Syracuse has a womens D1 hockey team not sure where they play their games

(03-28-2022 04:04 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  The comets also have an arena that would be perfect for Syracuse hockey, assuming the Comets would be willing to share if Syracuse was actually interested in starting a team.

Utica is 50 minutes away from Syracuse. But Syracuse does have the Onondaga County War Memorial, also home to the AHL's Syracuse Crunch.

(03-28-2022 06:07 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(03-28-2022 04:04 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  The comets also have an arena that would be perfect for Syracuse hockey, assuming the Comets would be willing to share if Syracuse was actually interested in starting a team.

Utica is 50 minutes away from Syracuse. But Syracuse does have the Onondaga County War Memorial, also home to the AHL's Syracuse Crunch.

Part of Slap Shot was filmed in the Onondaga County War Memorial, including this part.





The old EHL was rough. I've heard that the seats in the Clinton Comets' home arena, the Clinton Arena, were not bolted down. In one game, so the story goes, the crowd got so rowdy or upset after a bad call that seats began raining down onto the ice.

Part of Slap Shot was also filmed in Clinton, which is a Utica suburb.

(03-28-2022 11:12 AM)jimrtex Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 10:59 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 10:49 AM)Pastasevensamurai Wrote:  This won’t end well. Utica now has AHL hockey which they didn’t have before. The school has C- from Forbes.

If it happens, there's gonna be a dozen D1 hockey programs in New York state.

But not one at Syracuse University.

Methinks the fingerprints of James Arthur Boeheim Jr. and SU's big-money basketball boosters are all over their school's decision/non-decision

Syracuse is kind of weird since they play basketball in their football stadium. How would that work for hockey?

Maybe if Syracuse adds hockey, the BIG adds BC and Syracuse.

Share the OnCenter with the Crunch or play at the Fairgrounds till you can build an arena next to the existing one at Skytop.

(03-28-2022 05:41 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  Syracuse has a womens D1 hockey team not sure where they play their games

They have an on campus arena, but it seats about 1,000.

(03-28-2022 06:07 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(03-28-2022 04:04 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  The comets also have an arena that would be perfect for Syracuse hockey, assuming the Comets would be willing to share if Syracuse was actually interested in starting a team.

Utica is 50 minutes away from Syracuse. But Syracuse does have the Onondaga County War Memorial, also home to the AHL's Syracuse Crunch.

Thanks, that's what I meant.

(03-27-2022 05:37 PM)Todor Wrote:  I wouldn’t mind a short list of sports any NCAA school could be D1 in while remaining at another level for the rest. Hockey would definitely be on that list for me.

Playing out of division was grandfathered in 2010/2011. They do allow an opposite gender sport to also play up for Title IX reasons.

There is no Division II championship in ice hockey. The NCAA has a rule that there has to be 40 sponsoring schools to have a national championship, and there were not enough DII teams.

Ice Hockey is an expensive sport because the arena has to be kept cool so the ice doesn't melt, and they require more players because of line changes, and have higher scholarship limits (e.g. 18 for ice hockey v. 11.7 for DI baseball). It is impossible to play ice hockey outside except in Minnesota, northern Michigan, upstate New York and northern Michigan, so it is harder to develop young talent, like you can with basketball (or to some extent baseball and football).

There are 40 DI ice hockey schools, but 12 DII schools compete since there are no DII championships. In addition 6 DIII schools compete up. Four of these are legacy programs which have been competing before the NCAA had divisions, and perhaps before there was a NCAA: Clarkson, Colorado College (CC), and St. Lawrence. They've always had scholarship hockey.

There are also two DIII schools that moved their ice hockey to DIII before the moratorium Union (NY) and RIT. Though they were permitted to compete at DI level, they weren't allowed to offer athletic scholarships.

That changed in January when the NCAA voted to permit DIII schools that were playing in DIII to offer athletic scholarships. This applied not only to Union and RIT's hockey programs, but Hobart's men's lacrosse, MIT's crew, and Franklin&Marshall's wrestling.

