(09-17-2021 03:36 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 10:12 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 09:58 AM)49ShadesOfGreen Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 12:24 AM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  Has anyone vetted ANY of these numbers? Where did this guy off of herdfans get this info?

I have questioned the hype that the Sun Belt all the sudden had way more money than CUSA. Historically.. Like before last year CUSA budgets tended to be about 10 million more with a better (money) TV contract.

Yeah. Looks to me like SBC had their little run in football and made more in one category (CFP Payout).... they have twisted that narrative to claim they make more over all. It’s not even close.... CUSA is still their daddy until proven otherwise.

Question is, which SBC teams are we going to poach if we lose teams, or do we go after Liberty and JMU?

Louisiana, Appalachian state, Georgia State, Georgia Southern

Agreed. Adding the top teams from Sun Belt to CUSA looks better overall as opposed to the other way around.

Until proven otherwise, teams leave the SB for CUSA.

(09-17-2021 09:24 AM)raptorbpw Wrote:  Some more numbers that may help: Southern Miss received around $1.3 million from CUSA in 2019.

I guess you missed the other conference pay outs....

ConferenceDistributions of BowlGenerated Revenue$495,562

ConferenceDistributions (NonMedia and Non Bowl)$447,399

NCAA Distributions$1,309,835

(09-17-2021 03:25 PM)Flat Tire 2 Wrote:  I would think if the SBC payout doubled to $1 million the SBC Commissioner would be talking about it. No reason not to talk about it to the media. I am starting to wonder what are the details of their new deal. Maybe ESPN is making SBC pay production costs? I think the SBC is the only conference not discussing their ESPN deal, I wonder why?

Conferences don’t give specifics on their deals. Those usually come from interested media sources…SBJ and the like. ESPN+ includes production costs, but they aren’t as large as some make them out to be.

(09-17-2021 04:38 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 09:24 AM)raptorbpw Wrote:  Some more numbers that may help: Southern Miss received around $1.3 million from CUSA in 2019.

I guess you missed the other conference pay outs....

ConferenceDistributions of BowlGenerated Revenue$495,562

ConferenceDistributions (NonMedia and Non Bowl)$447,399

NCAA Distributions$1,309,835

Somebody saying somthing? I'm having a stroke again.

(09-17-2021 04:41 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 03:25 PM)Flat Tire 2 Wrote:  I would think if the SBC payout doubled to $1 million the SBC Commissioner would be talking about it. No reason not to talk about it to the media. I am starting to wonder what are the details of their new deal. Maybe ESPN is making SBC pay production costs? I think the SBC is the only conference not discussing their ESPN deal, I wonder why?

Conferences don’t give specifics on their deals. Those usually come from interested media sources…SBJ and the like. ESPN+ includes production costs, but they aren’t as large as some make them out to be.

True, but ESPN let be know that their contract was an increase over the $1 million per school of the previous contract. The devil is always in the details so you never know what is the true worth.

'The Mid-American Conference and ESPN have agreed to a new 13-year media rights deal through 2026-27.

The new deal between the MAC and ESPN rewrites the current eight-year deal, which was set to expire in 2017. A source said the new deal is worth more than the old deal, which paid the MAC about a $1 million a year."
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/stor...ights-deal

(09-17-2021 04:47 PM)raptorbpw Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 04:38 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 09:24 AM)raptorbpw Wrote:  Some more numbers that may help: Southern Miss received around $1.3 million from CUSA in 2019.

I guess you missed the other conference pay outs....

ConferenceDistributions of BowlGenerated Revenue$495,562

ConferenceDistributions (NonMedia and Non Bowl)$447,399

NCAA Distributions$1,309,835

Somebody saying somthing? I'm having a stroke again.

I'm sure you have and affected your eye sight.

adds up to $2,252,796


I overlooked this one and that brings it up to $2,650,963
Media Rights$398,167


Do you remember when I posted this yesterday? I'm correct way more than I am wrong because I just dont guess or go off my feelings. Look there I'm correct once again. Before long you will once again go back to LURKING

(09-17-2021 04:49 PM)Flat Tire 2 Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 04:41 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 03:25 PM)Flat Tire 2 Wrote:  I would think if the SBC payout doubled to $1 million the SBC Commissioner would be talking about it. No reason not to talk about it to the media. I am starting to wonder what are the details of their new deal. Maybe ESPN is making SBC pay production costs? I think the SBC is the only conference not discussing their ESPN deal, I wonder why?

