(03-23-2022 01:47 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Again, that’s with Sam, SFA, Lamar, ACU, etc. Their budget dwarfs other SLC left behinds. On MBB, they have four regular season championships and eight runner-ups. They appeared in the NCAA twice and NIT three times. In FB, they have 14 regular season championships and appeared the 17 NCAA tourneys.In WBB, they have 2 championships, two runner ups and been to the NCAA’s twice. In BB, they have four regular season championships, runner up three times and made four NCAA’s. In SB they have six regular season titles, five runner ups and been to the NCAA’s 7 times. Lastly, in women’s soccer, they have one regular season crown, two second place finishes and 1 NCAA.

I picked the seven team sports the Cowboys offer. Now some of this numbers aren’t huge, but they are larger than virtually every other team in the SLC, with an exception here and there. They are a football first school, but have history that other schools don’t. Couple that with the higher budget than most other SLC schools and you’ll see that McNeese is the best school in the Southland.

I didn’t say McNeese was a powerhouse, that the WAC should get them nor the Cowboys were household names.

Now go back to your Starbucks and CHAZ and leave SLC talk to the locals.

I don’t drink coffee, so I don’t go to Starbucks and I would rather die than be a part of “CHAZ”. It does not align with my beliefs. Not that it matters, I don’t even live in Seattle anymore.

McNeese joined the SLC in 1972 and have won the regular season 4 times? Wow, that’s “great”. Once every 12 1/2 years is “really good”. 2 NCAAS in 50 years is “great” too. Definitely not “terrible”.

Thanks for “clueing me in” on how great McNeese State is.

My measurement of Lamar is when it was their turn to unceremoniously dump Oregon State in the first game of the NCAAs back in the 80s when Oregon State was winning conference championships and getting regular Top 10 rankings. Which, mind you, there’s plenty of company in that fraternity (Kansas State, West Virginia, Notre Dame, Louisville, Evansville, and I’ll include Ball State in 1990 because even Gary Payton couldn’t get OSU out of the first round). This often amused me. Quack.

So has there been a lot of growth in Beaumont? Younger population? Older? I’m curious.

(03-23-2022 05:18 PM)Pounder Wrote:  My measurement of Lamar is when it was their turn to unceremoniously dump Oregon State in the first game of the NCAAs back in the 80s when Oregon State was winning conference championships and getting regular Top 10 rankings. Which, mind you, there’s plenty of company in that fraternity (Kansas State, West Virginia, Notre Dame, Louisville, Evansville, and I’ll include Ball State in 1990 because even Gary Payton couldn’t get OSU out of the first round). This often amused me. Quack.

So has there been a lot of growth in Beaumont? Younger population? Older? I’m curious.

As someone who grew up in Oregon, I remember those OSU days as well. Of course, they are the Beavers and not the Ducks, so I am not sure about your reference to "quack". I do agree though that those were frustrating days to be an OSU fan.

(03-23-2022 05:33 PM)DZ1 Wrote:  

(03-23-2022 05:18 PM)Pounder Wrote:  My measurement of Lamar is when it was their turn to unceremoniously dump Oregon State in the first game of the NCAAs back in the 80s when Oregon State was winning conference championships and getting regular Top 10 rankings. Which, mind you, there’s plenty of company in that fraternity (Kansas State, West Virginia, Notre Dame, Louisville, Evansville, and I’ll include Ball State in 1990 because even Gary Payton couldn’t get OSU out of the first round). This often amused me. Quack.

So has there been a lot of growth in Beaumont? Younger population? Older? I’m curious.

As someone who grew up in Oregon, I remember those OSU days as well. Of course, they are the Beavers and not the Ducks, so I am not sure about your reference to "quack". I do agree though that those were frustrating days to be an OSU fan.

I’m an insufferable Duck. Who also happened to go to Portland State for a couple years, so I’m never of one mind about things, except maybe for kicking Oregon State when they’re down. (DISCLAIMER- Dad went to OSU)

Speaking of not being of one mind about things: Ralph Miller was a damn good coach, but he was a one-note coach. He had a system, he never really deviated from it, with the slight exceptions of AC Green being allowed to dribble and Payton to be with the ball a bit longer than Miller tolerated. Which is part of the reason why the Ralph Miller Drinking Game would have been killer back in the day. Perhaps literally.

