(09-26-2021 12:46 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(09-25-2021 08:21 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(09-25-2021 04:42 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  FB record from 2015-2020

34-37

Appalachian State has 63 wins in that same time period and theyre not mentioned much either.

Because everyone sees App and screams "small market" or "they've hit their ceiling"

They have a brand that is larger than many schools added and they have a good sized tan support too. If they can expand their stadium further and add AAC teams to the schedule they will easily bring 30k+ to their games. Honestly I've felt for awhile the AAC needs to include App St as one of the four replacements simply for their history of sustained success and they do fit well within the footprint. Paired with UAB and 1-2 others (say UTSA and Georgia St), you'd have a good combination of current/previous football and basketball success along with large upside teams as well in big markets. App St in many ways is where ECU was in C-USA they're fan base just isn't quite as large yet but with victories over local and regional P5s and even a Top 25 finish, they definitely warrant some serious consideration.

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And everyone hates on ECU because our only draw was the records that we brought in. Once those went away, so did our value to the conference apparently.


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(09-26-2021 09:15 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 12:46 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(09-25-2021 08:21 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(09-25-2021 04:42 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  FB record from 2015-2020

34-37

Appalachian State has 63 wins in that same time period and theyre not mentioned much either.

Because everyone sees App and screams "small market" or "they've hit their ceiling"

They have a brand that is larger than many schools added and they have a good sized tan support too. If they can expand their stadium further and add AAC teams to the schedule they will easily bring 30k+ to their games. Honestly I've felt for awhile the AAC needs to include App St as one of the four replacements simply for their history of sustained success and they do fit well within the footprint. Paired with UAB and 1-2 others (say UTSA and Georgia St), you'd have a good combination of current/previous football and basketball success along with large upside teams as well in big markets. App St in many ways is where ECU was in C-USA they're fan base just isn't quite as large yet but with victories over local and regional P5s and even a Top 25 finish, they definitely warrant some serious consideration.

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And everyone hates on ECU because our only draw was the records that we brought in. Once those went away, so did our value to the conference apparently.


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That will change if the AAC decides to add ECU's old rivals.

(09-26-2021 09:15 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 12:46 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(09-25-2021 08:21 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(09-25-2021 04:42 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  FB record from 2015-2020

34-37

Appalachian State has 63 wins in that same time period and theyre not mentioned much either.

Because everyone sees App and screams "small market" or "they've hit their ceiling"

They have a brand that is larger than many schools added and they have a good sized tan support too. If they can expand their stadium further and add AAC teams to the schedule they will easily bring 30k+ to their games. Honestly I've felt for awhile the AAC needs to include App St as one of the four replacements simply for their history of sustained success and they do fit well within the footprint. Paired with UAB and 1-2 others (say UTSA and Georgia St), you'd have a good combination of current/previous football and basketball success along with large upside teams as well in big markets. App St in many ways is where ECU was in C-USA they're fan base just isn't quite as large yet but with victories over local and regional P5s and even a Top 25 finish, they definitely warrant some serious consideration.

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And everyone hates on ECU because our only draw was the records that we brought in. Once those went away, so did our value to the conference apparently.


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My post wasn't a knock on ECU, quite the opposite. Was just saying that App St is following the same trajectory that ECU was in growing their program. I also think App St and ECU are pure natural rivals for one another. Maybe I'm wrong but that turnout in Charlotte this yr was pretty good (wasn't it a weeknight too). Eastern and Western NC collide both with large fanbases. Personally I think App St and ECU are likely to be better rivals than ECU and ODU. If ECU can get back to their strong C-USA and early AAC days they will be a force to be reckoned with.

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(09-26-2021 09:33 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 09:15 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 12:46 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(09-25-2021 08:21 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(09-25-2021 04:42 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  FB record from 2015-2020

34-37

Appalachian State has 63 wins in that same time period and theyre not mentioned much either.

Because everyone sees App and screams "small market" or "they've hit their ceiling"

They have a brand that is larger than many schools added and they have a good sized tan support too. If they can expand their stadium further and add AAC teams to the schedule they will easily bring 30k+ to their games. Honestly I've felt for awhile the AAC needs to include App St as one of the four replacements simply for their history of sustained success and they do fit well within the footprint. Paired with UAB and 1-2 others (say UTSA and Georgia St), you'd have a good combination of current/previous football and basketball success along with large upside teams as well in big markets. App St in many ways is where ECU was in C-USA they're fan base just isn't quite as large yet but with victories over local and regional P5s and even a Top 25 finish, they definitely warrant some serious consideration.

