(12-20-2021 12:15 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 08:43 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 08:32 AM)OldFan Wrote:  I do think there should be a forfeit policy that enforces some responsibility on the schools, but I also think they should allow vaccinated, asymptomatic players to play even if they have tested positive.

I'd also support a policy that requires all players on athletic teams to be vaccinated (heck, there are tons of other vaccinations required just to get into college), but I strongly doubt that would fly in the current political environment.

Let positive players play? That is ridiculous, Dr. Oz. Asymptomatic folks can still infect others. You test positive you don’t play.

As for a vaccine mandate, I am all in for everyone. Stop being a bunch of poo$$ie$ and get the shots.

Question. If you're vaccinated, why do you care if I'm vaccinated or not?

If I'm vaccinated, I can test positive and spread to you even if you're vaccinated.
If I'm not vaccinated, I can test positive and spread to you even if you're vaccinated.

What the hellz is the difference?

You must have skipped probability in math class.

(12-20-2021 01:21 PM)mustangxc Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:15 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 08:43 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 08:32 AM)OldFan Wrote:  I do think there should be a forfeit policy that enforces some responsibility on the schools, but I also think they should allow vaccinated, asymptomatic players to play even if they have tested positive.

I'd also support a policy that requires all players on athletic teams to be vaccinated (heck, there are tons of other vaccinations required just to get into college), but I strongly doubt that would fly in the current political environment.

Let positive players play? That is ridiculous, Dr. Oz. Asymptomatic folks can still infect others. You test positive you don’t play.

As for a vaccine mandate, I am all in for everyone. Stop being a bunch of poo$$ie$ and get the shots.

Question. If you're vaccinated, why do you care if I'm vaccinated or not?

If I'm vaccinated, I can test positive and spread to you even if you're vaccinated.
If I'm not vaccinated, I can test positive and spread to you even if you're vaccinated.

What the hellz is the difference?

You must have skipped probability in math class.

OK, I'll play along. Probability of what?

Might as well close this thread .. its well off the rails already.

(12-20-2021 01:08 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:15 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 08:43 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 08:32 AM)OldFan Wrote:  I do think there should be a forfeit policy that enforces some responsibility on the schools, but I also think they should allow vaccinated, asymptomatic players to play even if they have tested positive.

I'd also support a policy that requires all players on athletic teams to be vaccinated (heck, there are tons of other vaccinations required just to get into college), but I strongly doubt that would fly in the current political environment.

Let positive players play? That is ridiculous, Dr. Oz. Asymptomatic folks can still infect others. You test positive you don’t play.

As for a vaccine mandate, I am all in for everyone. Stop being a bunch of poo$$ie$ and get the shots.

Question. If you're vaccinated, why do you care if I'm vaccinated or not?

If I'm vaccinated, I can test positive and spread to you even if you're vaccinated.
If I'm not vaccinated, I can test positive and spread to you even if you're vaccinated.

What the hellz is the difference?

The difference is hospitalizations and deaths. Our healthcare workers deserve some relief from the stupid and selfish crowd. Vaccinations and masks drastically reduce the incidence.

How are they getting relief? Are you saying they're only treating non-vaccinated persons? Where's the proof of that?
From what I understand, the vaccination "may" make your symptoms milder, but you're not spreading a "milder" version of the virus.

What's this "relief" you're talking about, because heathcare workers don't just sit around doing nothing if they're not treating covid cases you know.

Neither Texas and Florida have either mask or vaccination mandates, and both states have low numbers of covid infections.

(12-20-2021 01:28 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Might as well close this thread .. its well off the rails already.

Well if we are going to chime in our opinions on this particular policy, then we can either chime in opinions based on facts or we can chime in opinions based on nonsense.

(12-20-2021 08:43 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 08:32 AM)OldFan Wrote:  I do think there should be a forfeit policy that enforces some responsibility on the schools, but I also think they should allow vaccinated, asymptomatic players to play even if they have tested positive.

I'd also support a policy that requires all players on athletic teams to be vaccinated (heck, there are tons of other vaccinations required just to get into college), but I strongly doubt that would fly in the current political environment.

Let positive players play? That is ridiculous, Dr. Oz. Asymptomatic folks can still infect others. You test positive you don’t play.

