(06-28-2022 05:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 03:50 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Should maximize the annual ones for football schools but acc will acc

No argument there!

that would involve a paradigm shift ...
away from the research triangle ...
got what they wanted ...
rest of us got shafted ...
p.s.
memo to dan radakovich ...
pretty sure you sat on august committee ...
if this is your best work ...
should’ve stayed @ clemson ...

SHOT ACROSS THE BOW

(06-28-2022 12:03 PM)Ragu Wrote:  How the heck is FSU vs Syracuse a good permanent rivalry ... Quite a bit of stupid matchups here. Acc gonna acc . FSU gets hosed yet again.

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Why? FSU wants out of state students from the NE

Also you got two homerun opponents.

FSU also would like an "easy" win with Cuse and can play them in November in CNY under perfect conditions

(06-28-2022 12:51 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 12:45 PM)esayem Wrote:  Boston College: Miami, Pitt, Syracuse
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, NC State
Duke: North Carolina, NC State, Wake Forest
Florida State: Clemson, Miami, Syracuse
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Louisville, Wake Forest
Louisville: Georgia Tech, Miami, Virginia
Miami: Boston College, Florida State, Louisville
North Carolina: Duke, NC State, Virginia
NC State: Clemson, Duke, North Carolina
Pitt: Boston College, Syracuse, Virginia Tech
Syracuse: Boston College, Florida State, Pitt
Virginia: Louisville, North Carolina, Virginia Tech
Virginia Tech: Pitt, Virginia, Wake Forest
Wake Forest: Duke, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech


Some surprises here for sure.

HUGE winner that nobody mentioned is Wake.

Georgia Tech-Louisville is almost as odd as Virginia-Louisville. Sigh. Then the Birds get Miami on top of that? Looks like recruiting ground central for the Bourbon Bois.

The northeast triangle was put together, but the southernmost schools were not. I thought for sure we'd see FSU-GT. Very surprised on that, but then again the Noles rep said something about wanting Syracuse. Okay then.

BC-Miami is back just in time for the Canes to bring back that thuggernaut image. Surprised Pitt and VT lost out on the Canes, but ending up with one another ain't so bad considering they're somewhat regional. I probably would have gone Pitt-Miami and Louisville-VT.

The Noles didn't want Syracuse. The fanbase is furious as can be expected

They said sometimes you have to put your conference cap on. FSU gets screwed like this by the acc quite a bit so it's no surprise.

Syracuse and BC probably wanted more Florida exposure. Gotta help them over the actual football schools of course

Of course the north Carolina schools make out

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Getting FSU for Florida recruiting is like getting Chico St for California recruiting.

Miami is the recruiting prize. Tallahackalaky is South Georgia/lower Alabama/N Florida.

(06-28-2022 01:08 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 01:01 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 12:51 PM)Ragu Wrote:  The Noles didn't want Syracuse. The fanbase is furious as can be expected

They said sometimes you have to put your conference cap on. FSU gets screwed like this by the acc quite a bit so it's no surprise.

Syracuse and BC probably wanted more Florida exposure. Gotta help them over the actual football schools of course

Of course the north Carolina schools make out

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I can see that. However FSU/Syracuse is a "TV" pairing. Same with BC/Miami (plus those to have history).

Wake Forest did not make out (losing annual with NC State), but getting VT every other year in Winston-Salem is one helluva consolation prize.

Explain how FSU vs Syracuse is a better tv game than FSU vs Virginia tech or Georgia tech or Louisville?

Syracuse is the absolute worst matchup for FSU to get annually. Horrible recruiting grounds, boring opponent with no history with FSU , dumpy dome stadium etc.

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Dumpy Dome stadium...gtfoh...with that provincial dumbassery.

The Dome is about 2/3rds done with $250M upgrades.

