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RE: The Last Train to Clarksville
(11-23-2021 03:07 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 02:26 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 08:00 AM)XLance Wrote:  Well, I'll give it a quick run through.
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ACC needs: a little of everything

...
ACC
Boston College, Syracuse, Wake Forest, NC State, Clemson, Florida State
UCF, Virginia Tech, UVa, Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech
Miami, Tulane, Houston, Baylor, Cincinnati, West Virginia

Correct assessment of ACC need; utter failure to meet that need.


Quote:More logically we would break things down into 18, 18, 18, 15 and not have to elevate any other G level schools

...
ACC
UVa, Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Baylor, Houston
Boston College, Syracuse, Notre Dame, Cincinnati, Louisville, Miami
Wake Forest, NC State, Clemson, Florida State, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

Much, much better!

That said, the ACC would probably keep Pitt if possible. Since you showed Louisville in both the SEC and ACC, I assume you are still trying to get rid of the Cardinals? It might make the most sense to have WVU go to the SEC, but if UL did leave, WVU is the most logical replacement.

I should have taken my socks off so that I could count up to 18.

Keeping Louisville would be a positive for the ACC, but the SEC actually needs another true basketball power.
Louisville's spot in the ACC should have been listed as UCF.

Why are you so obsessed with the equal number of teams? Even in pro leagues, not all divisons have equal number of teams, right?
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RE: The Last Train to Clarksville
(11-23-2021 03:32 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 03:07 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 02:26 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 08:00 AM)XLance Wrote:  Well, I'll give it a quick run through.
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ACC needs: a little of everything

...
ACC
Boston College, Syracuse, Wake Forest, NC State, Clemson, Florida State
UCF, Virginia Tech, UVa, Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech
Miami, Tulane, Houston, Baylor, Cincinnati, West Virginia

Correct assessment of ACC need; utter failure to meet that need.


Quote:More logically we would break things down into 18, 18, 18, 15 and not have to elevate any other G level schools

...
ACC
UVa, Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Baylor, Houston
Boston College, Syracuse, Notre Dame, Cincinnati, Louisville, Miami
Wake Forest, NC State, Clemson, Florida State, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

Much, much better!

That said, the ACC would probably keep Pitt if possible. Since you showed Louisville in both the SEC and ACC, I assume you are still trying to get rid of the Cardinals? It might make the most sense to have WVU go to the SEC, but if UL did leave, WVU is the most logical replacement.

I should have taken my socks off so that I could count up to 18.

Keeping Louisville would be a positive for the ACC, but the SEC actually needs another true basketball power.
Louisville's spot in the ACC should have been listed as UCF.

Why are you so obsessed with the equal number of teams? Even in pro leagues, not all divisons have equal number of teams, right?

What?

Every one of the big 4 American sports has equal divisions and conferences.

It's not that far of a leap to assume that if college football was to break away they would mimic what the other major sports leagues have done.
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RE: The Last Train to Clarksville
(11-23-2021 04:51 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 03:32 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 03:07 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 02:26 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 08:00 AM)XLance Wrote:  Well, I'll give it a quick run through.
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ACC needs: a little of everything

...
ACC
Boston College, Syracuse, Wake Forest, NC State, Clemson, Florida State
UCF, Virginia Tech, UVa, Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech
Miami, Tulane, Houston, Baylor, Cincinnati, West Virginia

Correct assessment of ACC need; utter failure to meet that need.


Quote:More logically we would break things down into 18, 18, 18, 15 and not have to elevate any other G level schools

...
ACC
UVa, Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Baylor, Houston
Boston College, Syracuse, Notre Dame, Cincinnati, Louisville, Miami
Wake Forest, NC State, Clemson, Florida State, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

Much, much better!

That said, the ACC would probably keep Pitt if possible. Since you showed Louisville in both the SEC and ACC, I assume you are still trying to get rid of the Cardinals? It might make the most sense to have WVU go to the SEC, but if UL did leave, WVU is the most logical replacement.

I should have taken my socks off so that I could count up to 18.

Keeping Louisville would be a positive for the ACC, but the SEC actually needs another true basketball power.
Louisville's spot in the ACC should have been listed as UCF.

Why are you so obsessed with the equal number of teams? Even in pro leagues, not all divisons have equal number of teams, right?

What?

Every one of the big 4 American sports has equal divisions and conferences.

It's not that far of a leap to assume that if college football was to break away they would mimic what the other major sports leagues have done.