As for a vaccine mandate, I am all in for everyone. Stop being a bunch of poo$$ie$ and get the shots.

I'm with you on everyone getting vaxed. What I don't agree with (STRONGLY) is the government forcing human beings in a free country to get vaxed, and punishing anyone for not getting vaxed. That's fking tyranny.

There really is no reason for a team to have to forfeit a game if the team is vaccinated. It is only when the team is not fully vaccinated that they have to do contact tracing - which is where the risk lies in losing too many players.

A case in point is Memphis. They had 2 players test positive, but evidently, only 4 players were vaccinated. So they were forced to contract traced which eliminated all the players except those 4.

So yes - keep the forfeits in place. Punish those schools that didn't want to get vaccinated. Reward those who did. It only affects conference tournament seeding anyway.

(12-20-2021 09:43 PM)Agent Wu Wrote:  There really is no reason for a team to have to forfeit a game if the team is vaccinated. It is only when the team is not fully vaccinated that they have to do contact tracing - which is where the risk lies in losing too many players.

A case in point is Memphis. They had 2 players test positive, but evidently, only 4 players were vaccinated. So they were forced to contract traced which eliminated all the players except those 4.

So yes - keep the forfeits in place. Punish those schools that didn't want to get vaccinated. Reward those who did. It only affects conference tournament seeding anyway.

memphis is the rare case... we've had 70% of aac games cancalled the last 6 days, you can't assume its only contact tracing of unvaccinated ..

the knicks in the nba requires its players to be vaccinated, they are down to 5 players and had to take 3 different 10day contract players to have enough players for their game tomorrow..
nba has larger rosters than college, and college doesnt have backup gleague players..they have had to cancel most games in a college environment without tracing

(12-20-2021 09:54 PM)pesik Wrote:  memphis is the rare case... we've had 70% of aac games cancalled the last 6 days, you can't assume its only contact tracing of unvaccinated ..

The Tulsa game was canceled because of their opponent's covid status.
UCF game was canceled because of their opponent's covid status.
Temple game was canceled because of their opponent's covid status.

Tulane and Memphis were canceled because of covid in their program. We know that Memphis is not well vaccinated. Tulane is unknown.

If it really becomes a widespread outbreak affecting all teams regardless of vaccination status the league can take a re-look.

(12-20-2021 01:13 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 01:10 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 01:08 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 01:00 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 08:43 AM)vick mike Wrote:  Let positive players play? That is ridiculous, Dr. Oz. Asymptomatic folks can still infect others. You test positive you don’t play.

As for a vaccine mandate, I am all in for everyone. Stop being a bunch of poo$$ie$ and get the shots.

Thank you. Public health should never be about politics, it should be about the best available science at the time.

Public Health will always be about Politics anytime there are wide sweeping government regulations involved because political players get to decide what the “best available science” is and any scientific debate is squashed.

The best available science is beyond the scope of most politicians. We have too many stupid potiticians as it is. We need a vaccine to protect ourselves from them.

Political Players, Fauci is most definitely one. All one has to do is watch him in a hearing and look at his emails to know that much.

You realize Fauci is not an elected politician, right?

(12-20-2021 01:29 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 01:08 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:15 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 08:43 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 08:32 AM)OldFan Wrote:  I do think there should be a forfeit policy that enforces some responsibility on the schools, but I also think they should allow vaccinated, asymptomatic players to play even if they have tested positive.

I'd also support a policy that requires all players on athletic teams to be vaccinated (heck, there are tons of other vaccinations required just to get into college), but I strongly doubt that would fly in the current political environment.

Let positive players play? That is ridiculous, Dr. Oz. Asymptomatic folks can still infect others. You test positive you don’t play.

As for a vaccine mandate, I am all in for everyone. Stop being a bunch of poo$$ie$ and get the shots.

Question. If you're vaccinated, why do you care if I'm vaccinated or not?

If I'm vaccinated, I can test positive and spread to you even if you're vaccinated.
If I'm not vaccinated, I can test positive and spread to you even if you're vaccinated.

What the hellz is the difference?