Prior to that Union had considered dropping back to DIII. They had been having a hard time competing until they figured out how to put together non-athletic packages (academic or need-based). But with the transfer portable opening up ice hockey players they began getting players poached. A hockey player might go to Union as a semi-walkon, and then if he proved himself transfer to another school which could offer him a scholarship.

There are seven DII schools that compete in the NE-10 conference, but who aren't permitted to compete for national championships.

There are 84 DIII schools that compete in non-scholarship DIII hockey. This is currently the level that Utica competes at. Ironically, in the 2022 DIII championships Utica had the overall #1 seed (12-team tournament) but went out in their first match (quarterfinal).

Buried in the article was the sentence:

"And, the other teams at Utica would also be affected. The school has 25 total athletic programs."

This could mean that they are thinking about moving their entire athletic program to DII, which would let ice hockey compete in DI. But Utica currently has men's teams in Baseball, Basketball, Football, Lacrosse, Soccer, and Ice Hockey; and women's teams in Softball, Basketball, Volleyball, Lacrosse, Soccer, Ice Hockey, Field Hockey, and Water Polo. They would probably start offering scholarships in all of these, and likely upgrade coaching, recruiting, etc. which would likely mean the effect on some of those 25 sports would be to discontinue them.

Or it might mean that the moratorium on team's playing up is going to end. DI might not mind DIII schools offering scholarships in sports like ice hockey, lacrosse, water polo, men's volleyball since they need teams to compete. In the West, DII and DIII schools are relatively sparse. They might not be able to find teams to compete with in less-played sports. And this might be a problem for DI schools as well.

Currently, Stanford, UC-Berkeley, and UC-Davis are affiliate members of America East Field Hockey. The only other DI field hockey schools west of the Mississippi are Iowa and St.Louis.

(03-28-2022 09:06 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  Or it might mean that the moratorium on team's playing up is going to end. DI might not mind DIII schools offering scholarships in sports like ice hockey, lacrosse, water polo, men's volleyball since they need teams to compete. In the West, DII and DIII schools are relatively sparse. They might not be able to find teams to compete with in less-played sports. And this might be a problem for DI schools as well.

The moratorium is not placed by D-I and its members, but D-III. There are a lot of "true believer" schools in D-III that are opposed to the play-ups because they either feel that it flies in the face of the D-III model, or that the schools sponsoring D-I sports have an advantage in their remaining sports.

(03-29-2022 08:41 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  The moratorium is not placed by D-I and its members, but D-III. There are a lot of "true believer" schools in D-III that are opposed to the play-ups because they either feel that it flies in the face of the D-III model, or that the schools sponsoring D-I sports have an advantage in their remaining sports.

The same moratorium applies to D2 schools (but not in hockey, since there is no D2 hockey championship).

EDIT: It's a Division I rule. I tracked it down in the manual:

Quote:A member of Division II or Division III may have a sport classified in Division I, provided the sport was so classified during the 2010-11 academic year. Such a classification shall continue until the institution fails to conduct the sport in Division I in any subsequent academic year. (Revised: 8/9/07, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

(03-28-2022 05:41 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  Syracuse has a womens D1 hockey team not sure where they play their games

It is a joke of an arena...basically a rec center with a few hundred seat capacity. If Syracuse ever committed to men's hockey they could play downtown until an on campus rink is built. A 4-5000 seat arena would be enough as the basketball culture is too strong at Syracuse University. Another option is a joint arena built between the Syracuse Crunch (AHL) and the Orange but that is probably unrealistic at this point. The Crunch draw capacity or near capacity crowds but the old War Memorial is barely above 6000 seats in capacity. Fun fact: it used to be home to the old Syracuse Nationals (now Philly 76'ers) of the NBA

Utica has a legit hockey fan base. SUNY Oswego is another local school that has the history and fan base to support a D-1 team but Utica has a bigger city to draw from. If Utica can join D-1 I predict it will do well attendance wise. With the huge Turning Stone casino 20 miles west, I could see them sponsoring a tournament for teams.

(03-28-2022 07:58 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  

(03-28-2022 06:07 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(03-28-2022 04:04 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  The comets also have an arena that would be perfect for Syracuse hockey, assuming the Comets would be willing to share if Syracuse was actually interested in starting a team.