But it is always like that? I thought some of MLB divisons had different number of teams. Maybe I was mistaken...
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RE: The Last Train to Clarksville
Geography Plan
(15, 18, 18, 18)

SEC
Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas
LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Vanderbilt
Kentucky, Tennessee, Auburn, Georgia, Florida

PAC
Washington, WSU, Oregon, OSU, BYU, Utah
Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Arizona, ASU
Colorado, Houston, Baylor, TCU, TT, KSU

B1G
Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa State
Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Purdue, Notre Dame, Michigan
Michigan State, Ohio State, Indiana, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers

ACC
BC, Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Louisville
UVa, Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, UCF
Wake Forest, NC State, Clemson, South Carolina, FSU, Miami
11-24-2021 06:28 AM
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RE: The Last Train to Clarksville
(11-24-2021 06:28 AM)XLance Wrote:  Geography Plan
(15, 18, 18, 18)

SEC
Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas
LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Vanderbilt
Kentucky, Tennessee, Auburn, Georgia, Florida

PAC
Washington, WSU, Oregon, OSU, BYU, Utah
Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Arizona, ASU
Colorado, Houston, Baylor, TCU, TT, KSU

B1G
Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa State
Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Purdue, Notre Dame, Michigan
Michigan State, Ohio State, Indiana, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers

ACC
BC, Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Louisville
UVa, Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, UCF
Wake Forest, NC State, Clemson, South Carolina, FSU, Miami

Not bad. The ACC and PAC 12 could probably get away with just 15 though.
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RE: The Last Train to Clarksville
(11-24-2021 10:36 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 06:28 AM)XLance Wrote:  Geography Plan
(15, 18, 18, 18)

SEC
Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas
LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Vanderbilt
Kentucky, Tennessee, Auburn, Georgia, Florida

PAC
Washington, WSU, Oregon, OSU, BYU, Utah
Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Arizona, ASU
Colorado, Houston, Baylor, TCU, TT, KSU

B1G
Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa State
Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Purdue, Notre Dame, Michigan
Michigan State, Ohio State, Indiana, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers

ACC
BC, Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Louisville
UVa, Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, UCF
Wake Forest, NC State, Clemson, South Carolina, FSU, Miami

Not bad. The ACC and PAC 12 could probably get away with just 15 though.
This is not how the money works in reality. The B1G and SEC would expand differently and the ACC is financially the weakest on the East Coast.

Here are the pre-conditions:
1. There is a breakaway and hoops are monetized more profitably.
2. We move into 4 conferences with a 4 team champs only playoff for the CFP.
3. Conferences hold semis with 3 divisional champs and the best at large. So the PAC's motivation to expand is a larger market and semifinal money.


B1G:

Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue

Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Virginia


SEC:

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Duke, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina


PAC 12:

California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, Cal Los Angeles, Colorado, Southern Cal, Utah

Brigham Young, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, T.C.U., Texas Tech


ACC:

Boston College, Cincinnati, Louisville, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Memphis, N.C. State, Wake Forest

Baylor, Central Florida, Houston, Miami, South Florida, Tulane
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RE: The Last Train to Clarksville
The times are changing.

https://thespun.com/college-football/iro...ll-rivalry
https://www.wxyz.com/sports/top-college-...-red-river

42 writers and broadcasters were polled to list their top 5 football rivalry games, this is the result of their poll:


Alabama – Auburn
Michigan – Ohio State
Army – Navy
Oklahoma – Texas
Florida – Georgia
Ole Miss – Mississippi State
Notre Dame – USC
Florida State – Miami
BYU-Utah
Michigan-Michigan State


Alabama-LSU
Florida-Florida State
Harvard-Yale
Lehigh-Lafayette
Minnesota-Wisconsin
Pitt-West Virginia
Amherst-Williams
Cal-Stanford
Clemson-South Carolina
Oregon-Washington


Some that were not mentioned:
Georgia-Georgia Tech
Kentucky-Louisville
Texas-Texas A&M

Teams not mentioned:
Nebraska
Tennessee
Penn State
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RE: The Last Train to Clarksville
(11-25-2021 06:33 AM)XLance Wrote:  The times are changing.

https://thespun.com/college-football/iro...ll-rivalry
https://www.wxyz.com/sports/top-college-...-red-river

42 writers and broadcasters were polled to list their top 5 football rivalry games, this is the result of their poll:


Alabama – Auburn
Michigan – Ohio State
Army – Navy
Oklahoma – Texas
Florida – Georgia
Ole Miss – Mississippi State
Notre Dame – USC
Florida State – Miami
BYU-Utah
Michigan-Michigan State


Alabama-LSU
Florida-Florida State
Harvard-Yale
Lehigh-Lafayette
Minnesota-Wisconsin
Pitt-West Virginia
Amherst-Williams
Cal-Stanford
Clemson-South Carolina
Oregon-Washington


Some that were not mentioned:
Georgia-Georgia Tech
Kentucky-Louisville
Texas-Texas A&M

Teams not mentioned:
Nebraska
Tennessee
Penn State

Penn State arrogantly refuse to play their actual rivals.