Climate controlled
Individual seats
2nd largest indoor video board
SOTA 5G and wifi
Attached indoor tailgate center coming
Infinitely better concessions upgrade

(06-28-2022 07:36 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 12:51 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 12:45 PM)esayem Wrote:  Boston College: Miami, Pitt, Syracuse
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, NC State
Duke: North Carolina, NC State, Wake Forest
Florida State: Clemson, Miami, Syracuse
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Louisville, Wake Forest
Louisville: Georgia Tech, Miami, Virginia
Miami: Boston College, Florida State, Louisville
North Carolina: Duke, NC State, Virginia
NC State: Clemson, Duke, North Carolina
Pitt: Boston College, Syracuse, Virginia Tech
Syracuse: Boston College, Florida State, Pitt
Virginia: Louisville, North Carolina, Virginia Tech
Virginia Tech: Pitt, Virginia, Wake Forest
Wake Forest: Duke, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech


Some surprises here for sure.

HUGE winner that nobody mentioned is Wake.

Georgia Tech-Louisville is almost as odd as Virginia-Louisville. Sigh. Then the Birds get Miami on top of that? Looks like recruiting ground central for the Bourbon Bois.

The northeast triangle was put together, but the southernmost schools were not. I thought for sure we'd see FSU-GT. Very surprised on that, but then again the Noles rep said something about wanting Syracuse. Okay then.

BC-Miami is back just in time for the Canes to bring back that thuggernaut image. Surprised Pitt and VT lost out on the Canes, but ending up with one another ain't so bad considering they're somewhat regional. I probably would have gone Pitt-Miami and Louisville-VT.

The Noles didn't want Syracuse. The fanbase is furious as can be expected

They said sometimes you have to put your conference cap on. FSU gets screwed like this by the acc quite a bit so it's no surprise.

Syracuse and BC probably wanted more Florida exposure. Gotta help them over the actual football schools of course

Of course the north Carolina schools make out

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Getting FSU for Florida recruiting is like getting Chico St for California recruiting.

Miami is the recruiting prize. Tallahackalaky is South Georgia/lower Alabama/N Florida.

Which is still a great area. But if guys don't want us too then complain.

FSU fans sure as heck don't want to play Syracuse annually

Football isn't meant to be played in a dome. And you are housed in a recruiting wasteland

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(06-28-2022 12:51 PM)Ragu Wrote:  The fanbase is furious as can be expected

Of course. Hell hath no fury like a message-board Seminole fan whose team has trouble breaking into the Top 25. That dadgum ACC just can't do anything right.



Whatever our preferences, we will all now face preferred opponents more often. This, on top of continued regular meetings with ND and, for some of us, annual showdowns with OOC rivals. We're all about to have many more entertaining games to watch.

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The Seminoles had better tapatapatapatap-up to New York State ready to play, or their message-board fans will have a lot more to be 'furious' about.

(06-28-2022 08:07 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 12:51 PM)Ragu Wrote:  The fanbase is furious as can be expected

Of course. Hell hath no fury like a message-board Seminole fan whose team has trouble breaking the Top 25. That dadgum ACC just can't do anything right.



Whatever our preferences, we will all now face preferred opponents much more often. This, on top of continued regular meetings with ND and, for some of us, annual meetings with an OOC rival.

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The Seminoles had better tapatapatapatap-up to New York State ready to play, or their message-board fans will have a lot more to be 'furious' about.

Yeah because fsu hasn't gone 7-1 against them while having a down decade overall or anything.



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(06-28-2022 01:20 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  It's likely that ABC/ESPN sees FSU/Syracuse from the (upstate) NY + Florida eyeballs POV -- that's my guess. The league's profile is better when Syracuse is as close to "80's Syracuse" as possible, and if playing FSU helps build that profile, great.

^ This. Florida State and Miami were each going to get an opponent north of Virginia. It makes sense for a variety of reasons, including the interests of the Florida schools themselves. Anyone could see that coming.