The difference is hospitalizations and deaths. Our healthcare workers deserve some relief from the stupid and selfish crowd. Vaccinations and masks drastically reduce the incidence.

How are they getting relief? Are you saying they're only treating non-vaccinated persons? Where's the proof of that?
From what I understand, the vaccination "may" make your symptoms milder, but you're not spreading a "milder" version of the virus.

What's this "relief" you're talking about, because heathcare workers don't just sit around doing nothing if they're not treating covid cases you know.

Neither Texas and Florida have either mask or vaccination mandates, and both states have low numbers of covid infections.

This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. They are the ones clogging up hospital beds. The healthcare workers become more exposed than is necessary. I am realizing this far in the conversation that you are beyond help. Take more courses at U of H. Perhaps major in public health. Then come back in four years and look at your posts. Checking out of this conversation. You are on your own.

(12-20-2021 01:50 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 08:43 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 08:32 AM)OldFan Wrote:  I do think there should be a forfeit policy that enforces some responsibility on the schools, but I also think they should allow vaccinated, asymptomatic players to play even if they have tested positive.

I'd also support a policy that requires all players on athletic teams to be vaccinated (heck, there are tons of other vaccinations required just to get into college), but I strongly doubt that would fly in the current political environment.

Let positive players play? That is ridiculous, Dr. Oz. Asymptomatic folks can still infect others. You test positive you don’t play.

As for a vaccine mandate, I am all in for everyone. Stop being a bunch of poo$$ie$ and get the shots.

I'm with you on everyone getting vaxed. What I don't agree with (STRONGLY) is the government forcing human beings in a free country to get vaxed, and punishing anyone for not getting vaxed. That's fking tyranny.

I was around when the polio epidemic was raging. Nobody forced anybody to get the vaccine, but we all did. Considered a patriotic duty not to infect your fellow citizen, as well as a smart choice to protect yourself and your family. We now exist in a culture where the practice of willful ignorance is prolonging a conquerable situation and putting others at risk. Mandates are required in many fields of work. I was mandated by my employer to get Hepatitis B vaccination. I think the government mandates are tied to specific fields of employment through OSHA, not across the population. You can choose not to get vaccinated, but you won't be able keep your employment. What is the Washington State coach doing these days? Most countries won't let you in if you are not vaccinated. Insurance companies will be forced to implement policies of non-payment for the unvaccinated because the costs will topple their industry. Economics sometimes is the prevailing wisdom in a society.

(12-20-2021 02:29 AM)pesik Wrote:  Will the AAC change its new forfeit policy..

this is a debate already happening in the big east who started conference play already, last year when games were canceled it was no contest and there was a heavy attempt to reschedule

with the supposed relief of the vaccine, every conference (including the aac) changed the policy to if games are canceled because of covid the team responsible gets a forfiet and an automatic L, no attempt to reschedule will be made

this was made on the premise that if you are getting covid cancellations its because you chose not to get vaccinated.. but with the new variant, you will get tons of positives even if your vaccinated..
meaning many will be losing games by chance, a team could win the conference based on forfeited wins etc..

do you guys think it should change.. or stick to the forfeit policy??

will be interesting how the committee weighs those losses

Pretty simple solution. Stop testing asymptomatic, vaccinated individuals.

(12-21-2021 01:53 AM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 01:13 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 01:10 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 01:08 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 01:00 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  Thank you. Public health should never be about politics, it should be about the best available science at the time.

Public Health will always be about Politics anytime there are wide sweeping government regulations involved because political players get to decide what the “best available science” is and any scientific debate is squashed.

The best available science is beyond the scope of most politicians. We have too many stupid potiticians as it is. We need a vaccine to protect ourselves from them.

Political Players, Fauci is most definitely one. All one has to do is watch him in a hearing and look at his emails to know that much.

You realize Fauci is not an elected politician, right?

Don’t be obtuse

(12-21-2021 01:58 AM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 01:29 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 01:08 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:15 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 08:43 AM)vick mike Wrote:  Let positive players play? That is ridiculous, Dr. Oz. Asymptomatic folks can still infect others. You test positive you don’t play.

As for a vaccine mandate, I am all in for everyone. Stop being a bunch of poo$$ie$ and get the shots.