Nebraska and Tennessee have been so bad for so long that their rivalries are dead.
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RE: The Last Train to Clarksville
(11-25-2021 01:28 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-25-2021 06:33 AM)XLance Wrote:  The times are changing.

https://thespun.com/college-football/iro...ll-rivalry
https://www.wxyz.com/sports/top-college-...-red-river

42 writers and broadcasters were polled to list their top 5 football rivalry games, this is the result of their poll:


Alabama – Auburn
Michigan – Ohio State
Army – Navy
Oklahoma – Texas
Florida – Georgia
Ole Miss – Mississippi State
Notre Dame – USC
Florida State – Miami
BYU-Utah
Michigan-Michigan State


Alabama-LSU
Florida-Florida State
Harvard-Yale
Lehigh-Lafayette
Minnesota-Wisconsin
Pitt-West Virginia
Amherst-Williams
Cal-Stanford
Clemson-South Carolina
Oregon-Washington


Some that were not mentioned:
Georgia-Georgia Tech
Kentucky-Louisville
Texas-Texas A&M

Teams not mentioned:
Nebraska
Tennessee
Penn State

Penn State arrogantly refuse to play their actual rivals.

Nebraska and Tennessee have been so bad for so long that their rivalries are dead.

Where is VT - Virginia???
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RE: The Last Train to Clarksville
(11-25-2021 03:02 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  
(11-25-2021 01:28 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-25-2021 06:33 AM)XLance Wrote:  The times are changing.

https://thespun.com/college-football/iro...ll-rivalry
https://www.wxyz.com/sports/top-college-...-red-river

42 writers and broadcasters were polled to list their top 5 football rivalry games, this is the result of their poll:


Alabama – Auburn
Michigan – Ohio State
Army – Navy
Oklahoma – Texas
Florida – Georgia
Ole Miss – Mississippi State
Notre Dame – USC
Florida State – Miami
BYU-Utah
Michigan-Michigan State


Alabama-LSU
Florida-Florida State
Harvard-Yale
Lehigh-Lafayette
Minnesota-Wisconsin
Pitt-West Virginia
Amherst-Williams
Cal-Stanford
Clemson-South Carolina
Oregon-Washington


Some that were not mentioned:
Georgia-Georgia Tech
Kentucky-Louisville
Texas-Texas A&M

Teams not mentioned:
Nebraska
Tennessee
Penn State

Penn State arrogantly refuse to play their actual rivals.

Nebraska and Tennessee have been so bad for so long that their rivalries are dead.

Where is VT - Virginia???

same place as Alabama - Tennessee?
(although VT-UVa actually may be returning)
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RE: The Last Train to Clarksville
(11-25-2021 03:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-25-2021 03:02 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  
(11-25-2021 01:28 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-25-2021 06:33 AM)XLance Wrote:  The times are changing.

https://thespun.com/college-football/iro...ll-rivalry
https://www.wxyz.com/sports/top-college-...-red-river

42 writers and broadcasters were polled to list their top 5 football rivalry games, this is the result of their poll:


Alabama – Auburn
Michigan – Ohio State
Army – Navy
Oklahoma – Texas
Florida – Georgia
Ole Miss – Mississippi State
Notre Dame – USC
Florida State – Miami
BYU-Utah
Michigan-Michigan State


Alabama-LSU
Florida-Florida State
Harvard-Yale
Lehigh-Lafayette
Minnesota-Wisconsin
Pitt-West Virginia
Amherst-Williams
Cal-Stanford
Clemson-South Carolina
Oregon-Washington


Some that were not mentioned:
Georgia-Georgia Tech
Kentucky-Louisville
Texas-Texas A&M

Teams not mentioned:
Nebraska
Tennessee
Penn State

Penn State arrogantly refuse to play their actual rivals.

Nebraska and Tennessee have been so bad for so long that their rivalries are dead.

Where is VT - Virginia???

same place as Alabama - Tennessee?
(although VT-UVa actually may be returning)

Only Tennessee believes Alabama is their rival. No one in Alabama believes UT is their rival (or at least their biggest rival).
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(11-25-2021 01:28 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Penn State arrogantly refuse to play their actual rivals.