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And everyone hates on ECU because our only draw was the records that we brought in. Once those went away, so did our value to the conference apparently.


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My post wasn't a knock on ECU, quite the opposite. Was just saying that App St is following the same trajectory that ECU was in growing their program. I also think App St and ECU are pure natural rivals for one another. Maybe I'm wrong but that turnout in Charlotte this yr was pretty good (wasn't it a weeknight too). Eastern and Western NC collide both with large fanbases. Personally I think App St and ECU are likely to be better rivals than ECU and ODU. If ECU can get back to their strong C-USA and early AAC days they will be a force to be reckoned with.

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I was more saying that, in searching for new members, ECU(at least among fans on message boards) is currently thought of as a mistake. Without a good market, a team that is only brought in based on performance can have its value drop like a rock in a pond with a string of bad seasons.

Didn’t think you were knocking ECU. I was drawing a parallel because we were where you are now.


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(09-26-2021 09:15 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 12:46 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(09-25-2021 08:21 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(09-25-2021 04:42 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  FB record from 2015-2020

34-37

Appalachian State has 63 wins in that same time period and theyre not mentioned much either.

Because everyone sees App and screams "small market" or "they've hit their ceiling"

They have a brand that is larger than many schools added and they have a good sized tan support too. If they can expand their stadium further and add AAC teams to the schedule they will easily bring 30k+ to their games. Honestly I've felt for awhile the AAC needs to include App St as one of the four replacements simply for their history of sustained success and they do fit well within the footprint. Paired with UAB and 1-2 others (say UTSA and Georgia St), you'd have a good combination of current/previous football and basketball success along with large upside teams as well in big markets. App St in many ways is where ECU was in C-USA they're fan base just isn't quite as large yet but with victories over local and regional P5s and even a Top 25 finish, they definitely warrant some serious consideration.

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And everyone hates on ECU because our only draw was the records that we brought in. Once those went away, so did our value to the conference apparently.


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I mean, that’s true for every team. It’s not exclusively an ECU problem.

(09-26-2021 12:46 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(09-25-2021 08:21 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(09-25-2021 04:42 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  FB record from 2015-2020

34-37

Appalachian State has 63 wins in that same time period and theyre not mentioned much either.

Because everyone sees App and screams "small market" or "they've hit their ceiling"

They have a brand that is larger than many schools added and they have a good sized tan support too. If they can expand their stadium further and add AAC teams to the schedule they will easily bring 30k+ to their games. Honestly I've felt for awhile the AAC needs to include App St as one of the four replacements simply for their history of sustained success and they do fit well within the footprint. Paired with UAB and 1-2 others (say UTSA and Georgia St), you'd have a good combination of current/previous football and basketball success along with large upside teams as well in big markets. App St in many ways is where ECU was in C-USA they're fan base just isn't quite as large yet but with victories over local and regional P5s and even a Top 25 finish, they definitely warrant some serious consideration.

App State would be a spectacular add for the conference!

They might be invited to join as a FB-only member, such as one of the strongest A10 basketball schools. The only thing as good for the conference as such a combo would be adding SDSU - - but SDSU is so far away.

Crucially, they've proven the ability to maintain their success even after going through coaching transitions.

(09-26-2021 11:43 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 12:46 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(09-25-2021 08:21 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(09-25-2021 04:42 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  FB record from 2015-2020

34-37

Appalachian State has 63 wins in that same time period and theyre not mentioned much either.

Because everyone sees App and screams "small market" or "they've hit their ceiling"

They have a brand that is larger than many schools added and they have a good sized tan support too. If they can expand their stadium further and add AAC teams to the schedule they will easily bring 30k+ to their games. Honestly I've felt for awhile the AAC needs to include App St as one of the four replacements simply for their history of sustained success and they do fit well within the footprint. Paired with UAB and 1-2 others (say UTSA and Georgia St), you'd have a good combination of current/previous football and basketball success along with large upside teams as well in big markets. App St in many ways is where ECU was in C-USA they're fan base just isn't quite as large yet but with victories over local and regional P5s and even a Top 25 finish, they definitely warrant some serious consideration.

App State would be a spectacular add for the conference!

They might be invited to join as a FB-only member, such as one of the strongest A10 basketball schools. The only thing as good for the conference as such a combo would be adding SDSU - - but SDSU is so far away.

Crucially, they've proven the ability to maintain their success even after going through coaching transitions.