Conferences don’t give specifics on their deals. Those usually come from interested media sources…SBJ and the like. ESPN+ includes production costs, but they aren’t as large as some make them out to be.

True, but ESPN let be know that their contract was an increase over the $1 million per school of the previous contract. The devil is always in the details so you never know what is the true worth.

'The Mid-American Conference and ESPN have agreed to a new 13-year media rights deal through 2026-27.

The new deal between the MAC and ESPN rewrites the current eight-year deal, which was set to expire in 2017. A source said the new deal is worth more than the old deal, which paid the MAC about a $1 million a year."
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/stor...ights-deal

McMurphy wrote that when he was still with ESPN and covers a lot of these deals. I don’t know why he hasn’t tried to get info on the SBC contract…maybe hasn’t gotten to it with everything else going on? I don’t recall national writers commenting on CUSA’s prior deals either though, but could have missed it.

(09-17-2021 04:52 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 04:47 PM)raptorbpw Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 04:38 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 09:24 AM)raptorbpw Wrote:  Some more numbers that may help: Southern Miss received around $1.3 million from CUSA in 2019.

I guess you missed the other conference pay outs....

ConferenceDistributions of BowlGenerated Revenue$495,562

ConferenceDistributions (NonMedia and Non Bowl)$447,399

NCAA Distributions$1,309,835

Somebody saying somthing? I'm having a stroke again.

I'm sure you have and affected your eye sight.

adds up to $2,252,796


I overlooked this one and that brings it up to $2,650,963
Media Rights$398,167


Do you remember when I posted this yesterday? I'm correct way more than I am wrong because I just dont guess or go off my feelings. Look there I'm correct once again. Before long you will once again go back to LURKING

That's total NCAA distributions. It's not what was being discussed before you interjected.

Go back to trying to do the math on our old Nebraska contracts.

Thank God for the ignore button.

(09-17-2021 04:32 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 03:36 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 10:12 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 09:58 AM)49ShadesOfGreen Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 12:24 AM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  Has anyone vetted ANY of these numbers? Where did this guy off of herdfans get this info?

I have questioned the hype that the Sun Belt all the sudden had way more money than CUSA. Historically.. Like before last year CUSA budgets tended to be about 10 million more with a better (money) TV contract.

Yeah. Looks to me like SBC had their little run in football and made more in one category (CFP Payout).... they have twisted that narrative to claim they make more over all. It’s not even close.... CUSA is still their daddy until proven otherwise.

Question is, which SBC teams are we going to poach if we lose teams, or do we go after Liberty and JMU?

Louisiana, Appalachian state, Georgia State, Georgia Southern

Agreed. Adding the top teams from Sun Belt to CUSA looks better overall as opposed to the other way around.

Until proven otherwise, teams leave the SB for CUSA.

Until we get some real leadership and a new media deal I don't see anyone from the SB moving over.

Just a friendly bump to remind everyone of exactly why NO ONE is leaving CUSA for the SBC. Another post from this amazing poster on our board.

Quote:In 2020, CUSA reported total TV/media revenue of $6,440,156. That averages out to about $460,011 per school. In 2020, the SunBelt reported total TV/media revenue of $2,250,000. That averages out to about $225,000 per school.

How much TV/media revenue may be increasing for the SunBelt in 2022 as a result of its contract extension with ESPN is unknown, but it almost certainly will not amount to $1.3 million per school.

The max cash payout (including TV/media revenue, football bowl and playoff revenue, NCAA basketball revenue, etc.) by CUSA to a single school in 2020 was $2,739,105 to Marshall. The max cash payout (including TV/media revenue, football bowl and playoff revenue, NCAA basketball revenue, etc.) by the SunBelt to a single school in 2020 was $1,386,608 to Georgia State.

The latter number was likely the source of the $1.3 million per school number from the SunBelt, except that it represents all forms of conference revenue, not just TV/media rights.

Does anyone really think ESPN is giving SBC a 6x increase in payment for a few more games. The numbers are undisclosed for a reason, we all know the SBC would me all over the media sharing those numbers if they were true.