That's a shame IMO. And it's a shame the Big Ten didn't just take Pittsburgh along with Penn State or Pittsburgh instead of Nebraska and force PSU's hands. Joe Paterno was not against Pittsburgh in the Big Ten.

https://archive.triblive.com/news/patern...n-big-ten/

https://old.post-gazette.com/sports/psu/...0302p5.asp
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RE: The Last Train to Clarksville
(11-25-2021 03:29 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(11-25-2021 03:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-25-2021 03:02 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  
(11-25-2021 01:28 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-25-2021 06:33 AM)XLance Wrote:  The times are changing.

https://thespun.com/college-football/iro...ll-rivalry
https://www.wxyz.com/sports/top-college-...-red-river

42 writers and broadcasters were polled to list their top 5 football rivalry games, this is the result of their poll:


Alabama – Auburn
Michigan – Ohio State
Army – Navy
Oklahoma – Texas
Florida – Georgia
Ole Miss – Mississippi State
Notre Dame – USC
Florida State – Miami
BYU-Utah
Michigan-Michigan State


Alabama-LSU
Florida-Florida State
Harvard-Yale
Lehigh-Lafayette
Minnesota-Wisconsin
Pitt-West Virginia
Amherst-Williams
Cal-Stanford
Clemson-South Carolina
Oregon-Washington


Some that were not mentioned:
Georgia-Georgia Tech
Kentucky-Louisville
Texas-Texas A&M

Teams not mentioned:
Nebraska
Tennessee
Penn State

Penn State arrogantly refuse to play their actual rivals.

Nebraska and Tennessee have been so bad for so long that their rivalries are dead.

Where is VT - Virginia???

same place as Alabama - Tennessee?
(although VT-UVa actually may be returning)

Only Tennessee believes Alabama is their rival. No one in Alabama believes UT is their rival (or at least their biggest rival).

I know plenty of Alabama fans who definitely place Tennessee as a high #2 for rivals.
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RE: The Last Train to Clarksville
(11-24-2021 03:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 10:36 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 06:28 AM)XLance Wrote:  Geography Plan
(15, 18, 18, 18)

SEC
Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas
LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Vanderbilt
Kentucky, Tennessee, Auburn, Georgia, Florida

PAC
Washington, WSU, Oregon, OSU, BYU, Utah
Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Arizona, ASU
Colorado, Houston, Baylor, TCU, TT, KSU

B1G
Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa State
Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Purdue, Notre Dame, Michigan
Michigan State, Ohio State, Indiana, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers

ACC
BC, Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Louisville


UVa, Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, UCF
Wake Forest, NC State, Clemson, South Carolina, FSU, Miami

Not bad. The ACC and PAC 12 could probably get away with just 15 though.
This is not how the money works in reality. The B1G and SEC would expand differently and the ACC is financially the weakest on the East Coast.

Here are the pre-conditions:
1. There is a breakaway and hoops are monetized more profitably.
2. We move into 4 conferences with a 4 team champs only playoff for the CFP.
3. Conferences hold semis with 3 divisional champs and the best at large. So the PAC's motivation to expand is a larger market and semifinal money.



B1G:

Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue

Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Virginia


SEC:

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Duke, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina


PAC 12:

California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, Cal Los Angeles, Colorado, Southern Cal, Utah

Brigham Young, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, T.C.U., Texas Tech


ACC:

Boston College, Cincinnati, Louisville, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Memphis, N.C. State, Wake Forest

Baylor, Central Florida, Houston, Miami, South Florida, Tulane

So, if I read you correctly:

*There are 72 teams at the P level
*16 teams would make the playoffs
*within the conference playoff structure there would be an opening round (two games, played by the three division champs in each conference plus the highest rated/best record non-champion).
*the winners would then play for the "conference championship"
*the conference champions then advance to the 4 team playoff

Would all other sports championships be handled in the same way?

I think we would have to go more "regional" with less movement.
I appreciate the compliment of wanting Duke and Carolina in the SEC, JR, but I just don't ever see that happening.
ACC adds 4 to get to 18: Cincinnati, West Virginia, UCF, USF
SEC adds 2 to get to 18: Tulane and Oklahoma State
B1G adds 4 to get to 18: Notre Dame, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State
PAC adds 6 to get to 18: Boise State, BYU, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston

ACC
BC, Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Louisville
UVa, Carolina, Duke, GT, UCF, Miami
VT, NC State, Wake Forest, Clemson, FSU, USF

SEC
Mizzou, Arkansas, Oklahoma, OSU, Texas, A&M
LSU, Tulane, Ole Miss, MSU, Alabama, Vanderbilt
Ky, Tenn, Georgia, little Carolina, Auburn, Florida