I love Appy St. they’re the replica of ECU of 3 decades ago. They have actual fans unlike the rest of the AAC, who have small stadiums and no local crowds.

(09-27-2021 12:05 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 11:43 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 12:46 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(09-25-2021 08:21 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(09-25-2021 04:42 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  FB record from 2015-2020

34-37

Appalachian State has 63 wins in that same time period and theyre not mentioned much either.

Because everyone sees App and screams "small market" or "they've hit their ceiling"

They have a brand that is larger than many schools added and they have a good sized tan support too. If they can expand their stadium further and add AAC teams to the schedule they will easily bring 30k+ to their games. Honestly I've felt for awhile the AAC needs to include App St as one of the four replacements simply for their history of sustained success and they do fit well within the footprint. Paired with UAB and 1-2 others (say UTSA and Georgia St), you'd have a good combination of current/previous football and basketball success along with large upside teams as well in big markets. App St in many ways is where ECU was in C-USA they're fan base just isn't quite as large yet but with victories over local and regional P5s and even a Top 25 finish, they definitely warrant some serious consideration.

App State would be a spectacular add for the conference!

They might be invited to join as a FB-only member, such as one of the strongest A10 basketball schools. The only thing as good for the conference as such a combo would be adding SDSU - - but SDSU is so far away.

Crucially, they've proven the ability to maintain their success even after going through coaching transitions.

I love Appy St. they’re the replica of ECU of 3 decades ago. They have actual fans unlike the rest of the AAC, who have small stadiums and no local crowds.

Wait until you hear about our indoor plumbing. Change is hard, but we are embracing it in Boone.

(09-24-2021 10:58 AM)bigredmachine Wrote:  NIU exposes the AAC in Chicago.

"Chicago" is doing a lot of work here. The Metra stops in Elburn.

(09-27-2021 12:32 AM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 12:05 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 11:43 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 12:46 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(09-25-2021 08:21 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  Because everyone sees App and screams "small market" or "they've hit their ceiling"

They have a brand that is larger than many schools added and they have a good sized tan support too. If they can expand their stadium further and add AAC teams to the schedule they will easily bring 30k+ to their games. Honestly I've felt for awhile the AAC needs to include App St as one of the four replacements simply for their history of sustained success and they do fit well within the footprint. Paired with UAB and 1-2 others (say UTSA and Georgia St), you'd have a good combination of current/previous football and basketball success along with large upside teams as well in big markets. App St in many ways is where ECU was in C-USA they're fan base just isn't quite as large yet but with victories over local and regional P5s and even a Top 25 finish, they definitely warrant some serious consideration.

App State would be a spectacular add for the conference!

They might be invited to join as a FB-only member, such as one of the strongest A10 basketball schools. The only thing as good for the conference as such a combo would be adding SDSU - - but SDSU is so far away.

Crucially, they've proven the ability to maintain their success even after going through coaching transitions.

I love Appy St. they’re the replica of ECU of 3 decades ago. They have actual fans unlike the rest of the AAC, who have small stadiums and no local crowds.

Wait until you hear about our indoor plumbing. Change is hard, but we are embracing it in Boone.

While indoor plumbing is available in Boone, it isn't used much, yet.

(09-27-2021 12:32 AM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 12:05 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 11:43 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 12:46 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(09-25-2021 08:21 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  Because everyone sees App and screams "small market" or "they've hit their ceiling"

They have a brand that is larger than many schools added and they have a good sized tan support too. If they can expand their stadium further and add AAC teams to the schedule they will easily bring 30k+ to their games. Honestly I've felt for awhile the AAC needs to include App St as one of the four replacements simply for their history of sustained success and they do fit well within the footprint. Paired with UAB and 1-2 others (say UTSA and Georgia St), you'd have a good combination of current/previous football and basketball success along with large upside teams as well in big markets. App St in many ways is where ECU was in C-USA they're fan base just isn't quite as large yet but with victories over local and regional P5s and even a Top 25 finish, they definitely warrant some serious consideration.

App State would be a spectacular add for the conference!

They might be invited to join as a FB-only member, such as one of the strongest A10 basketball schools. The only thing as good for the conference as such a combo would be adding SDSU - - but SDSU is so far away.

Crucially, they've proven the ability to maintain their success even after going through coaching transitions.

I love Appy St. they’re the replica of ECU of 3 decades ago. They have actual fans unlike the rest of the AAC, who have small stadiums and no local crowds.

Wait until you hear about our indoor plumbing. Change is hard, but we are embracing it in Boone.

