(07-06-2022 02:33 PM)RCI Wrote:  The PAC 12 and the Big 12 sure seem immersed in a lot of talk. One has lost two powerhouses and so has the other (or soon will.) Jammed together now forms a super conference of sort but without its big cannons. I wonder if this is really the move ahead???

My understanding is that there’s way more talk from us talking about them than there was actual talk from them. Moreover, the talk was most likely regarding their guesses or gleanings of what scenarios resulted in what per-school numbers.

The per-school numbers are EVERYTHING, especially to Cal, Oregon State, and Washington State.They made serious investments based on income that the Pac-12 network never delivered. The environment already sees TV networks calling these shots; so it is not in the interests of these schools in particular and the others in general to actually expand without the per-school take increasing from where it’s likely to be. There’s not a school out there that the Pac could realistically pull that does that for the Pac. So why bother?

Thing is, this is the point where Cal would be in position to make a stand of integrity and kick football to the curb, maybe all athletics. It’s not out of the realm of the school’s culture to do that. But their debt comes from essentially rebuilding Memorial Stadium and so dispensing with sports would probably frost some taxpayers. Maybe more than some. SMH

Another thing… rumor I’ve seen that might be true is that the B1G does want Oregon and Washington. Fox told the B1G, however, that it would result in a zero-change-to-less of a per-school payout. Not that it’s a big secret that TV runs sports. Part of the same rumor is that Fox suggested the USC / UCLA move to replace having lost Texas and Oklahoma to ESPN aka the SEC.

YALE TO THE WAC!

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1547683623045718018

I doubt even Yale could save WAC Football. The new commish has run football in the ground for good I imagine. No western (BSC) team wants to join, let alone anyone from the ASUN. A few RMAC/LSC move ups might salvage an eternal FCS version but I doubt any of them would want to join a basketball centric dumpster fire. If I were UTRGV, I would be begging the Southland for an invite, they may actually let them in this time. Tarleton, ACU, and SFA only hope is FBS and that dream of a WAC FBS is dead and buried unless the Montana's and Dakota's decide to join, which will never happen as long as the majority of members do not have football teams. I wish the non football schools would all just leave and form another conference so we could grandfather the WAC into FBS with real schools.

(07-15-2022 09:36 AM)Spolovilo4EVER Wrote:  I doubt even Yale could save WAC Football. The new commish has run football in the ground for good I imagine. No western (BSC) team wants to join, let alone anyone from the ASUN. A few RMAC/LSC move ups might salvage an eternal FCS version but I doubt any of them would want to join a basketball centric dumpster fire. If I were UTRGV, I would be begging the Southland for an invite, they may actually let them in this time. Tarleton, ACU, and SFA only hope is FBS and that dream of a WAC FBS is dead and buried unless the Montana's and Dakota's decide to join, which will never happen as long as the majority of members do not have football teams. I wish the non football schools would all just leave and form another conference so we could grandfather the WAC into FBS with real schools.

Um what "real" football schools would want to join a league with Torkelton St SUU UTech ACU SFA? WAC football schools NEED the basketball schools. It would also be tough to force GCU UVU SU CBU out of the WAC.

(07-15-2022 10:00 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 09:36 AM)Spolovilo4EVER Wrote:  I doubt even Yale could save WAC Football. The new commish has run football in the ground for good I imagine. No western (BSC) team wants to join, let alone anyone from the ASUN. A few RMAC/LSC move ups might salvage an eternal FCS version but I doubt any of them would want to join a basketball centric dumpster fire. If I were UTRGV, I would be begging the Southland for an invite, they may actually let them in this time. Tarleton, ACU, and SFA only hope is FBS and that dream of a WAC FBS is dead and buried unless the Montana's and Dakota's decide to join, which will never happen as long as the majority of members do not have football teams. I wish the non football schools would all just leave and form another conference so we could grandfather the WAC into FBS with real schools.

Um what "real" football schools would want to join a league with Torkelton St SUU UTech ACU SFA? WAC football schools NEED the basketball schools. It would also be tough to force GCU UVU SU CBU out of the WAC.

Lol dude from GCU said "real school"

the SLC would be a good spot for the old PanAm. they would be able to quickly develop strong rivalries with most of those schools and that would generate fans in the stands. I just dont see the locals in Edinburg and the valley planning their weekend around that big game against UtahTech or Cal Baptist..but they may flock out for games against A&I or Sam Houston state or A&M Corpus..then they could try and pull in a "name" school once in a while in hopes of boosting relevance.

(07-15-2022 12:49 PM)runamuck Wrote:  the SLC would be a good spot for the old PanAm. they would be able to quickly develop strong rivalries with most of those schools and that would generate fans in the stands. I just dont see the locals in Edinburg and the valley planning their weekend around that big game against UtahTech or Cal Baptist..but they may flock out for games against A&I or Sam Houston state or A&M Corpus..then they could try and pull in a "name" school once in a while in hopes of boosting relevance.

You think someone is gonna show up more readily for a game against Sam or Corpus over Cal Baptist or Utah Tech?

Locals at our levels show up for the name on the field and rarely for the level of the opponent.

Plus, WAC has better peers for RGV. Tarleton/SFA/UTA/ACU vs UIW/Lamar/Commerce/CVS Baptist.

