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RE: Penny cusses out media after last night's home loss to SMU
(01-21-2022 01:20 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:04 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  He’s such a disaster. What is this his 4th or 5th year there since he stopped coaching high school and he’s still acting like someone else put his roster together?

Hard to demand accountability from kids when you have none for yourself.

How did Cindy lose to this guy?

Going back almost 30 years, we didn’t for a long time. Hell, I saw Lil’ Penny lose 4 times to UC in person in a single season.
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RE: Penny cusses out media after last night's home loss to SMU
(01-21-2022 11:09 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 10:59 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 10:05 AM)TUCandoit Wrote:  I am really hoping he can pull it together. We need a great Memphis team. I've always enjoyed watching them play. The only thing I don't like is they tend to choose a lot of coaches that push the line of what is allowed.


I’m pulling for Penny, too.

Press conference was worth watching and got National attention (for the wrong reasons, maybe…)

I’m not a huge Memphis fan, but I love a good comeback story. I love to see a team with their backs against the wall scratch and claw (figuratively, please) their way back to get it done.
Saw some of that last year From Memphis. I certainly don’t count them out one bit even if they are on an 0-fer skid headed in to Dickey’s.

So, gimme SMU with a strong regular season finish (and deep tourney run) to move up in to an at-large. Gimme Houston with the at-large lock. And gimme somebody like Memphis (or ECU, or Cincy) to finally put all the pieces together for one glorious weekend to sweep the tourney.

Is it really a comeback story when you had the #1 recruiting class in the nation?

it is when the number 1 recruiting class loses 8 out of the last 12 games
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RE: Penny cusses out media after last night's home loss to SMU
Lol Memphis
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RE: Penny cusses out media after last night's home loss to SMU
(01-21-2022 05:31 PM)coogrfan Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 05:29 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  The guy had no real coaching experience. Being able to recruit can only take you so far.

As we Coogs know all too well. Penny's tenure to date seems more than a little like Clyde Drexler's.

Clyde was definitely a worse coach but in a weird way that may have been for the best because at least it was easy to fire him without causing a huge rift between him and the program. Memphis may be stuck with Penny out of fear of alienating his AAU connects. Memphis is truly stuck between a rock and a hard place.
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RE: Penny cusses out media after last night's home loss to SMU
Tubby had the program heading in the right direction. He even played for a conference championship his final year. Money people wanted Penny, so they’re stuck with them. It couldn’t happen to a better bunch.
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RE: Penny cusses out media after last night's home loss to SMU
(01-21-2022 07:47 PM)Dem Coogs Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 05:31 PM)coogrfan Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 05:29 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  The guy had no real coaching experience. Being able to recruit can only take you so far.

As we Coogs know all too well. Penny's tenure to date seems more than a little like Clyde Drexler's.

Clyde was definitely a worse coach but in a weird way that may have been for the best because at least it was easy to fire him without causing a huge rift between him and the program. Memphis may be stuck with Penny out of fear of alienating his AAU connects. Memphis is truly stuck between a rock and a hard place.

I think that's true, but you have the wrong reason. It has zero to do with AAU.

It's b/c Penny is an icon of Memphis basketball behind only Larry Finch.

Penny got the job without experience b/c of who he is to Memphis basketball. Nobody but him would have been hired like that. It was a risk worth taking, b/c after Tubby, nobody was coming to the Forum, and donations had dried up.

Penny immediately rejuvenated the program, practically overnight. Season ticket sales and donations skyrocketed, and the Forum was alive again.

The catch is, we had to hope he learned on the fly. So far, no good, but unlike many Memphis fans, I think there is likely one more year of good will left in his legacy. We'll see.

As for cussing out the medias, that was wrong, but has anybody ever watched a Jim Calhoun presser? 03-lmfao
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RE: Penny cusses out media after last night's home loss to SMU
(01-21-2022 08:11 AM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  Oh..... my virgin ears.

He’s understandably frustrated and pissed but he needs to learn Excuse Bingo from Jank.

Agree. Like a lot of us at some point in our lives, he's got some work to do in the area of adult development.

The expectations on him have been extremely high. It's not easy to live your life in the limelight and then come under scrutiny when things hit a soft patch, or to go through a critical situatio when every move you make is scrutinized.