Still, I’m curious about demographic advancements in Beaumont.

(03-23-2022 01:47 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Again, that’s with Sam, SFA, Lamar, ACU, etc. Their budget dwarfs other SLC left behinds. On MBB, they have four regular season championships and eight runner-ups. They appeared in the NCAA twice and NIT three times. In FB, they have 14 regular season championships and appeared the 17 NCAA tourneys.In WBB, they have 2 championships, two runner ups and been to the NCAA’s twice. In BB, they have four regular season championships, runner up three times and made four NCAA’s. In SB they have six regular season titles, five runner ups and been to the NCAA’s 7 times. Lastly, in women’s soccer, they have one regular season crown, two second place finishes and 1 NCAA.

I picked the seven team sports the Cowboys offer. Now some of this numbers aren’t huge, but they are larger than virtually every other team in the SLC, with an exception here and there. They are a football first school, but have history that other schools don’t. Couple that with the higher budget than most other SLC schools and you’ll see that McNeese is the best school in the Southland.

I didn’t say McNeese was a powerhouse, that the WAC should get them nor the Cowboys were household names.

Now go back to your Starbucks and CHAZ and leave SLC talk to the locals.

This a Western Athletic Conference forum, not a Southland forum or your personal trip down memory lane. This isn’t the place to reminisce about times gone by and the history of the various Southland teams.

Don’t like the topic—which is the WAC? Take it elsewhere because Mcneese isn’t in this conference.

Personally, I would say there have not been any serious changes in the demographics over the last forty years. Beaumont itself is probably still just about the same size. It is one part of a larger overall area that includes several surrounding towns that have all grown some, but the basics is still similar. A lot of refinery, chemical plant workers with plenty of lawyers. In Beaumont the schools have contracted, as they have gone from five or six high schools in the seventies and early eighties to two large high schools currently. I believe both of the current high schools are in the highest student population high school classification for the state. The area struggled in the mid-eighties as the petrochemical companies contracted and since 2000 has gone through three major hurricanes and several significant tropical storms.

Beaumont population from US Census

1960 119,175 26.8%
1970 117,548 −1.4%
1980 118,067 0.4%
1990 114,177 −3.3%
2000 113,866 −0.3%
2010 118,296 3.9%
2020 115,282 −2.5%

Wow, very little movement in all that time. Seems like a lot of places either have explosive growth or are shrinking fast.

(03-23-2022 04:46 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(03-23-2022 01:47 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Again, that’s with Sam, SFA, Lamar, ACU, etc. Their budget dwarfs other SLC left behinds. On MBB, they have four regular season championships and eight runner-ups. They appeared in the NCAA twice and NIT three times. In FB, they have 14 regular season championships and appeared the 17 NCAA tourneys.In WBB, they have 2 championships, two runner ups and been to the NCAA’s twice. In BB, they have four regular season championships, runner up three times and made four NCAA’s. In SB they have six regular season titles, five runner ups and been to the NCAA’s 7 times. Lastly, in women’s soccer, they have one regular season crown, two second place finishes and 1 NCAA.

I picked the seven team sports the Cowboys offer. Now some of this numbers aren’t huge, but they are larger than virtually every other team in the SLC, with an exception here and there. They are a football first school, but have history that other schools don’t. Couple that with the higher budget than most other SLC schools and you’ll see that McNeese is the best school in the Southland.

I didn’t say McNeese was a powerhouse, that the WAC should get them nor the Cowboys were household names.

Now go back to your Starbucks and CHAZ and leave SLC talk to the locals.

I don’t drink coffee, so I don’t go to Starbucks and I would rather die than be a part of “CHAZ”. It does not align with my beliefs. Not that it matters, I don’t even live in Seattle anymore.

