(11-08-2021 05:05 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(11-07-2021 10:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 03:58 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 02:11 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 01:20 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Would VT turn down a B1G invitation though, given the stability & money difference? Although Virginia politics played a huge role in getting them into the ACC and it might also prevent them from leaving UVA behind in a less advantageous situation.

I'm thinking yes, due to Virginia politics. UVa cannot be left behind. I'm thinking UNC could veto NC State if they wanted to. Just depends on which conference they want more: B1G or SEC?? If NC State wanted to be more independent of UNC, IMO, they should withdraw from the UNC System altogether and form their own system. But....that might require Mafia help... ...

I expect you're right, not sure they'd be required to stay together but can't see the Commonwealth letting Tech leave UVA behind in an inferior position. I'm not sure Tech is really looking for that separation from UVA either, I know much less about NC schools & politics but somehow NC State seems more likely to want a move like A&M did wanting to separate their brand from Texas.

Actually what their president said at the time is that they wanted to separate their brand from Texas Tech, Houston and the like.

And if you're UNC you don't want NC State moving to the SEC or Big Ten and separating themselves in a positive way like Texas A&M was able to over Texas. Do you think it's a coincidence UT chose the SEC over the Big Ten and Pac 12? Carolina certainly wants to be the top dog in the state and if they have say they'll make sure they stay that way.

I've been big on in state rivalries but not as big on UNC/NC State because I've felt like UNC/Duke has been the bigger rivalry because of Coach K. I remember seeing the 1983 national championship game (I was really young) but I don't remember those games. I've said many times I want to see Florida and Florida State in the same conference and Penn State and Pittsburgh in the same conference. If North Carolina and NC State separate, I wouldn't shed a tear. I feel UNC is an ideal Big Ten member academically and as long as their men's basketball continues to perform at a high level great for the B1G and would open up the Big Ten to the Southeast. I don't see NC State as the same, not as good in academics or men's basketball. But I also do like the ACC and want to see them stay intact.

Well the UT president wasn't going to fly the women's softball team all over the midwest (that was a quote). The sports match was poor with the Big 10. The Pac 12 didn't pay enough. And the SEC paid plenty and offered renewed rivalries.

(11-08-2021 05:05 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(11-07-2021 10:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 03:58 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 02:11 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 01:20 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Would VT turn down a B1G invitation though, given the stability & money difference? Although Virginia politics played a huge role in getting them into the ACC and it might also prevent them from leaving UVA behind in a less advantageous situation.

I'm thinking yes, due to Virginia politics. UVa cannot be left behind. I'm thinking UNC could veto NC State if they wanted to. Just depends on which conference they want more: B1G or SEC?? If NC State wanted to be more independent of UNC, IMO, they should withdraw from the UNC System altogether and form their own system. But....that might require Mafia help... ...

I expect you're right, not sure they'd be required to stay together but can't see the Commonwealth letting Tech leave UVA behind in an inferior position. I'm not sure Tech is really looking for that separation from UVA either, I know much less about NC schools & politics but somehow NC State seems more likely to want a move like A&M did wanting to separate their brand from Texas.

Actually what their president said at the time is that they wanted to separate their brand from Texas Tech, Houston and the like.

And if you're UNC you don't want NC State moving to the SEC or Big Ten and separating themselves in a positive way like Texas A&M was able to over Texas. Do you think it's a coincidence UT chose the SEC over the Big Ten and Pac 12? Carolina certainly wants to be the top dog in the state and if they have say they'll make sure they stay that way.

I've been big on in state rivalries but not as big on UNC/NC State because I've felt like UNC/Duke has been the bigger rivalry because of Coach K. I remember seeing the 1983 national championship game (I was really young) but I don't remember those games. I've said many times I want to see Florida and Florida State in the same conference and Penn State and Pittsburgh in the same conference. If North Carolina and NC State separate, I wouldn't shed a tear. I feel UNC is an ideal Big Ten member academically and as long as their men's basketball continues to perform at a high level great for the B1G and would open up the Big Ten to the Southeast. I don't see NC State as the same, not as good in academics or men's basketball. But I also do like the ACC and want to see them stay intact.