Utica is 50 minutes away from Syracuse. But Syracuse does have the Onondaga County War Memorial, also home to the AHL's Syracuse Crunch.

Thanks, that's what I meant.

The Syracuse Crunch and Utica Comets are huge AHL rivals. They drew 31K for a game at the Carrier Dome about 7 years ago. The area is basically one big Metro area now (however still listed as two separate Metros). Syracuse is basically the transportation, shopping, entertainment and media hub for Utica. Most Utica residents are huge Syracuse Orange fans.

https://jayflemma.com/they-stepped-into-...l-history/

(03-26-2022 11:08 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Syracuse is definitely one of those schools that you’d think would have a hockey team but doesn’t.

It's all about Title IX. With Syracuse's scholarship commitment to lacrosse and men's crew, which is not NCAA but still counts under Title IX, there are simply not enough men's scholarships available to sponsor men's hockey without dropping men's soccer and adding another women's sport.

(03-28-2022 06:22 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(03-28-2022 06:07 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(03-28-2022 04:04 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  The comets also have an arena that would be perfect for Syracuse hockey, assuming the Comets would be willing to share if Syracuse was actually interested in starting a team.

Utica is 50 minutes away from Syracuse. But Syracuse does have the Onondaga County War Memorial, also home to the AHL's Syracuse Crunch.

Part of Slap Shot was filmed in the Onondaga County War Memorial, including this part.





The old EHL was rough. I've heard that the seats in the Clinton Comets' home arena, the Clinton Arena, were not bolted down. In one game, so the story goes, the crowd got so rowdy or upset after a bad call that seats began raining down onto the ice.

Part of Slap Shot was also filmed in Clinton, which is a Utica suburb.

Another fun Binghamton fact one of the scenes in the movie was drawn from a game
between Johnstown and Binghamton known then in the NAHL as the Broome Dusters (Binghamton is found in Broome County NY) where they had a 30 minute brawl. Team had kind of a fun logo too made by a local comic artist.

(03-29-2022 05:24 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(03-28-2022 06:22 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(03-28-2022 06:07 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(03-28-2022 04:04 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  The comets also have an arena that would be perfect for Syracuse hockey, assuming the Comets would be willing to share if Syracuse was actually interested in starting a team.

Utica is 50 minutes away from Syracuse. But Syracuse does have the Onondaga County War Memorial, also home to the AHL's Syracuse Crunch.

Part of Slap Shot was filmed in the Onondaga County War Memorial, including this part.





The old EHL was rough. I've heard that the seats in the Clinton Comets' home arena, the Clinton Arena, were not bolted down. In one game, so the story goes, the crowd got so rowdy or upset after a bad call that seats began raining down onto the ice.

Part of Slap Shot was also filmed in Clinton, which is a Utica suburb.

Another fun Binghamton fact one of the scenes in the movie was drawn from a game
between Johnstown and Binghamton known then in the NAHL as the Broome Dusters (Binghamton is found in Broome County NY) where they had a 30 minute brawl. Team had kind of a fun logo too made by a local comic artist.

The cartoonist was the guy who did the B.C. comic strip.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.C._(comic_strip)

BTW, Slap Shot is one of the best sports movies ever made.

(03-29-2022 05:41 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-29-2022 05:24 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(03-28-2022 06:22 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(03-28-2022 06:07 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(03-28-2022 04:04 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  The comets also have an arena that would be perfect for Syracuse hockey, assuming the Comets would be willing to share if Syracuse was actually interested in starting a team.

Utica is 50 minutes away from Syracuse. But Syracuse does have the Onondaga County War Memorial, also home to the AHL's Syracuse Crunch.

Part of Slap Shot was filmed in the Onondaga County War Memorial, including this part.





The old EHL was rough. I've heard that the seats in the Clinton Comets' home arena, the Clinton Arena, were not bolted down. In one game, so the story goes, the crowd got so rowdy or upset after a bad call that seats began raining down onto the ice.