Lol Boone coming along.


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(09-26-2021 07:35 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 09:15 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 12:46 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(09-25-2021 08:21 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(09-25-2021 04:42 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  FB record from 2015-2020

34-37

Appalachian State has 63 wins in that same time period and theyre not mentioned much either.

Because everyone sees App and screams "small market" or "they've hit their ceiling"

They have a brand that is larger than many schools added and they have a good sized tan support too. If they can expand their stadium further and add AAC teams to the schedule they will easily bring 30k+ to their games. Honestly I've felt for awhile the AAC needs to include App St as one of the four replacements simply for their history of sustained success and they do fit well within the footprint. Paired with UAB and 1-2 others (say UTSA and Georgia St), you'd have a good combination of current/previous football and basketball success along with large upside teams as well in big markets. App St in many ways is where ECU was in C-USA they're fan base just isn't quite as large yet but with victories over local and regional P5s and even a Top 25 finish, they definitely warrant some serious consideration.

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And everyone hates on ECU because our only draw was the records that we brought in. Once those went away, so did our value to the conference apparently.


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I mean, that’s true for every team. It’s not exclusively an ECU problem.

I agree, but we’re the best example in the AAC (which is the topic of discussion) of what happens when you move up and struggle in a small market.


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PS: ECU’s stadium after 6 losing seasons, but now a tenuous 2-2 record.

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(09-25-2021 02:37 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Interesting comment that is worth examining from Alabama dot com.
https://www.al.com/sports/2021/09/aac-in...c-usa.html

Quote:Behind the scenes something is going on. An AAC official who didn’t want to be named told al.com he thinks it is only a matter of time before the league brushes off its shiny new member roster and UAB could be one of those. But, and this was interesting coming from him, he’s concerned a couple of key people at UAB do not grasp how big this move would be for the school. That its medical reputation might lose some shine nationally which, if you know anything about UAB, is selfish and stupid. But UAB, behind the scenes, has someone with realignment and television market ties helping to navigate this train so maybe it’s no big deal.

The writer added that bit about "selfish and stupid" because he values football more than the medical school or the school in general. But the comment from the AAC official is almost certainly referring to the school President Ray Watts, many board members, especially for the Medical school, and UA chancellor Finis St. John IV.

What I think the AAC official is suggesting is that the powers that be are not willing to up the budget to AAC levels, as the per student subsidy is already one of the highest in FBS at $2,250 per student, almost double the average of AAC members. It's pretty maxed out for a school with only 4,000 male undergrads, and a 61% female enrollment. It's kind of hard to see where the additional $10-12m a year is going to come from.

This could well be the hang up with UAB. It's not on the American side, but the school side.

Wasn’t a condition of reinstatement that non-fee transfers from university be capped at current levels?

(09-29-2021 01:24 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(09-25-2021 02:37 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Interesting comment that is worth examining from Alabama dot com.
https://www.al.com/sports/2021/09/aac-in...c-usa.html

Quote:Behind the scenes something is going on. An AAC official who didn’t want to be named told al.com he thinks it is only a matter of time before the league brushes off its shiny new member roster and UAB could be one of those. But, and this was interesting coming from him, he’s concerned a couple of key people at UAB do not grasp how big this move would be for the school. That its medical reputation might lose some shine nationally which, if you know anything about UAB, is selfish and stupid. But UAB, behind the scenes, has someone with realignment and television market ties helping to navigate this train so maybe it’s no big deal.

The writer added that bit about "selfish and stupid" because he values football more than the medical school or the school in general. But the comment from the AAC official is almost certainly referring to the school President Ray Watts, many board members, especially for the Medical school, and UA chancellor Finis St. John IV.

What I think the AAC official is suggesting is that the powers that be are not willing to up the budget to AAC levels, as the per student subsidy is already one of the highest in FBS at $2,250 per student, almost double the average of AAC members. It's pretty maxed out for a school with only 4,000 male undergrads, and a 61% female enrollment. It's kind of hard to see where the additional $10-12m a year is going to come from.

This could well be the hang up with UAB. It's not on the American side, but the school side.

Wasn’t a condition of reinstatement that non-fee transfers from university be capped at current levels?

Bingo, that was the deal. I'm not even sure if the athletic department can work out a loan from the school to cover the transition period, when the distributions will be withheld. There is some frustration there.

This is not what the American wants, they'd prefer to announce all the schools joining at once. But it's starting to look like Missouri's move to the SEC which dragged on for a few weeks more than anyone wanted.