Coach K........WTF
Duke and Carolina have had an intense rivalry long before coach K arrived in Durham and will continue long after K fades away.

I'm sure attendance was figured into your caste status but if you take all the schools with a capacity of 70,000 or more you get in order...

Michigan (107,601)
Penn State (106,572)
Ohio State (102,780)
Texas A&M (102,733)
Tennessee (102,455)
LSU (102,321)
Texas (100,119)
Alabama (100,077)
Georgia (92,746)
UCLA (90,888)
Florida (88,548)
Auburn (87,451)
Nebraska (85,458)
Clemson (81,500)
Wisconsin (80,321)
Oklahoma (80,126)
Florida State (79,560)
Notre Dame (77,622)
South Carolina (77,559)
USC (77,500)
Arkansas (76,212)
Michigan State (75,005)
Iowa (70,585)
Washington (70,083)

So they could be your "top tier" in college football.

If you do three divisions of eight,
Big Ten: Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Michigan State, Iowa
SEC/ACC: Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Auburn, Clemson, Florida State, South Carolina
Pac 12/SWC: Texas A&M, LSU, Texas, UCLA, Oklahoma, USC, Arkansas, Washington

7 games vs. division, 2 games vs. each other division, 1 game vs. another opponent (Oklahoma-Oklahoma State, Georgia-Georgia Tech, ...)

Eight team playoff, three divisional champions and five wild cards.

(11-14-2021 12:34 PM)schmolik Wrote:  I'm sure attendance was figured into your caste status but if you take all the schools with a capacity of 70,000 or more you get in order...

Michigan (107,601)
Penn State (106,572)
Ohio State (102,780)
Texas A&M (102,733)
Tennessee (102,455)
LSU (102,321)
Texas (100,119)
Alabama (100,077)
Georgia (92,746)
UCLA (90,888)
Florida (88,548)
Auburn (87,451)
Nebraska (85,458)
Clemson (81,500)
Wisconsin (80,321)
Oklahoma (80,126)
Florida State (79,560)
Notre Dame (77,622)
South Carolina (77,559)
USC (77,500)
Arkansas (76,212)
Michigan State (75,005)
Iowa (70,585)
Washington (70,083)

So they could be your "top tier" in college football.

If you do three divisions of eight,
Big Ten: Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Michigan State, Iowa
SEC/ACC: Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Auburn, Clemson, Florida State, South Carolina
Pac 12/SWC: Texas A&M, LSU, Texas, UCLA, Oklahoma, USC, Arkansas, Washington

7 games vs. division, 2 games vs. each other division, 1 game vs. another opponent (Oklahoma-Oklahoma State, Georgia-Georgia Tech, ...)

Eight team playoff, three divisional champions and five wild cards.

Football strength was the most important factor in determining a caste-system. I used three variables to determine football strength: 1) average home football attendance, 2) historic football performance (based on AP rankings since 1935) and 3) contemporary football performance (based on AP rankings since 1998).

The football-only sub-caste would be:
Kings: OSU, Ala & OU
Royalty: Mich, LSU, TX, UGA, PSU, ND, UF, USC & TN
Gentry: UNL, Aub, FSU, Clem, Wisc, TAM, MSU, Mia, Ore, VT, Iowa & Wash
Bourgeoisie: UCLA, Ark, SC, TCU, OM, Stan, WVU, KSt, Mizzou, OkSt, GT, BYU, MsSt, Lou, ASU, Bay, Utah, TTU, CO, MN, NCSt, Pitt, UK, UNC, MD, Pur, Cal, AZ, ISU, Ill, Syr, UCF, WSU, NW, BC, OrSt, Hou & UVa
Proletariat: Ind, Cincy, Rutg, Duke, KU, Vandy & Wake

If you were to form three divisions of the top tier football schools, then the Kings + Royalty + Gentry all make the cut. My preference of divisions:
B1G: OSU, Mich, TX*, PSU, UNL, Wisc, MSU & Iowa
SEC: Ala, OU, LSU, UGA, UF, TN, Aub & TAM
ACC/PAC: ND, USC, FSU, Clem, Mia, Ore, VT & Wash

* had to move UT-Austin from the SEC to the B1G to make the divisions at 8 each.