Part of Slap Shot was also filmed in Clinton, which is a Utica suburb.

Another fun Binghamton fact one of the scenes in the movie was drawn from a game
between Johnstown and Binghamton known then in the NAHL as the Broome Dusters (Binghamton is found in Broome County NY) where they had a 30 minute brawl. Team had kind of a fun logo too made by a local comic artist.

The cartoonist was the guy who did the B.C. comic strip.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.C._(comic_strip)

He also drew the logo for the BC Icemen.

(03-29-2022 05:51 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(03-29-2022 05:41 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-29-2022 05:24 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(03-28-2022 06:22 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(03-28-2022 06:07 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  Utica is 50 minutes away from Syracuse. But Syracuse does have the Onondaga County War Memorial, also home to the AHL's Syracuse Crunch.

Part of Slap Shot was filmed in the Onondaga County War Memorial, including this part.





The old EHL was rough. I've heard that the seats in the Clinton Comets' home arena, the Clinton Arena, were not bolted down. In one game, so the story goes, the crowd got so rowdy or upset after a bad call that seats began raining down onto the ice.

Part of Slap Shot was also filmed in Clinton, which is a Utica suburb.

Another fun Binghamton fact one of the scenes in the movie was drawn from a game
between Johnstown and Binghamton known then in the NAHL as the Broome Dusters (Binghamton is found in Broome County NY) where they had a 30 minute brawl. Team had kind of a fun logo too made by a local comic artist.

The cartoonist was the guy who did the B.C. comic strip.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.C._(comic_strip)

He also drew the logo for the BC Icemen.

Yep he also did some art for local parks and the like as well.

I is also useful that the comic was B.C. and he liked to make artwork for the use in Broome County.

For years, Broome County had a PGA Tour event called the B.C. Open. Every year there would be B.C. strips about golf during the tournament (example: https://www.gocomics.com/bc/2005/07/13).

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2...es-to-.php

Utica is "close" to being accepted into a D-II conference, but is awaiting admission to Atlantic Hockey before committing. If they can't find a D-I conference home for hockey, they are going to stay D-III. The D-II membership vote, if Utica moves forward, would be in February 2023-24, but they would start play in D-I hockey in 2023-24 (not sure how that works).

The vote on AHA membership would come at the end of April.

(03-31-2022 10:07 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2...es-to-.php

Utica is "close" to being accepted into a D-II conference, but is awaiting admission to Atlantic Hockey before committing. If they can't find a D-I conference home for hockey, they are going to stay D-III. The D-II membership vote, if Utica moves forward, would be in February 2023-24, but they would start play in D-I hockey in 2023-24 (not sure how that works).

The vote on AHA membership would come at the end of April.

The full list of 2022 D2 membership applicants has not been posted, we know of two applicants. If Utica applied for D2 membership on Feb 1, 2022 then they would be on track for D1 hockey in 2023-24 pending approval by the D2 Membership Committee in July. Depending on the AHA vote in April, at that point Utica can either move forward with D2 membership or withdraw the D2 application. D2 membership applications are due on Feb 1 every year so Utica could apply in 2023 and still have a chance at D1 hockey in 2023-24.

(03-31-2022 12:50 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(03-31-2022 10:07 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2...es-to-.php

Utica is "close" to being accepted into a D-II conference, but is awaiting admission to Atlantic Hockey before committing. If they can't find a D-I conference home for hockey, they are going to stay D-III. The D-II membership vote, if Utica moves forward, would be in February 2023-24, but they would start play in D-I hockey in 2023-24 (not sure how that works).

The vote on AHA membership would come at the end of April.

The full list of 2022 D2 membership applicants has not been posted, we know of two applicants. If Utica applied for D2 membership on Feb 1, 2022 then they would be on track for D1 hockey in 2023-24 pending approval by the D2 Membership Committee in July. Depending on the AHA vote in April, at that point Utica can either move forward with D2 membership or withdraw the D2 application. D2 membership applications are due on Feb 1 every year so Utica could apply in 2023 and still have a chance at D1 hockey in 2023-24.

They also could just play a D-I schedule.