Question. If you're vaccinated, why do you care if I'm vaccinated or not?

If I'm vaccinated, I can test positive and spread to you even if you're vaccinated.
If I'm not vaccinated, I can test positive and spread to you even if you're vaccinated.

What the hellz is the difference?

The difference is hospitalizations and deaths. Our healthcare workers deserve some relief from the stupid and selfish crowd. Vaccinations and masks drastically reduce the incidence.

How are they getting relief? Are you saying they're only treating non-vaccinated persons? Where's the proof of that?
From what I understand, the vaccination "may" make your symptoms milder, but you're not spreading a "milder" version of the virus.

What's this "relief" you're talking about, because heathcare workers don't just sit around doing nothing if they're not treating covid cases you know.

Neither Texas and Florida have either mask or vaccination mandates, and both states have low numbers of covid infections.

This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. They are the ones clogging up hospital beds. The healthcare workers become more exposed than is necessary. I am realizing this far in the conversation that you are beyond help. Take more courses at U of H. Perhaps major in public health. Then come back in four years and look at your posts. Checking out of this conversation. You are on your own.

lol I always get a chuckle when someone tries to flaunt their "intelligence".

You should try taking a basic logic course, and maybe a reading comprehension class just so you don't miss the subtleties that just went over your head.

Your argument seems to be pro-vax vs. anti-vax, and it's quite easily detectable in your nazi-esque tone that you think I'm anti-vax. Of course you do.

And this mis-comprehension has apparently lead you to think that I don't understand the (only) benefit of this vaccine. And so since you're arguing to that point, you mis-apply logic to MY point, which I'll probably have to spell it out in crayons because you obviously didn't get it the first time...

This vaccine does NOTHING to prevent spreading the disease. If you are vaccinated, then your only benefit, according to the number of cases of covid in those that were fully vaccinated, is that your symptoms will be lessened. That's good.

But, because it doesn't prevent the spread of the disease, i.e. - you can catch it from a vaccinated person that is positive, just as easy as you can catch it from an unvaccinated person. Your claim that it is only the unvaccinated people spreading this virus is a flat out lie. One you were told to believe, and you believe it without question. But it's a lie. The number show this, if you'd look.

I'm "fully vaccinated" (in case you were wondering) and I still contracted the virus, and I spread it to one other person (my wife) who is also "fully vaccinated", so don't try to tell me I don't know of what I speak.

So, since this vaccine does NOTHING to prevent spreading the disease, how will waving your vaccine card in someone's face (vax mandates) prevent you from catching it? It sure as heck didn't stop me from catching it. And further, to one of your points, how will you even know if you caught it from an unvaxxed person or a vaxxed person? Hint - you won't know. Especially if you are around fully vaccinated people, one or more of whom is positive but doesn't have severe symptoms and didn't bother to get tested to see if they have it, and therefore are not quarantining themselves like they should!! So stop claiming it's only the unvaxxed spreading this virus!

Now, I'm sure you're gonna call me more names as part of your defense of your illogical position, but at least try to apply some logic and explain how a vaccine mandate works (in your mind at least) to stop the spread of this virus, because so far this vaccine doesn't prevent it from spreading.

And just to tie this to the point of this thread, if a team has to forfeit a game due to not having enough players due to illness, then it's a forfeit, period. But the idea of penalizing teams because not everyone is vaxxed is only turning college sport into political propaganda. And I'm against that.

(12-20-2021 09:58 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  from cbs

Impact of canceled games

The cancellations have impacts for intra-conference games, as leagues have instituted forfeit rules for the 2021-22 season. Seton Hall was incapable of playing St. John's this forthcoming Tuesday, so the Big East stuck to its code agreed to in the fall and docked the Pirates with a loss in league play, while St. John's started 1-0 in the conference due to the SHU forfeit. The same thing happened earlier this month in the Pac-12 when Washington was incapable of finding a makeup game vs. UCLA, so the Huskies were assessed a forfeit and UCLA was given a win in the conference standings.

Forfeits are not recognized officially by the NCAA selection committee, so any games not played as initially scheduled will not be reflected on team sheets.

