fee from 1X annual distributions to 3X annual distributions. When Maryland left they essentially paid the 1X amount. Had Florida State left at that time, they probably would have paid the same fee as Maryland.
CJ is correct, all of the ACC schools signed the GOR.

Gotcha. I knew FSU and Maryland were outvoted on one of these things, then Maryland left shortly thereafter.