McNeese joined the SLC in 1972 and have won the regular season 4 times? Wow, that’s “great”. Once every 12 1/2 years is “really good”. 2 NCAAS in 50 years is “great” too. Definitely not “terrible”.

Thanks for “clueing me in” on how great McNeese State is.

I see you fail at reading everything. Pertinent part is bolded for ya.

(03-23-2022 08:14 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(03-23-2022 01:47 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Again, that’s with Sam, SFA, Lamar, ACU, etc. Their budget dwarfs other SLC left behinds. On MBB, they have four regular season championships and eight runner-ups. They appeared in the NCAA twice and NIT three times. In FB, they have 14 regular season championships and appeared the 17 NCAA tourneys.In WBB, they have 2 championships, two runner ups and been to the NCAA’s twice. In BB, they have four regular season championships, runner up three times and made four NCAA’s. In SB they have six regular season titles, five runner ups and been to the NCAA’s 7 times. Lastly, in women’s soccer, they have one regular season crown, two second place finishes and 1 NCAA.

I picked the seven team sports the Cowboys offer. Now some of this numbers aren’t huge, but they are larger than virtually every other team in the SLC, with an exception here and there. They are a football first school, but have history that other schools don’t. Couple that with the higher budget than most other SLC schools and you’ll see that McNeese is the best school in the Southland.

I didn’t say McNeese was a powerhouse, that the WAC should get them nor the Cowboys were household names.

Now go back to your Starbucks and CHAZ and leave SLC talk to the locals.

This a Western Athletic Conference forum, not a Southland forum or your personal trip down memory lane. This isn’t the place to reminisce about times gone by and the history of the various Southland teams.

Don’t like the topic—which is the WAC? Take it elsewhere because Mcneese isn’t in this conference.

The original point of the thread was Lamar should leave the WAC and go back to the SLC. I said that wasn’t smart as McNeese is the only school of value in that conference and Lamar should stay in the WAC. Someone else started down the SLC path and brought some facts that backed up the original point. Someone from Washington knows little about the SLC, and why Lamar is better off in the WAC.

(03-23-2022 10:50 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(03-23-2022 08:14 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(03-23-2022 01:47 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Again, that’s with Sam, SFA, Lamar, ACU, etc. Their budget dwarfs other SLC left behinds. On MBB, they have four regular season championships and eight runner-ups. They appeared in the NCAA twice and NIT three times. In FB, they have 14 regular season championships and appeared the 17 NCAA tourneys.In WBB, they have 2 championships, two runner ups and been to the NCAA’s twice. In BB, they have four regular season championships, runner up three times and made four NCAA’s. In SB they have six regular season titles, five runner ups and been to the NCAA’s 7 times. Lastly, in women’s soccer, they have one regular season crown, two second place finishes and 1 NCAA.

I picked the seven team sports the Cowboys offer. Now some of this numbers aren’t huge, but they are larger than virtually every other team in the SLC, with an exception here and there. They are a football first school, but have history that other schools don’t. Couple that with the higher budget than most other SLC schools and you’ll see that McNeese is the best school in the Southland.

I didn’t say McNeese was a powerhouse, that the WAC should get them nor the Cowboys were household names.

Now go back to your Starbucks and CHAZ and leave SLC talk to the locals.

This a Western Athletic Conference forum, not a Southland forum or your personal trip down memory lane. This isn’t the place to reminisce about times gone by and the history of the various Southland teams.

Don’t like the topic—which is the WAC? Take it elsewhere because Mcneese isn’t in this conference.

The original point of the thread was Lamar should leave the WAC and go back to the SLC. I said that wasn’t smart as McNeese is the only school of value in that conference and Lamar should stay in the WAC. Someone else started down the SLC path and brought some facts that backed up the original point. Someone from Washington knows little about the SLC, and why Lamar is better off in the WAC.

You know my background too? UTA hasn’t been in the SLC in what, 10 years? I guess nothing has changed since then. You’re just upset because McNeese has sucked at football and mens basketball for 5 years. You always bring up sports nobody cares about or watches and acts like they’re important or considered on realignment.

The Southland and McNeese both suck. That’s why all the “good” Texas programs left.