This is the part that really sucks. Going to be at least a few teams throughout multiple conferences fighting for bids at the end of the season that lose marquee games due to this rule. Wonder how many conferences will start making every possible effort to play a game once they realize bids/money are on the line

(12-20-2021 12:03 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Memphis might wind up 0-18 in conference play, lol. You would think natural immunity should count for something, but I bet it doesn't.

And you would be wrong.

(12-20-2021 09:58 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  from cbs

Impact of canceled games

The cancellations have impacts for intra-conference games, as leagues have instituted forfeit rules for the 2021-22 season. Seton Hall was incapable of playing St. John's this forthcoming Tuesday, so the Big East stuck to its code agreed to in the fall and docked the Pirates with a loss in league play, while St. John's started 1-0 in the conference due to the SHU forfeit. The same thing happened earlier this month in the Pac-12 when Washington was incapable of finding a makeup game vs. UCLA, so the Huskies were assessed a forfeit and UCLA was given a win in the conference standings.

Forfeits are not recognized officially by the NCAA selection committee, so any games not played as initially scheduled will not be reflected on team sheets.

That is all I care about.

Yeah a team may end up with a bad seed in the conference tourney...But you have to overcome it.

(12-21-2021 03:36 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 09:58 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  from cbs

Impact of canceled games

The cancellations have impacts for intra-conference games, as leagues have instituted forfeit rules for the 2021-22 season. Seton Hall was incapable of playing St. John's this forthcoming Tuesday, so the Big East stuck to its code agreed to in the fall and docked the Pirates with a loss in league play, while St. John's started 1-0 in the conference due to the SHU forfeit. The same thing happened earlier this month in the Pac-12 when Washington was incapable of finding a makeup game vs. UCLA, so the Huskies were assessed a forfeit and UCLA was given a win in the conference standings.

Forfeits are not recognized officially by the NCAA selection committee, so any games not played as initially scheduled will not be reflected on team sheets.

That is all I care about.

Yeah a team may end up with a bad seed in the conference tourney...But you have to overcome it.

its used in everything but the committe .. official records, championship standing etc..

if memphis sweeps houston and is clearly the best aac team, and then forfiets 4 games and then another teams gets the champonship solely on the forfiets i guess yous be fine with saying memphis still has never won an aac championship?

and its does affect the tourney, its not just forfeits its no makeup games... without adding games , if UC, wichita, memphis, smu, ucf have both their games vs houston cancelled they are basically eliminated from the tourney, all still with tourney aspirations

(12-20-2021 01:08 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:15 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 08:43 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 08:32 AM)OldFan Wrote:  I do think there should be a forfeit policy that enforces some responsibility on the schools, but I also think they should allow vaccinated, asymptomatic players to play even if they have tested positive.

I'd also support a policy that requires all players on athletic teams to be vaccinated (heck, there are tons of other vaccinations required just to get into college), but I strongly doubt that would fly in the current political environment.

Let positive players play? That is ridiculous, Dr. Oz. Asymptomatic folks can still infect others. You test positive you don’t play.

As for a vaccine mandate, I am all in for everyone. Stop being a bunch of poo$$ie$ and get the shots.

Question. If you're vaccinated, why do you care if I'm vaccinated or not?

If I'm vaccinated, I can test positive and spread to you even if you're vaccinated.
If I'm not vaccinated, I can test positive and spread to you even if you're vaccinated.

What the hellz is the difference?

The difference is hospitalizations and deaths. Our healthcare workers deserve some relief from the stupid and selfish crowd. Vaccinations and masks drastically reduce the incidence.

Has everyone forgotten about the “15 days to spread the curve “ BS we were fed at the first shut down? We were given graphs that showed the scenarios and how we could all get this virus quickly and that could result in more deaths or we could spread the curve and we will see the same number of people infected just over a longer period.

Instead what we now have is the seasonal flu with a different name. We have the same people who have had covid once get it again. Vaccinated people get it. People with booster shots get it.

Guess what since the beginning of time we have had illness in our species. You can thank evolution for that if you believe in science. As we evolve so do things that want to infect us and they get better at it just like we get better at fighting it off.

The marketing and message behind the virus has had more variants than the virus itself but the one that that has not changed is the extremely low death rate if you have even the slightest bit of an immune system you are fine.