B1G
Kansas, KSU, Iowa, ISU, Nebraska, Minnesota
Wisconsin, Northwestern, Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State
Notre Dame, Purdue, Michigan State, PSU, Maryland, Rutgers

PAC
Houston, Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU, Colorado, BYU
Utah, Boise, Washington, WSU, Oregon, OSU
Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Arizona, Arizona State
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RE: The Last Train to Clarksville
(11-26-2021 06:33 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 03:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 10:36 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 06:28 AM)XLance Wrote:  Geography Plan
(15, 18, 18, 18)

SEC
Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas
LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Vanderbilt
Kentucky, Tennessee, Auburn, Georgia, Florida

PAC
Washington, WSU, Oregon, OSU, BYU, Utah
Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Arizona, ASU
Colorado, Houston, Baylor, TCU, TT, KSU

B1G
Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa State
Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Purdue, Notre Dame, Michigan
Michigan State, Ohio State, Indiana, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers

ACC
BC, Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Louisville


UVa, Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, UCF
Wake Forest, NC State, Clemson, South Carolina, FSU, Miami

Not bad. The ACC and PAC 12 could probably get away with just 15 though.
This is not how the money works in reality. The B1G and SEC would expand differently and the ACC is financially the weakest on the East Coast.

Here are the pre-conditions:
1. There is a breakaway and hoops are monetized more profitably.
2. We move into 4 conferences with a 4 team champs only playoff for the CFP.
3. Conferences hold semis with 3 divisional champs and the best at large. So the PAC's motivation to expand is a larger market and semifinal money.



B1G:

Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue

Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Virginia


SEC:

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Duke, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina


PAC 12:

California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, Cal Los Angeles, Colorado, Southern Cal, Utah

Brigham Young, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, T.C.U., Texas Tech


ACC:

Boston College, Cincinnati, Louisville, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Memphis, N.C. State, Wake Forest

Baylor, Central Florida, Houston, Miami, South Florida, Tulane

So, if I read you correctly:

*There are 72 teams at the P level
*16 teams would make the playoffs
*within the conference playoff structure there would be an opening round (two games, played by the three division champs in each conference plus the highest rated/best record non-champion).
*the winners would then play for the "conference championship"
*the conference champions then advance to the 4 team playoff

Would all other sports championships be handled in the same way?

I think we would have to go more "regional" with less movement.
I appreciate the compliment of wanting Duke and Carolina in the SEC, JR, but I just don't ever see that happening.
ACC adds 4 to get to 18: Cincinnati, West Virginia, UCF, USF
SEC adds 2 to get to 18: Tulane and Oklahoma State
B1G adds 4 to get to 18: Notre Dame, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State
PAC adds 6 to get to 18: Boise State, BYU, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston


PAC
Houston, Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU, Colorado, BYU
Utah, Boise, Washington, WSU, Oregon, OSU
Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Arizona, Arizona State

The P12 would reach down and pull up other UC schools before they would add Baylor, Boise or BYU.
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RE: The Last Train to Clarksville
(11-26-2021 01:12 PM)clpp01 Wrote:  
(11-26-2021 06:33 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 03:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 10:36 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 06:28 AM)XLance Wrote:  Geography Plan
(15, 18, 18, 18)

SEC
Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas
LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Vanderbilt
Kentucky, Tennessee, Auburn, Georgia, Florida

PAC
Washington, WSU, Oregon, OSU, BYU, Utah
Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Arizona, ASU
Colorado, Houston, Baylor, TCU, TT, KSU

B1G
Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa State
Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Purdue, Notre Dame, Michigan
Michigan State, Ohio State, Indiana, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers

ACC
BC, Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Louisville


UVa, Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, UCF
Wake Forest, NC State, Clemson, South Carolina, FSU, Miami

Not bad. The ACC and PAC 12 could probably get away with just 15 though.
This is not how the money works in reality. The B1G and SEC would expand differently and the ACC is financially the weakest on the East Coast.

Here are the pre-conditions:
1. There is a breakaway and hoops are monetized more profitably.
2. We move into 4 conferences with a 4 team champs only playoff for the CFP.
3. Conferences hold semis with 3 divisional champs and the best at large. So the PAC's motivation to expand is a larger market and semifinal money.