I agree with the commenter who noticed the league has left this pattern open to tweaking after 2026.

Reminder: We're all about to see much more of everybody from now on. Your team didn't draw every opponent you wanted? You're about to see much more of that opponent anyway. Get ready.

All second-guessing aside, it's a great day for the league. The ACC helped everyone with this move. Drinks all around--and a lump of coal to Jim Delaney, former commissioner of the Big Ten, who blocked this idea a decade ago so he could foist his 'Legends and Leaders' silliness onto the world.

(06-28-2022 08:30 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 01:20 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  It's likely that ABC/ESPN sees FSU/Syracuse from the (upstate) NY + Florida eyeballs POV -- that's my guess. The league's profile is better when Syracuse is as close to "80's Syracuse" as possible, and if playing FSU helps build that profile, great.

^ This. Florida State and Miami were each going to get an opponent north of Virginia. It makes sense for a variety of reasons, including the interests of the Florida schools themselves. Anyone could see that coming.

I agree with the commenter who noticed the league has left this pattern open to tweaking after 2026.

Reminder: We're all about to see much more of everybody from now on. Your team didn't draw every opponent you wanted? You're about to see much more of that opponent anyway. Get ready.

All second-guessing aside, it's a great day for the league. The ACC helped everyone with this move. Drinks all around--and a lump of coal to Jim Delaney, former commissioner of the Big Ten, who blocked this idea a decade ago so he could foist his 'Legends and Leaders' silliness onto the world.

Going to a barren wasteland recruiting area in Syracuse NY to play a boring program doesn't help FSU at all. And it makes zero sense for FSU. It will never be a rivalry.

It is good to see teams more. But you dont have to be an acc lemming. They missed their chance to maximize football matchups here

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(06-28-2022 08:30 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  it's a great day for the league.

how come i don’t feel overjoyed ...
rolling over for the carolinians ...
tell like it is ...

AT ODDS

(06-28-2022 10:26 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Boston College: Miami, Pitt, Syracuse
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, NC State
Duke: North Carolina, NC State, Wake Forest
Florida State: Clemson, Miami, Syracuse
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Louisville, Wake Forest
Louisville: Georgia Tech, Miami, Virginia
Miami: Boston College, Florida State, Louisville
North Carolina: Duke, NC State, Virginia
NC State: Clemson, Duke, North Carolina
Pitt: Boston College, Syracuse, Virginia Tech
Syracuse: Boston College, Florida State, Pitt
Virginia: Louisville, North Carolina, Virginia Tech
Virginia Tech: Pitt, Virginia, Wake Forest
Wake Forest: Duke, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech

Coastal Division, we hardly knew ye.

(06-28-2022 08:40 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Going to a barren wasteland recruiting area in Syracuse NY to play a boring program doesn't help FSU at all. And it makes zero sense for FSU. It will never be a rivalry.

It is good to see teams more. But you dont have to be an acc lemming. They missed their chance to maximize football matchups here

While I agree with you in theory, Ragu, I think you're being overly negative. Chill, dude! It's not like FSU is "going" to Syracuse starting in 2023 - they're just continuing to go.

But the good news, you WON'T be going to Boston or Louisville every year, and you WILL be going to Atlanta, Northern Virginia, and Pittsburgh WAY more often than you used to. That's 5 half-wins against 1 half-loss; that works out to 2 full wins!

(06-28-2022 09:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 08:40 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Going to a barren wasteland recruiting area in Syracuse NY to play a boring program doesn't help FSU at all. And it makes zero sense for FSU. It will never be a rivalry.

It is good to see teams more. But you dont have to be an acc lemming. They missed their chance to maximize football matchups here

While I agree with you in theory, Ragu, I think you're being overly negative. Chill, dude! It's not like FSU is "going" to Syracuse starting in 2023 - they're just continuing to go.