Can we just like, chill

When this thread started, I thought there would be 1-2 posts at most. Instead, we have learned the rich history of McNeese, the population "growth" of Beaumont, CHAZ and the glorious days of the OSU Quacks.

(03-23-2022 11:37 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(03-23-2022 10:50 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(03-23-2022 08:14 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(03-23-2022 01:47 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Again, that’s with Sam, SFA, Lamar, ACU, etc. Their budget dwarfs other SLC left behinds. On MBB, they have four regular season championships and eight runner-ups. They appeared in the NCAA twice and NIT three times. In FB, they have 14 regular season championships and appeared the 17 NCAA tourneys.In WBB, they have 2 championships, two runner ups and been to the NCAA’s twice. In BB, they have four regular season championships, runner up three times and made four NCAA’s. In SB they have six regular season titles, five runner ups and been to the NCAA’s 7 times. Lastly, in women’s soccer, they have one regular season crown, two second place finishes and 1 NCAA.

I picked the seven team sports the Cowboys offer. Now some of this numbers aren’t huge, but they are larger than virtually every other team in the SLC, with an exception here and there. They are a football first school, but have history that other schools don’t. Couple that with the higher budget than most other SLC schools and you’ll see that McNeese is the best school in the Southland.

I didn’t say McNeese was a powerhouse, that the WAC should get them nor the Cowboys were household names.

Now go back to your Starbucks and CHAZ and leave SLC talk to the locals.

This a Western Athletic Conference forum, not a Southland forum or your personal trip down memory lane. This isn’t the place to reminisce about times gone by and the history of the various Southland teams.

Don’t like the topic—which is the WAC? Take it elsewhere because Mcneese isn’t in this conference.

The original point of the thread was Lamar should leave the WAC and go back to the SLC. I said that wasn’t smart as McNeese is the only school of value in that conference and Lamar should stay in the WAC. Someone else started down the SLC path and brought some facts that backed up the original point. Someone from Washington knows little about the SLC, and why Lamar is better off in the WAC.

You know my background too? UTA hasn’t been in the SLC in what, 10 years? I guess nothing has changed since then. You’re just upset because McNeese has sucked at football and mens basketball for 5 years.[b] You always bring up sports nobody cares about or watches [\b]and acts like they’re important or considered on realignment.

The Southland and McNeese both suck. That’s why all the “good” Texas programs left.

I’d be careful of that elitist attitude. Louisiana softball draws more total fans than Seattle men’s basketball. Using your attitude, no one cares about Redhawk basketball, which, judging all factors may be true.

That said, it’s a good apples to apples comparison as it is an attendance draw that can be calculated and tracked. In the end, you may not like a sport and not care. But someone does. You can minimize it all you want, but different regions have different draws. Tell GCU men’s soccer doesn’t matter. Tell Southern Miss baseball doesn’t matter. Tell Texas St volleyball doesn’t matter (they outdrew Seattle men’s basketball in total attendance and average game attendance one year).

And pull the post where I said it mattered in realignment. You’ll look for a while.

(03-24-2022 09:13 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(03-23-2022 11:37 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(03-23-2022 10:50 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(03-23-2022 08:14 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(03-23-2022 01:47 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Again, that’s with Sam, SFA, Lamar, ACU, etc. Their budget dwarfs other SLC left behinds. On MBB, they have four regular season championships and eight runner-ups. They appeared in the NCAA twice and NIT three times. In FB, they have 14 regular season championships and appeared the 17 NCAA tourneys.In WBB, they have 2 championships, two runner ups and been to the NCAA’s twice. In BB, they have four regular season championships, runner up three times and made four NCAA’s. In SB they have six regular season titles, five runner ups and been to the NCAA’s 7 times. Lastly, in women’s soccer, they have one regular season crown, two second place finishes and 1 NCAA.

I picked the seven team sports the Cowboys offer. Now some of this numbers aren’t huge, but they are larger than virtually every other team in the SLC, with an exception here and there. They are a football first school, but have history that other schools don’t. Couple that with the higher budget than most other SLC schools and you’ll see that McNeese is the best school in the Southland.