B1G:

Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue

Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Virginia


SEC:

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Duke, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina


PAC 12:

California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, Cal Los Angeles, Colorado, Southern Cal, Utah

Brigham Young, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, T.C.U., Texas Tech


ACC:

Boston College, Cincinnati, Louisville, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Memphis, N.C. State, Wake Forest

Baylor, Central Florida, Houston, Miami, South Florida, Tulane

So, if I read you correctly:

*There are 72 teams at the P level
*16 teams would make the playoffs
*within the conference playoff structure there would be an opening round (two games, played by the three division champs in each conference plus the highest rated/best record non-champion).
*the winners would then play for the "conference championship"
*the conference champions then advance to the 4 team playoff

Would all other sports championships be handled in the same way?

I think we would have to go more "regional" with less movement.
I appreciate the compliment of wanting Duke and Carolina in the SEC, JR, but I just don't ever see that happening.
ACC adds 4 to get to 18: Cincinnati, West Virginia, UCF, USF
SEC adds 2 to get to 18: Tulane and Oklahoma State
B1G adds 4 to get to 18: Notre Dame, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State
PAC adds 6 to get to 18: Boise State, BYU, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston


PAC
Houston, Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU, Colorado, BYU
Utah, Boise, Washington, WSU, Oregon, OSU
Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Arizona, Arizona State

The P12 would reach down and pull up other UC schools before they would add Baylor, Boise or BYU.

The PAC could easily substitute SMU for Baylor (Baylor could replace Tulane in the SEC) and replace Boise State with San Diego State, but since BYU is already "in" and geography demands that they be placed in the PAC. Like it or not, your stuck with BYU.

The PAC could then become:
Houston, SMU, Texas Tech, TCU, Colorado, Arizona State
Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, BYU
Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, San Diego State, Arizona

SEC
Baylor, Arkansas, Oklahoma, OSU, Texas, Texas A&M
LSU, Mizzou, Ole Miss, MSU, Alabama, Vanderbilt
Ky, Tenn, Georgia, little Carolina, Auburn, Florida

ACC
BC, Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Louisville
UVa, Carolina, Duke, GT, UCF, Miami
VT, NC State, Wake Forest, Clemson, FSU, USF

B1G
Kansas, KSU, Iowa, ISU, Nebraska, Minnesota
Wisconsin, Northwestern, Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State
Notre Dame, Purdue, Michigan State, PSU, Maryland, Rutgers
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RE: The Last Train to Clarksville
(11-26-2021 03:32 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-26-2021 01:12 PM)clpp01 Wrote:  
(11-26-2021 06:33 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 03:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 10:36 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Not bad. The ACC and PAC 12 could probably get away with just 15 though.
This is not how the money works in reality. The B1G and SEC would expand differently and the ACC is financially the weakest on the East Coast.

Here are the pre-conditions:
1. There is a breakaway and hoops are monetized more profitably.
2. We move into 4 conferences with a 4 team champs only playoff for the CFP.
3. Conferences hold semis with 3 divisional champs and the best at large. So the PAC's motivation to expand is a larger market and semifinal money.



B1G:

Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue

Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Virginia


SEC:

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Duke, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina


PAC 12:

California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, Cal Los Angeles, Colorado, Southern Cal, Utah

Brigham Young, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, T.C.U., Texas Tech


ACC:

Boston College, Cincinnati, Louisville, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Memphis, N.C. State, Wake Forest

Baylor, Central Florida, Houston, Miami, South Florida, Tulane

So, if I read you correctly:

*There are 72 teams at the P level
*16 teams would make the playoffs
*within the conference playoff structure there would be an opening round (two games, played by the three division champs in each conference plus the highest rated/best record non-champion).
*the winners would then play for the "conference championship"
*the conference champions then advance to the 4 team playoff

Would all other sports championships be handled in the same way?

I think we would have to go more "regional" with less movement.
I appreciate the compliment of wanting Duke and Carolina in the SEC, JR, but I just don't ever see that happening.
ACC adds 4 to get to 18: Cincinnati, West Virginia, UCF, USF
SEC adds 2 to get to 18: Tulane and Oklahoma State
B1G adds 4 to get to 18: Notre Dame, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State
PAC adds 6 to get to 18: Boise State, BYU, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston


PAC
Houston, Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU, Colorado, BYU
Utah, Boise, Washington, WSU, Oregon, OSU
Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Arizona, Arizona State

The P12 would reach down and pull up other UC schools before they would add Baylor, Boise or BYU.

The PAC could easily substitute SMU for Baylor (Baylor could replace Tulane in the SEC) and replace Boise State with San Diego State, but since BYU is already "in" and geography demands that they be placed in the PAC. Like it or not, your stuck with BYU.