But the good news, you WON'T be going to Boston or Louisville every year, and you WILL be going to Atlanta, Northern Virginia, and Pittsburgh WAY more often than you used to. That's 5 half-wins against 1 half-loss; that works out to 2 full wins!

Impossible to be overly negative on this. It's the dumbest matchup of all the matchups and of course it happened to FSU. Its predictable

Would much rather play Louisville every year. They are one of the 5 best football programs in the acc. Syracuse offers FSU nothing in football.

FSU didnt want them to start , were stuck with them and bc both in division and now get stuck with Syracuse in this arrangement. It's beyond stupid
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(06-28-2022 09:36 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 09:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 08:40 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Going to a barren wasteland recruiting area in Syracuse NY to play a boring program doesn't help FSU at all. And it makes zero sense for FSU. It will never be a rivalry.

It is good to see teams more. But you dont have to be an acc lemming. They missed their chance to maximize football matchups here

While I agree with you in theory, Ragu, I think you're being overly negative. Chill, dude! It's not like FSU is "going" to Syracuse starting in 2023 - they're just continuing to go.

But the good news, you WON'T be going to Boston or Louisville every year, and you WILL be going to Atlanta, Northern Virginia, and Pittsburgh WAY more often than you used to. That's 5 half-wins against 1 half-loss; that works out to 2 full wins!

Impossible to be overly negative on this. It's the dumbest matchup of all the matchups and of course it happened to FSU. Its predictable

Would much rather play Louisville every year. They are one of the 5 best football programs in the acc. Syracuse offers FSU nothing in football.

Agree on that, too -- I'd much rather watch FSU play Louisville than Syracuse. I'd also much rather see Virginia Tech play Louisville than Wake Forest, but it is what it is.

That said, we WILL see FSU play Louisville in 2025 and 2026 (we'll also see FSU play GT in 2024 and 2026, and VT in 2023 and 2025. THAT IS THE REAL BENEFIT.

(06-28-2022 09:48 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 09:36 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 09:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 08:40 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Going to a barren wasteland recruiting area in Syracuse NY to play a boring program doesn't help FSU at all. And it makes zero sense for FSU. It will never be a rivalry.

It is good to see teams more. But you dont have to be an acc lemming. They missed their chance to maximize football matchups here

While I agree with you in theory, Ragu, I think you're being overly negative. Chill, dude! It's not like FSU is "going" to Syracuse starting in 2023 - they're just continuing to go.

But the good news, you WON'T be going to Boston or Louisville every year, and you WILL be going to Atlanta, Northern Virginia, and Pittsburgh WAY more often than you used to. That's 5 half-wins against 1 half-loss; that works out to 2 full wins!

Impossible to be overly negative on this. It's the dumbest matchup of all the matchups and of course it happened to FSU. Its predictable

Would much rather play Louisville every year. They are one of the 5 best football programs in the acc. Syracuse offers FSU nothing in football.

Agree on that, too -- I'd much rather watch FSU play Louisville than Syracuse. I'd also much rather see Virginia Tech play Louisville than Wake Forest, but it is what it is.

That said, we WILL see FSU play Louisville in 2025 and 2026 (we'll also see FSU play GT in 2024 and 2026, and VT in 2023 and 2025. THAT IS THE REAL BENEFIT.

And we will also see Fsu play 3 of Syracuse , bc,wake and Duke every other year. All because the idiots in the acc stuck them with Syracuse every year.

It could have been a lot better. The acc just sucks at maximizing their football product.

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(06-28-2022 09:36 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 09:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 08:40 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Going to a barren wasteland recruiting area in Syracuse NY to play a boring program doesn't help FSU at all. And it makes zero sense for FSU. It will never be a rivalry.

It is good to see teams more. But you dont have to be an acc lemming. They missed their chance to maximize football matchups here

While I agree with you in theory, Ragu, I think you're being overly negative. Chill, dude! It's not like FSU is "going" to Syracuse starting in 2023 - they're just continuing to go.