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We shouldn't forget that the hell that Jackie Robinson had to endure in the 1950s and 1960s is not entirely a thing of the past, nor that Robinson had an amazing ability to maintain his calm when the brickbats came flying at him.

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To this day, when even Asian-Americans and people of color in general are having to deal with unprecedented levels of racial discrimination and hatred, extremely successful African-American men sometimes have to deal with extreme, unjustified criticism.

Coach Hardaway isn't alone in any of this.

Temple's Head Coach has also come under extreme, unjustified criticism this by some Philadelphia sports writers, including yet another vicious attack from the Inquirer's columnist Jon Rothstein this week despite the fact that McKie has turned his injury-beset program around from 4-10 last year to 10-6 this year.

He just happens to be in the klieg lights right now, and like a lot of us, he's got a temper that he's going to have to learn how to control.

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The sharks started to circle when a Memphis team when the team's few Juniors and Seniors and the team's incoming, highly-ranked freshmen had difficulty getting into a consistent rhythm and struggled to gel as a unit.

No one seems to have mentioned the fact that it's not uncommon for there to be some challenges when a group of young hot-shots who've been told they're superstars has to blend in with proud, experienced veterans.

Before they could find their rhythm, they got hit with a long series of injuries to key players. It happens to a lot of teams, and often causes them to fall short of expectations.

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But somehow, because it's "Penny," a certain segment of sports writers and the critics on the message boards with an agenda aren't willing to let him off the hook.

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It would be one thing if he had done a terrible job before this season, but he hasn't. Coach Hardaway has taken a program that had averaged 19 wins under its prior HC up a notch, and led them to a NIT championship last year.

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This year's team has had to play without:

...player (mpg)........games missed
F Bates* (25.6).................3
C Duren* (25.5)................2
G Nolley (24.7 mpg)...........2
G Lomax (24.2 mpg)..........5
F Williams (23.6 mpg)........5
G Timberlake (20.8 mpg).....2
C Dandridge (12.4 mpg)......1
G Hardaway (11.5 mpg)......2

Total.............................22

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Most of these players have had injuries that continued to limit their playing ability even when they returned to the lineup.

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Despite all the injuries, etc., the team is still ranked well in a lot of categories:

#9th in shots blocked
#19th in offensive rebounds
#33rd in free throws made
#36th in steals
#46th in two-point shots made
#51st in rebounding
#52nd in assists
#64th in FG%

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A lot of their losses are attributable to the kinds of mistakes that teams can improve on:

#2nd in turnovers (17.5 TOV/game)
#26th in PFs (19.4 PF/game)
#232 in opponent pts scored (70.6 ppg)
#309th in 3 pt attempts (despite hitting 35.4% of their 3 pt shots)
#311th in FT%
#358th in steals made by opponents.

The Tigers have shown the ability to reduce turnovers and play well on defense. They held VT to 61 pts, WKU to 62 pts, Mississippi to 67 pts, WSU and Tulsa to 64 pts.

Yet, at times, they've given up far too many points to win (82 to Georgia, 85 to Tulane, 80 to Cincy, 74 to UCF, and 72 to ECU.

The good news is that simply cutting down on PFs and turnovers, and tightening up on defense could turn most of their losses into wins.

For that matter, they could be a 13 or 14-win team if they had simply had fewer injuries to key players

Half of their losses have been by only 2 points. If they had won those games, their record at this point would be 13-4, rather than 9-8.

If they were 13-4, no one would be criticizing Coach Hardaway. Yet the fact that they could just as easily be 13-4 as 9-8 suggests that they're probably a much better team than their W-L record suggests.

Moreover, their convincing win vs. Alabama suggests that a healthy Memphis team that plays up to its potential could one of the best in the history of the conference.

All of this suggests that those who write off the team's Head Coach may turn out to be very misinformed.

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RE: Penny cusses out media after last night's home loss to SMU
I **** with the level of realness. Obviously it's a train wreck from a professional standpoint, but oh well.
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Good for Penny.
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(01-21-2022 08:17 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  We shouldn't forget that the hell that Jackie Robinson had to endure in the 1950s and 1960s is not entirely a thing of the past, nor that Robinson had an amazing ability to maintain his calm when the brickbats came flying at him.

To this day, when even Asian-Americans and people of color in general are having to deal with unprecedented levels of racial discrimination and hatred, extremely successful African-American men sometimes have to deal with extreme, unjustified criticism.