The PAC could then become:
Houston, SMU, Texas Tech, TCU, Colorado, Arizona State
Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, BYU
Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, San Diego State, Arizona
There is no one or group powerful enough to force the P12 to take BYU and the BYU/P12 relationship is cancerous to the point where the P12 would never accept them on their own.
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RE: The Last Train to Clarksville
(11-26-2021 03:32 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-26-2021 01:12 PM)clpp01 Wrote:  
(11-26-2021 06:33 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 03:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 10:36 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Not bad. The ACC and PAC 12 could probably get away with just 15 though.
This is not how the money works in reality. The B1G and SEC would expand differently and the ACC is financially the weakest on the East Coast.

Here are the pre-conditions:
1. There is a breakaway and hoops are monetized more profitably.
2. We move into 4 conferences with a 4 team champs only playoff for the CFP.
3. Conferences hold semis with 3 divisional champs and the best at large. So the PAC's motivation to expand is a larger market and semifinal money.



B1G:

Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue

Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Virginia


SEC:

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Duke, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina


PAC 12:

California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, Cal Los Angeles, Colorado, Southern Cal, Utah

Brigham Young, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, T.C.U., Texas Tech


ACC:

Boston College, Cincinnati, Louisville, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Memphis, N.C. State, Wake Forest

Baylor, Central Florida, Houston, Miami, South Florida, Tulane

So, if I read you correctly:

*There are 72 teams at the P level
*16 teams would make the playoffs
*within the conference playoff structure there would be an opening round (two games, played by the three division champs in each conference plus the highest rated/best record non-champion).
*the winners would then play for the "conference championship"
*the conference champions then advance to the 4 team playoff

Would all other sports championships be handled in the same way?

I think we would have to go more "regional" with less movement.
I appreciate the compliment of wanting Duke and Carolina in the SEC, JR, but I just don't ever see that happening.
ACC adds 4 to get to 18: Cincinnati, West Virginia, UCF, USF
SEC adds 2 to get to 18: Tulane and Oklahoma State
B1G adds 4 to get to 18: Notre Dame, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State
PAC adds 6 to get to 18: Boise State, BYU, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston


PAC
Houston, Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU, Colorado, BYU
Utah, Boise, Washington, WSU, Oregon, OSU
Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Arizona, Arizona State

The P12 would reach down and pull up other UC schools before they would add Baylor, Boise or BYU.

The PAC could easily substitute SMU for Baylor (Baylor could replace Tulane in the SEC) and replace Boise State with San Diego State, but since BYU is already "in" and geography demands that they be placed in the PAC. Like it or not, your stuck with BYU.

The PAC could then become:
Houston, SMU, Texas Tech, TCU, Colorado, Arizona State
Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, BYU
Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, San Diego State, Arizona

SEC
Baylor, Arkansas, Oklahoma, OSU, Texas, Texas A&M
LSU, Mizzou, Ole Miss, MSU, Alabama, Vanderbilt
Ky, Tenn, Georgia, little Carolina, Auburn, Florida

ACC
BC, Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Louisville
UVa, Carolina, Duke, GT, UCF, Miami
VT, NC State, Wake Forest, Clemson, FSU, USF

B1G
Kansas, KSU, Iowa, ISU, Nebraska, Minnesota
Wisconsin, Northwestern, Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State
Notre Dame, Purdue, Michigan State, PSU, Maryland, Rutgers

And yet another wholly impossible scenario in light of financial reality.
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RE: The Last Train to Clarksville
(11-26-2021 04:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-26-2021 03:32 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-26-2021 01:12 PM)clpp01 Wrote:  
(11-26-2021 06:33 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 03:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  This is not how the money works in reality. The B1G and SEC would expand differently and the ACC is financially the weakest on the East Coast.

Here are the pre-conditions:
1. There is a breakaway and hoops are monetized more profitably.
2. We move into 4 conferences with a 4 team champs only playoff for the CFP.
3. Conferences hold semis with 3 divisional champs and the best at large. So the PAC's motivation to expand is a larger market and semifinal money.



B1G:

Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue

Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Virginia


SEC:

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Duke, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina


PAC 12:

California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, Cal Los Angeles, Colorado, Southern Cal, Utah

Brigham Young, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, T.C.U., Texas Tech


ACC:

Boston College, Cincinnati, Louisville, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Memphis, N.C. State, Wake Forest

Baylor, Central Florida, Houston, Miami, South Florida, Tulane

So, if I read you correctly:

*There are 72 teams at the P level
*16 teams would make the playoffs
*within the conference playoff structure there would be an opening round (two games, played by the three division champs in each conference plus the highest rated/best record non-champion).
*the winners would then play for the "conference championship"
*the conference champions then advance to the 4 team playoff

Would all other sports championships be handled in the same way?