I didn’t say McNeese was a powerhouse, that the WAC should get them nor the Cowboys were household names.

Now go back to your Starbucks and CHAZ and leave SLC talk to the locals.

This a Western Athletic Conference forum, not a Southland forum or your personal trip down memory lane. This isn’t the place to reminisce about times gone by and the history of the various Southland teams.

Don’t like the topic—which is the WAC? Take it elsewhere because Mcneese isn’t in this conference.

The original point of the thread was Lamar should leave the WAC and go back to the SLC. I said that wasn’t smart as McNeese is the only school of value in that conference and Lamar should stay in the WAC. Someone else started down the SLC path and brought some facts that backed up the original point. Someone from Washington knows little about the SLC, and why Lamar is better off in the WAC.

You know my background too? UTA hasn’t been in the SLC in what, 10 years? I guess nothing has changed since then. You’re just upset because McNeese has sucked at football and mens basketball for 5 years.[b] You always bring up sports nobody cares about or watches [\b]and acts like they’re important or considered on realignment.

The Southland and McNeese both suck. That’s why all the “good” Texas programs left.

I’d be careful of that elitist attitude. Louisiana softball draws more total fans than Seattle men’s basketball. Using your attitude, no one cares about Redhawk basketball, which, judging all factors may be true.

That said, it’s a good apples to apples comparison as it is an attendance draw that can be calculated and tracked. In the end, you may not like a sport and not care. But someone does. You can minimize it all you want, but different regions have different draws. Tell GCU men’s soccer doesn’t matter. Tell Southern Miss baseball doesn’t matter. Tell Texas St volleyball doesn’t matter (they outdrew Seattle men’s basketball in total attendance and average game attendance one year).

And pull the post where I said it mattered in realignment. You’ll look for a while.

Then don’t bring them up. Obviously, we’re talking mens hoops and football 99% of the time. Ask anyone on here to name anyone associated with the Louisiana softball program. I bet anyone who pays attention to basketball could name at least 1 Seattle player. That’s great others enjoy it. Those sports are not watched on TV, so I am talking about in general. There are a lot more fans like me, than fans like you, who enjoy college sports other than FB and BB.

Nobody here cares about Texas State volleyball attendance. Go back to the Sun Belt board and talk about it. Same goes for Southern Miss baseball. Go to the CUSA or Sun Belt board. Nobody cares.

(03-24-2022 11:59 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 09:13 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(03-23-2022 11:37 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(03-23-2022 10:50 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(03-23-2022 08:14 PM)Todor Wrote:  This a Western Athletic Conference forum, not a Southland forum or your personal trip down memory lane. This isn’t the place to reminisce about times gone by and the history of the various Southland teams.

Don’t like the topic—which is the WAC? Take it elsewhere because Mcneese isn’t in this conference.

The original point of the thread was Lamar should leave the WAC and go back to the SLC. I said that wasn’t smart as McNeese is the only school of value in that conference and Lamar should stay in the WAC. Someone else started down the SLC path and brought some facts that backed up the original point. Someone from Washington knows little about the SLC, and why Lamar is better off in the WAC.

You know my background too? UTA hasn’t been in the SLC in what, 10 years? I guess nothing has changed since then. You’re just upset because McNeese has sucked at football and mens basketball for 5 years.[b] You always bring up sports nobody cares about or watches [\b]and acts like they’re important or considered on realignment.

The Southland and McNeese both suck. That’s why all the “good” Texas programs left.

I’d be careful of that elitist attitude. Louisiana softball draws more total fans than Seattle men’s basketball. Using your attitude, no one cares about Redhawk basketball, which, judging all factors may be true.

That said, it’s a good apples to apples comparison as it is an attendance draw that can be calculated and tracked. In the end, you may not like a sport and not care. But someone does. You can minimize it all you want, but different regions have different draws. Tell GCU men’s soccer doesn’t matter. Tell Southern Miss baseball doesn’t matter. Tell Texas St volleyball doesn’t matter (they outdrew Seattle men’s basketball in total attendance and average game attendance one year).