But the good news, you WON'T be going to Boston or Louisville every year, and you WILL be going to Atlanta, Northern Virginia, and Pittsburgh WAY more often than you used to. That's 5 half-wins against 1 half-loss; that works out to 2 full wins!

Impossible to be overly negative on this. It's the dumbest matchup of all the matchups and of course it happened to FSU. Its predictable

Would much rather play Louisville every year. They are one of the 5 best football programs in the acc. Syracuse offers FSU nothing in football.

FSU didnt want them to start , were stuck with them and bc both in division and now get stuck with Syracuse in this arrangement. It's beyond stupid
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Have you ever been to a game in Syracuse?

(06-28-2022 10:54 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 09:36 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 09:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 08:40 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Going to a barren wasteland recruiting area in Syracuse NY to play a boring program doesn't help FSU at all. And it makes zero sense for FSU. It will never be a rivalry.

It is good to see teams more. But you dont have to be an acc lemming. They missed their chance to maximize football matchups here

While I agree with you in theory, Ragu, I think you're being overly negative. Chill, dude! It's not like FSU is "going" to Syracuse starting in 2023 - they're just continuing to go.

But the good news, you WON'T be going to Boston or Louisville every year, and you WILL be going to Atlanta, Northern Virginia, and Pittsburgh WAY more often than you used to. That's 5 half-wins against 1 half-loss; that works out to 2 full wins!

Impossible to be overly negative on this. It's the dumbest matchup of all the matchups and of course it happened to FSU. Its predictable

Would much rather play Louisville every year. They are one of the 5 best football programs in the acc. Syracuse offers FSU nothing in football.

FSU didnt want them to start , were stuck with them and bc both in division and now get stuck with Syracuse in this arrangement. It's beyond stupid
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Have you ever been to a game in Syracuse?

What does this have to do with anything?

Look I get you'll defend your school. That's fine. The game makes zero sense for FSU. I said what I said. I can't say too much or your cuse mod will punish me like last time

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(06-28-2022 09:48 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 09:36 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 09:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 08:40 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Going to a barren wasteland recruiting area in Syracuse NY to play a boring program doesn't help FSU at all. And it makes zero sense for FSU. It will never be a rivalry.

It is good to see teams more. But you dont have to be an acc lemming. They missed their chance to maximize football matchups here

While I agree with you in theory, Ragu, I think you're being overly negative. Chill, dude! It's not like FSU is "going" to Syracuse starting in 2023 - they're just continuing to go.

But the good news, you WON'T be going to Boston or Louisville every year, and you WILL be going to Atlanta, Northern Virginia, and Pittsburgh WAY more often than you used to. That's 5 half-wins against 1 half-loss; that works out to 2 full wins!

Impossible to be overly negative on this. It's the dumbest matchup of all the matchups and of course it happened to FSU. Its predictable

Would much rather play Louisville every year. They are one of the 5 best football programs in the acc. Syracuse offers FSU nothing in football.

Agree on that, too -- I'd much rather watch FSU play Louisville than Syracuse. I'd also much rather see Virginia Tech play Louisville than Wake Forest, but it is what it is.

That said, we WILL see FSU play Louisville in 2025 and 2026 (we'll also see FSU play GT in 2024 and 2026, and VT in 2023 and 2025. THAT IS THE REAL BENEFIT.

I think everybody is so conditioned by the current schedule to think they won't see the schools who aren't their annual opponents except once every six years, that they lose sight of this. As everyone remembers, Wake had to schedule Carolina non-conference so they could play more than once every six years. Now, even though they are not a permanent rival we will play two conference games against them in four years. My recollection was this and providing better match-ups for the championship game were the primary benefits championed by those in favor of no divisions.

(06-29-2022 06:23 AM)Buckminster Fuller Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 09:48 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 09:36 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 09:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 08:40 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Going to a barren wasteland recruiting area in Syracuse NY to play a boring program doesn't help FSU at all. And it makes zero sense for FSU. It will never be a rivalry.