I think we would have to go more "regional" with less movement.
I appreciate the compliment of wanting Duke and Carolina in the SEC, JR, but I just don't ever see that happening.
ACC adds 4 to get to 18: Cincinnati, West Virginia, UCF, USF
SEC adds 2 to get to 18: Tulane and Oklahoma State
B1G adds 4 to get to 18: Notre Dame, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State
PAC adds 6 to get to 18: Boise State, BYU, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston


PAC
Houston, Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU, Colorado, BYU
Utah, Boise, Washington, WSU, Oregon, OSU
Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Arizona, Arizona State

The P12 would reach down and pull up other UC schools before they would add Baylor, Boise or BYU.

The PAC could easily substitute SMU for Baylor (Baylor could replace Tulane in the SEC) and replace Boise State with San Diego State, but since BYU is already "in" and geography demands that they be placed in the PAC. Like it or not, your stuck with BYU.

The PAC could then become:
Houston, SMU, Texas Tech, TCU, Colorado, Arizona State
Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, BYU
Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, San Diego State, Arizona

SEC
Baylor, Arkansas, Oklahoma, OSU, Texas, Texas A&M
LSU, Mizzou, Ole Miss, MSU, Alabama, Vanderbilt
Ky, Tenn, Georgia, little Carolina, Auburn, Florida

ACC
BC, Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Louisville
UVa, Carolina, Duke, GT, UCF, Miami
VT, NC State, Wake Forest, Clemson, FSU, USF

B1G
Kansas, KSU, Iowa, ISU, Nebraska, Minnesota
Wisconsin, Northwestern, Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State
Notre Dame, Purdue, Michigan State, PSU, Maryland, Rutgers

And yet another wholly impossible scenario in light of financial reality.

My only difference with JR’s is having SMU over Tulane but I could see either. Tulane may very well be the better overall option.
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RE: The Last Train to Clarksville
(11-26-2021 04:18 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(11-26-2021 04:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-26-2021 03:32 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-26-2021 01:12 PM)clpp01 Wrote:  
(11-26-2021 06:33 AM)XLance Wrote:  So, if I read you correctly:

*There are 72 teams at the P level
*16 teams would make the playoffs
*within the conference playoff structure there would be an opening round (two games, played by the three division champs in each conference plus the highest rated/best record non-champion).
*the winners would then play for the "conference championship"
*the conference champions then advance to the 4 team playoff

Would all other sports championships be handled in the same way?

I think we would have to go more "regional" with less movement.
I appreciate the compliment of wanting Duke and Carolina in the SEC, JR, but I just don't ever see that happening.
ACC adds 4 to get to 18: Cincinnati, West Virginia, UCF, USF
SEC adds 2 to get to 18: Tulane and Oklahoma State
B1G adds 4 to get to 18: Notre Dame, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State
PAC adds 6 to get to 18: Boise State, BYU, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston


PAC
Houston, Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU, Colorado, BYU
Utah, Boise, Washington, WSU, Oregon, OSU
Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Arizona, Arizona State

The P12 would reach down and pull up other UC schools before they would add Baylor, Boise or BYU.

The PAC could easily substitute SMU for Baylor (Baylor could replace Tulane in the SEC) and replace Boise State with San Diego State, but since BYU is already "in" and geography demands that they be placed in the PAC. Like it or not, your stuck with BYU.

The PAC could then become:
Houston, SMU, Texas Tech, TCU, Colorado, Arizona State
Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, BYU
Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, San Diego State, Arizona

SEC
Baylor, Arkansas, Oklahoma, OSU, Texas, Texas A&M
LSU, Mizzou, Ole Miss, MSU, Alabama, Vanderbilt
Ky, Tenn, Georgia, little Carolina, Auburn, Florida

ACC
BC, Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Louisville
UVa, Carolina, Duke, GT, UCF, Miami
VT, NC State, Wake Forest, Clemson, FSU, USF

B1G
Kansas, KSU, Iowa, ISU, Nebraska, Minnesota
Wisconsin, Northwestern, Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State
Notre Dame, Purdue, Michigan State, PSU, Maryland, Rutgers

And yet another wholly impossible scenario in light of financial reality.

My only difference with JR’s is having SMU over Tulane but I could see either. Tulane may very well be the better overall option.

Clearly when you get down to the last 2 in there are legitimate debates to be had. I looked at New Orleans and academics and knew that though in a different conference TCU had DFW covered especially with Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech already included. New Orleans is covered only by LSU. And since both Tulane and SMU are private I went for Tulane.
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