And pull the post where I said it mattered in realignment. You’ll look for a while.

Then don’t bring them up. Obviously, we’re talking mens hoops and football 99% of the time. Ask anyone on here to name anyone associated with the Louisiana softball program. I bet anyone who pays attention to basketball could name at least 1 Seattle player. That’s great others enjoy it. Those sports are not watched on TV, so I am talking about in general. There are a lot more fans like me, than fans like you, who enjoy college sports other than FB and BB.

Nobody here cares about Texas State volleyball attendance. Go back to the Sun Belt board and talk about it. Same goes for Southern Miss baseball. Go to the CUSA or Sun Belt board. Nobody cares.

Good lord, once I got to the Texas State volleyball attendance part of that post, the 30 post thread about uta playing basketball on a stage actually began to sound interesting.

(03-24-2022 12:17 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 11:59 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 09:13 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(03-23-2022 11:37 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(03-23-2022 10:50 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  The original point of the thread was Lamar should leave the WAC and go back to the SLC. I said that wasn’t smart as McNeese is the only school of value in that conference and Lamar should stay in the WAC. Someone else started down the SLC path and brought some facts that backed up the original point. Someone from Washington knows little about the SLC, and why Lamar is better off in the WAC.

You know my background too? UTA hasn’t been in the SLC in what, 10 years? I guess nothing has changed since then. You’re just upset because McNeese has sucked at football and mens basketball for 5 years.[b] You always bring up sports nobody cares about or watches [\b]and acts like they’re important or considered on realignment.

The Southland and McNeese both suck. That’s why all the “good” Texas programs left.

I’d be careful of that elitist attitude. Louisiana softball draws more total fans than Seattle men’s basketball. Using your attitude, no one cares about Redhawk basketball, which, judging all factors may be true.

That said, it’s a good apples to apples comparison as it is an attendance draw that can be calculated and tracked. In the end, you may not like a sport and not care. But someone does. You can minimize it all you want, but different regions have different draws. Tell GCU men’s soccer doesn’t matter. Tell Southern Miss baseball doesn’t matter. Tell Texas St volleyball doesn’t matter (they outdrew Seattle men’s basketball in total attendance and average game attendance one year).

And pull the post where I said it mattered in realignment. You’ll look for a while.

Then don’t bring them up. Obviously, we’re talking mens hoops and football 99% of the time. Ask anyone on here to name anyone associated with the Louisiana softball program. I bet anyone who pays attention to basketball could name at least 1 Seattle player. That’s great others enjoy it. Those sports are not watched on TV, so I am talking about in general. There are a lot more fans like me, than fans like you, who enjoy college sports other than FB and BB.

Nobody here cares about Texas State volleyball attendance. Go back to the Sun Belt board and talk about it. Same goes for Southern Miss baseball. Go to the CUSA or Sun Belt board. Nobody cares.

Good lord, once I got to the Texas State volleyball attendance part of that post, the 30 post thread about uta playing basketball on a stage actually began to sound interesting.

He always brings up some non WAC school and their attendance or record in an Olympic sport and thinks it’s relevant to anything. Must be the VP of FloSports or something!

(03-23-2022 10:44 PM)Todor Wrote:  Beaumont population from US Census

1960 119,175 26.8%
1970 117,548 −1.4%
1980 118,067 0.4%
1990 114,177 −3.3%
2000 113,866 −0.3%
2010 118,296 3.9%
2020 115,282 −2.5%

Wow, very little movement in all that time. Seems like a lot of places either have explosive growth or are shrinking fast.

I’ve tried to do some reading.

I would still want to know if the percentage of young people in the area is higher or lower than 40 years ago. Since I read several complaints about the local education system, not knowing much else, I’d consider that there’s a possibility that Lamar’s alumni are probably less likely to remain in Beaumont, and there may be a “mental break” between the community and the school. The petrochemical industry has reduced labor in functions they could automate (which is true of many other industries and towns). When Beaumont was talking about potential 9 years ago, their hope for keeping jobs was in oil shale exploration and drilling… and based on population data, that may not have held very well. Hard to imagine automation in that part of the industry, but, eh?