Coach Hardaway isn't alone in any of this.

WTF to the above?

First...all baseball fans and even casual fans know Jackie broke the color barrier in the 40s and retired in 1956 after a great career with the Brooklyn Dodgers.

What in the world has that have to do with Epnny?

It was.Penny himself who said after signing the #1 recruiting class (in addition to a Top 3 class.2 years prior) who said that this team could/should win a national title this year.

Former Memphis writer.Mike DeCourcy brought up much of the source of Penny's failures from HS to Asst AAU Couch to jumping to Memphis without any college coaching experience..

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-bas...4xzgwcipbw
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RE: Penny cusses out media after last night's home loss to SMU
penny confirmed that 18-19yr old 5 star recruits can't compete with 2-3 star 21 yr olds on the court.
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Sorry… not buying it. Even with the injuries.. talent-wise, Memphis still puts the most highly touted recruits in the conference (and the nation, this year) on the floor.
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RE: Penny cusses out media after last night's home loss to SMU
(01-22-2022 08:26 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 08:17 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  We shouldn't forget that the hell that Jackie Robinson had to endure in the 1950s and 1960s is not entirely a thing of the past, nor that Robinson had an amazing ability to maintain his calm when the brickbats came flying at him.

To this day, when even Asian-Americans and people of color in general are having to deal with unprecedented levels of racial discrimination and hatred, extremely successful African-American men sometimes have to deal with extreme, unjustified criticism.

Coach Hardaway isn't alone in any of this.

WTF to the above?

First...all baseball fans and even casual fans know Jackie broke the color barrier in the 40s and retired in 1956 after a great career with the Brooklyn Dodgers.

What in the world has that have to do with Epnny?

It was.Penny himself who said after signing the #1 recruiting class (in addition to a Top 3 class.2 years prior) who said that this team could/should win a national title this year.

Former Memphis writer.Mike DeCourcy brought up much of the source of Penny's failures from HS to Asst AAU Couch to jumping to Memphis without any college coaching experience..

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-bas...4xzgwcipbw
Yeah people really need to shut up with some of that nonsense. Minorities have NEVER had as much of an opportunity as they have today, especially in America. On average they have a higher living standard here than in any other country in the world. Penny isn't above criticism just because he's a black man.

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It was a baiting question which Penny foolishly bit. Penny needs success before he can hold the media accountable for their stupid and trap questions like this guy:



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RE: Penny cusses out media after last night's home loss to SMU
(01-21-2022 06:52 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 01:20 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:04 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  He’s such a disaster. What is this his 4th or 5th year there since he stopped coaching high school and he’s still acting like someone else put his roster together?

Hard to demand accountability from kids when you have none for yourself.

How did Cindy lose to this guy?

Going back almost 30 years, we didn’t for a long time. Hell, I saw Lil’ Penny lose 4 times to UC in person in a single season.

Ahh, the good ol’ days. Your post was about this season and what a disaster Hardaway is. Again, how did Cindy lose to this guy?
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New coach hired in mid-April with only 3 guys on the roster when he took the job?

Better Q: How did Memphis hire this guy?

Likely A: Memphis likes shortcuts to success. Always has.
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Can't wait to watch the encore this afternoon.
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(01-23-2022 04:30 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Can't wait to watch the encore this afternoon.

Did you enjoy the encore?
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(01-23-2022 06:50 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  
(01-23-2022 04:30 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Can't wait to watch the encore this afternoon.

Did you enjoy the encore?

Its a win for the AAC teams either way...high comedy of all of the Memphis posters committing mass sepuku or we all get to have Penny as an opposing coach h for another year.
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Penny did at least apologize and in the interest of fairness here are his comments...

" "Memphis, I just wanted to let you guys know that I love you," Hardaway said. "Tiger Nation — I love you. I want to issue an apology to my school, to the players, to our fans. I let my emotions get the best of me last night and that's not the way that you handle situations. I bleed Blue and I'm fighting always for my school, for my city, and for my players. We're working very hard. We know that there's adversity right now, but it's not going to stop us from working hard. We are going to make you guys proud. We're going to win. We're gonna get through this together. And to the fans that are fighting with us, thank you so much, we really appreciate it. You guys help push us through with your energy. And to my players, let's keep fighting on. We're nine and one strong. And again Memphis, I love you. Peace."
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