Even if ESPN doubles their previous contract they would make $90k more than us and have to play on Tues/Weds nights....plus we don't know if production costs are included etc.

Which CUSA school is going to pay entrance/exit fees to join a conference to make less money?

I’m not sure you understand the term “no one”.

USM appears to be packing their bags.

(09-30-2021 08:31 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I’m not sure you understand the term “no one”.

USM appears to be packing their bags.

Yeah sure....according to SBC posters and sources.

If they want to pay us millions of dollars to go make less money then that's fine I suppose. We can just invite JMU or Liberty and be just fine if not better.

What are you willing to bet at least one CUSA member announces they’ll join the SBC before 12/31? I’ll wager one month of no posting here starting 1/1 if you’re correct, and you can’t post on the SBC board for a month after the announcement if I’m right.

(09-30-2021 09:04 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  What are you willing to bet at least one CUSA member announces they’ll join the SBC before 12/31? I’ll wager one month of no posting here starting 1/1 if you’re correct, and you can’t post on the SBC board for a month after the announcement if I’m right.

I've said I have no idea what So Miss will do and don't pretend to know what they will do. From an objective perspective, it wouldn't make sense or cents for them to move, but they might as it's a good geographical fit for them.

As for Marshall, we aren't leaving CUSA East to join the current Sun Belt. The only chance would be if SBC went to 14 and brought in Marshall/WKU/So Miss and either ODU/Charlotte/FAU but that's not going to happen, and I'm still not sure if we would go or not.

As for thinking the SBC is better, if you are better then why isn't the AAC poaching from the SBC instead of CUSA? The pecking order still exists...until it doesnt.

(09-16-2021 09:34 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 08:33 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Here is my conclusion after reading over these numbers.....no one from CUSA will be paying $5-6 million exit fees to make substantially less money in the SBC. If anything, the CUSA will be raiding the SBC if we happen to lose teams during this re-alignment period.

Good stuff, thanks for sharing. We know that 12 Belt schools have come to CUSA, but no CUSA school has ever gone to the Belt. Math is real.

CUSA had 4 (?) ranked baseball teams this year, and 5 (?) ranked soccer teams. That isn't happening in the Belt.

CUSA still has potential if schools do not panic.

And a couple ranked volleyball teams right?

(09-30-2021 09:56 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 09:34 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 08:33 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Here is my conclusion after reading over these numbers.....no one from CUSA will be paying $5-6 million exit fees to make substantially less money in the SBC. If anything, the CUSA will be raiding the SBC if we happen to lose teams during this re-alignment period.

Good stuff, thanks for sharing. We know that 12 Belt schools have come to CUSA, but no CUSA school has ever gone to the Belt. Math is real.

CUSA had 4 (?) ranked baseball teams this year, and 5 (?) ranked soccer teams. That isn't happening in the Belt.

CUSA still has potential if schools do not panic.

And a couple ranked volleyball teams right?

I believe so.....top to bottom, all sports, CUSA is WAY ahead of the SBC. It's not even close.

There's no doubt CUSA is by far the better conference. Yes, the SBC had a good year or two in football. These things are cyclical but as far as overall Conference strength, there's no comparison. There's a reason there are NO SBC teams on any conference's list to raid.

(09-30-2021 10:11 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  There's no doubt CUSA is by far the better conference. Yes, the SBC had a good year or two in football. These things are cyclical but as far as overall Conference strength, there's no comparison. There's a reason there are NO SBC teams on any conference's list to raid.

EXACTLY...if anyone thinks the SBC is actually better then ask why none of them are rumored to be poached by the AAC or MWC.

It won't surprise me a bit if we end up poaching them again if we need to or want to.

(09-30-2021 08:46 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 08:31 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I’m not sure you understand the term “no one”.

USM appears to be packing their bags.

Yeah sure....according to SBC posters and sources.

If they want to pay us millions of dollars to go make less money then that's fine I suppose. We can just invite JMU or Liberty and be just fine if not better.

I'll take what BoP says about our TV money over what's in the OP because he's in a position to know.

And I'll take his word it's CUSA members in talks with the Sun Belt, not the other way around.