I can tell you about much larger demographic issues. The population of college-attending youth nationwide continues to drop and is expected to drop for at least the period of time our current K-12 students (because that’s known available data). Many administrators are damn scared. Furthermore, younger populations aren’t going to games… I mean, Nick Saban is lecturing students at ALABAMA about how they should go to more games. That’s telling. So schools will need to be more reliant on their communities… and that only goes so far when schools tend to have to act in their own best interests, and this inevitably comes into conflict with various constituencies. Nothing new there, it just heightens desperation among ADs and anyone who ties school funding to enrollments. Oh, BTW, add to that an excessive number of deaths over the norm the last couple years and the resulting strain and upheaval in the job market.

So the WAC will still be an interesting, eh, “indicator species” to me. It’s one thing to be a school that believes it escaped the Southland (or even the Lone Star) to a nicer place. But the enrollment and economic factors might put a few gashes in everyone’s hides in the near and medium terms.

(03-24-2022 12:17 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 11:59 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 09:13 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(03-23-2022 11:37 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(03-23-2022 10:50 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  The original point of the thread was Lamar should leave the WAC and go back to the SLC. I said that wasn’t smart as McNeese is the only school of value in that conference and Lamar should stay in the WAC. Someone else started down the SLC path and brought some facts that backed up the original point. Someone from Washington knows little about the SLC, and why Lamar is better off in the WAC.

You know my background too? UTA hasn’t been in the SLC in what, 10 years? I guess nothing has changed since then. You’re just upset because McNeese has sucked at football and mens basketball for 5 years.[b] You always bring up sports nobody cares about or watches [\b]and acts like they’re important or considered on realignment.

The Southland and McNeese both suck. That’s why all the “good” Texas programs left.

I’d be careful of that elitist attitude. Louisiana softball draws more total fans than Seattle men’s basketball. Using your attitude, no one cares about Redhawk basketball, which, judging all factors may be true.

That said, it’s a good apples to apples comparison as it is an attendance draw that can be calculated and tracked. In the end, you may not like a sport and not care. But someone does. You can minimize it all you want, but different regions have different draws. Tell GCU men’s soccer doesn’t matter. Tell Southern Miss baseball doesn’t matter. Tell Texas St volleyball doesn’t matter (they outdrew Seattle men’s basketball in total attendance and average game attendance one year).

And pull the post where I said it mattered in realignment. You’ll look for a while.

Then don’t bring them up. Obviously, we’re talking mens hoops and football 99% of the time. Ask anyone on here to name anyone associated with the Louisiana softball program. I bet anyone who pays attention to basketball could name at least 1 Seattle player. That’s great others enjoy it. Those sports are not watched on TV, so I am talking about in general. There are a lot more fans like me, than fans like you, who enjoy college sports other than FB and BB.

Nobody here cares about Texas State volleyball attendance. Go back to the Sun Belt board and talk about it. Same goes for Southern Miss baseball. Go to the CUSA or Sun Belt board. Nobody cares.

Good lord, once I got to the Texas State volleyball attendance part of that post, the 30 post thread about uta playing basketball on a stage actually began to sound interesting.

They out draw Seattle.

(03-24-2022 11:59 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 09:13 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(03-23-2022 11:37 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(03-23-2022 10:50 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(03-23-2022 08:14 PM)Todor Wrote:  This a Western Athletic Conference forum, not a Southland forum or your personal trip down memory lane. This isn’t the place to reminisce about times gone by and the history of the various Southland teams.

Don’t like the topic—which is the WAC? Take it elsewhere because Mcneese isn’t in this conference.

The original point of the thread was Lamar should leave the WAC and go back to the SLC. I said that wasn’t smart as McNeese is the only school of value in that conference and Lamar should stay in the WAC. Someone else started down the SLC path and brought some facts that backed up the original point. Someone from Washington knows little about the SLC, and why Lamar is better off in the WAC.