It is good to see teams more. But you dont have to be an acc lemming. They missed their chance to maximize football matchups here

While I agree with you in theory, Ragu, I think you're being overly negative. Chill, dude! It's not like FSU is "going" to Syracuse starting in 2023 - they're just continuing to go.

But the good news, you WON'T be going to Boston or Louisville every year, and you WILL be going to Atlanta, Northern Virginia, and Pittsburgh WAY more often than you used to. That's 5 half-wins against 1 half-loss; that works out to 2 full wins!

Impossible to be overly negative on this. It's the dumbest matchup of all the matchups and of course it happened to FSU. Its predictable

Would much rather play Louisville every year. They are one of the 5 best football programs in the acc. Syracuse offers FSU nothing in football.

Agree on that, too -- I'd much rather watch FSU play Louisville than Syracuse. I'd also much rather see Virginia Tech play Louisville than Wake Forest, but it is what it is.

That said, we WILL see FSU play Louisville in 2025 and 2026 (we'll also see FSU play GT in 2024 and 2026, and VT in 2023 and 2025. THAT IS THE REAL BENEFIT.

I think everybody is so conditioned by the current schedule to think they won't see the schools who aren't their annual opponents except once every six years, that they lose sight of this. As everyone remembers, Wake had to schedule Carolina non-conference so they could play more than once every six years. Now, even though they are not a permanent rival we will play two conference games against them in four years. My recollection was this and providing better match-ups for the championship game were the primary benefits championed by those in favor of no divisions.

Nobody is losing sight of that. The system they are picking is fine. The rivalries are where they didn't maximize the tv matchups and football matchups which is typical acc

Yeah it's better than before but it still wasn't done right or logically.

FSU never wanted bc or Syracuse. Both were forced upon them after the coastal threw them in the Atlantic division. The bs zipper went out the window with both Virginia teams on one side and the two most NE teams on the other. This was done on purpose.


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(06-29-2022 05:34 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 10:54 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 09:36 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 09:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 08:40 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Going to a barren wasteland recruiting area in Syracuse NY to play a boring program doesn't help FSU at all. And it makes zero sense for FSU. It will never be a rivalry.

It is good to see teams more. But you dont have to be an acc lemming. They missed their chance to maximize football matchups here

While I agree with you in theory, Ragu, I think you're being overly negative. Chill, dude! It's not like FSU is "going" to Syracuse starting in 2023 - they're just continuing to go.

But the good news, you WON'T be going to Boston or Louisville every year, and you WILL be going to Atlanta, Northern Virginia, and Pittsburgh WAY more often than you used to. That's 5 half-wins against 1 half-loss; that works out to 2 full wins!

Impossible to be overly negative on this. It's the dumbest matchup of all the matchups and of course it happened to FSU. Its predictable

Would much rather play Louisville every year. They are one of the 5 best football programs in the acc. Syracuse offers FSU nothing in football.

FSU didnt want them to start , were stuck with them and bc both in division and now get stuck with Syracuse in this arrangement. It's beyond stupid
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Have you ever been to a game in Syracuse?

What does this have to do with anything?

Look I get you'll defend your school. That's fine. The game makes zero sense for FSU. I said what I said. I can't say too much or your cuse mod will punish me like last time

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You were banned last time because you kept bashing SU and sounding like a broken record repeating the same insults. You were doing it in 3 different threads and continued even after you were told to stop. I only banned you for 3 or 4 days maybe. If you had trashed Duke or Wake or any other school the way you kept trashing Syracuse, the same thing would have happened. It seemed that you were intentionally trying to flame. So I intentionally banned you for a few days. And you discussing moderation issues publicly is a violation of the AUP. Once again, I would quit while Im ahead, as the next time you get banned on this forum, it will be for a much longer time.