You know my background too? UTA hasn’t been in the SLC in what, 10 years? I guess nothing has changed since then. You’re just upset because McNeese has sucked at football and mens basketball for 5 years.[b] You always bring up sports nobody cares about or watches [\b]and acts like they’re important or considered on realignment.

The Southland and McNeese both suck. That’s why all the “good” Texas programs left.

I’d be careful of that elitist attitude. Louisiana softball draws more total fans than Seattle men’s basketball. Using your attitude, no one cares about Redhawk basketball, which, judging all factors may be true.

That said, it’s a good apples to apples comparison as it is an attendance draw that can be calculated and tracked. In the end, you may not like a sport and not care. But someone does. You can minimize it all you want, but different regions have different draws. Tell GCU men’s soccer doesn’t matter. Tell Southern Miss baseball doesn’t matter. Tell Texas St volleyball doesn’t matter (they outdrew Seattle men’s basketball in total attendance and average game attendance one year).

And pull the post where I said it mattered in realignment. You’ll look for a while.

Then don’t bring them up. Obviously, we’re talking mens hoops and football 99% of the time. Ask anyone on here to name anyone associated with the Louisiana softball program. I bet anyone who pays attention to basketball could name at least 1 Seattle player. That’s great others enjoy it. Those sports are not watched on TV, so I am talking about in general. There are a lot more fans like me, than fans like you, who enjoy college sports other than FB and BB.

Nobody here cares about Texas State volleyball attendance. Go back to the Sun Belt board and talk about it. Same goes for Southern Miss baseball. Go to the CUSA or Sun Belt board. Nobody cares.

Couldn’t name one Seattle player. Prolly will next year though, maybe. Couldn’t remember one Seattle player form UTA’s prior stint either. But to be fair, really can only remember a couple of NMSU players from then.

(03-25-2022 12:19 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 11:59 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 09:13 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(03-23-2022 11:37 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(03-23-2022 10:50 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  The original point of the thread was Lamar should leave the WAC and go back to the SLC. I said that wasn’t smart as McNeese is the only school of value in that conference and Lamar should stay in the WAC. Someone else started down the SLC path and brought some facts that backed up the original point. Someone from Washington knows little about the SLC, and why Lamar is better off in the WAC.

You know my background too? UTA hasn’t been in the SLC in what, 10 years? I guess nothing has changed since then. You’re just upset because McNeese has sucked at football and mens basketball for 5 years.[b] You always bring up sports nobody cares about or watches [\b]and acts like they’re important or considered on realignment.

The Southland and McNeese both suck. That’s why all the “good” Texas programs left.

I’d be careful of that elitist attitude. Louisiana softball draws more total fans than Seattle men’s basketball. Using your attitude, no one cares about Redhawk basketball, which, judging all factors may be true.

That said, it’s a good apples to apples comparison as it is an attendance draw that can be calculated and tracked. In the end, you may not like a sport and not care. But someone does. You can minimize it all you want, but different regions have different draws. Tell GCU men’s soccer doesn’t matter. Tell Southern Miss baseball doesn’t matter. Tell Texas St volleyball doesn’t matter (they outdrew Seattle men’s basketball in total attendance and average game attendance one year).

And pull the post where I said it mattered in realignment. You’ll look for a while.

Then don’t bring them up. Obviously, we’re talking mens hoops and football 99% of the time. Ask anyone on here to name anyone associated with the Louisiana softball program. I bet anyone who pays attention to basketball could name at least 1 Seattle player. That’s great others enjoy it. Those sports are not watched on TV, so I am talking about in general. There are a lot more fans like me, than fans like you, who enjoy college sports other than FB and BB.

Nobody here cares about Texas State volleyball attendance. Go back to the Sun Belt board and talk about it. Same goes for Southern Miss baseball. Go to the CUSA or Sun Belt board. Nobody cares.

Couldn’t name one Seattle player. Prolly will next year though, maybe. Couldn’t remember one Seattle player form UTA’s prior stint either. But to be fair, really can only remember a couple of NMSU players from then.

I’m not sure if you’re expecting to have an informed discussion about the SLC or McNeese with a dude who roots for Seattle, but I hope not!