(07-15-2022 11:59 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 10:00 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 09:36 AM)Spolovilo4EVER Wrote:  I doubt even Yale could save WAC Football. The new commish has run football in the ground for good I imagine. No western (BSC) team wants to join, let alone anyone from the ASUN. A few RMAC/LSC move ups might salvage an eternal FCS version but I doubt any of them would want to join a basketball centric dumpster fire. If I were UTRGV, I would be begging the Southland for an invite, they may actually let them in this time. Tarleton, ACU, and SFA only hope is FBS and that dream of a WAC FBS is dead and buried unless the Montana's and Dakota's decide to join, which will never happen as long as the majority of members do not have football teams. I wish the non football schools would all just leave and form another conference so we could grandfather the WAC into FBS with real schools.

Um what "real" football schools would want to join a league with Torkelton St SUU UTech ACU SFA? WAC football schools NEED the basketball schools. It would also be tough to force GCU UVU SU CBU out of the WAC.

Lol dude from GCU said "real school"

Real football schools and remember your school joined a league with GCU or did you forget? Also try beating us in hoops before you talk about the bright lights of CUSA. Or will you guys be to focused on the big games vs Doane and East-Central in football?

(07-15-2022 01:29 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 11:59 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 10:00 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 09:36 AM)Spolovilo4EVER Wrote:  I doubt even Yale could save WAC Football. The new commish has run football in the ground for good I imagine. No western (BSC) team wants to join, let alone anyone from the ASUN. A few RMAC/LSC move ups might salvage an eternal FCS version but I doubt any of them would want to join a basketball centric dumpster fire. If I were UTRGV, I would be begging the Southland for an invite, they may actually let them in this time. Tarleton, ACU, and SFA only hope is FBS and that dream of a WAC FBS is dead and buried unless the Montana's and Dakota's decide to join, which will never happen as long as the majority of members do not have football teams. I wish the non football schools would all just leave and form another conference so we could grandfather the WAC into FBS with real schools.

Um what "real" football schools would want to join a league with Torkelton St SUU UTech ACU SFA? WAC football schools NEED the basketball schools. It would also be tough to force GCU UVU SU CBU out of the WAC.

Lol dude from GCU said "real school"

Real football schools and remember your school joined a league with GCU or did you forget? Also try beating us in hoops before you talk about the bright lights of CUSA. Or will you guys be to focused on the big games vs Doane and East-Central in football?

https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/lope

Lol dude from GCU said "football"

(07-15-2022 01:29 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 11:59 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 10:00 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 09:36 AM)Spolovilo4EVER Wrote:  I doubt even Yale could save WAC Football. The new commish has run football in the ground for good I imagine. No western (BSC) team wants to join, let alone anyone from the ASUN. A few RMAC/LSC move ups might salvage an eternal FCS version but I doubt any of them would want to join a basketball centric dumpster fire. If I were UTRGV, I would be begging the Southland for an invite, they may actually let them in this time. Tarleton, ACU, and SFA only hope is FBS and that dream of a WAC FBS is dead and buried unless the Montana's and Dakota's decide to join, which will never happen as long as the majority of members do not have football teams. I wish the non football schools would all just leave and form another conference so we could grandfather the WAC into FBS with real schools.

Um what "real" football schools would want to join a league with Torkelton St SUU UTech ACU SFA? WAC football schools NEED the basketball schools. It would also be tough to force GCU UVU SU CBU out of the WAC.

Lol dude from GCU said "real school"

Real football schools and remember your school joined a league with GCU or did you forget? Also try beating us in hoops before you talk about the bright lights of CUSA. Or will you guys be to focused on the big games vs Doane and East-Central in football?

Watch it now!!! Everyone knows Doane is sleeping giant just waiting to become a powerhouse.

I think the WAC may have brought in the wrong guy as the new commissioner. Overall the WAC is still in good shape for now. TBH I’ve yet to see any positive moves he’s made. Maybe the WAC should either recycle Hurd or steal someone at the top level of the Big Sky. Something needs to happen soon or is this guy just collecting a paycheck much like the old Southland Commissioner Burnett was doing?

The SLC is bush league for D1. There is no upward trajectory for anyone in the SLC other than McNeese who may get the last laugh when the next wave of realignment sees them leaving.

What will the SLC look like then?

They made an extremely poor hire with the Commissioner. He does not give one flip about football and it shows. Once Tarleton and SFA leave, WAC Football will be dead. ACU, SUU, and Dixie will probably have to go indy. No room in BSC and I do not think ACU would want anything to do with the SLC. Nobody in the RMAC or LSC seems to have ANY interest in moving up. Doubt you would be able to get more than 3 of them to do so in order to have a viable FB conference.

The SLC will probably be fine even w/o McMeese. UNO MIGHT start football, and none of the others really have anywhere else to go. I think UTRGV will probably migrate there. They would be far more competitive in the SLC or stay in the WAC and be bottom feeders forever. SUU and UT may use it as an excuse to drop FB. ACU is the one that will be in the tightest spot. They will probably have to make the leap to FBS or go Indy in FCS.

(07-16-2022 07:21 AM)Spolovilo4EVER Wrote:  They made an extremely poor hire with the Commissioner. He does not give one flip about football and it shows. Once Tarleton and SFA leave, WAC Football will be dead. ACU, SUU, and Dixie will probably have to go indy. No room in BSC and I do not think ACU would want anything to do with the SLC. Nobody in the RMAC or LSC seems to have ANY interest in moving up. Doubt you would be able to get more than 3 of them to do so in order to have a viable FB conference.

The SLC will probably be fine even w/o McMeese. UNO MIGHT start football, and none of the others really have anywhere else to go. I think UTRGV will probably migrate there. They would be far more competitive in the SLC or stay in the WAC and be bottom feeders forever. SUU and UT may use it as an excuse to drop FB. ACU is the one that will be in the tightest spot. They will probably have to make the leap to FBS or go Indy in FCS.

ACU could keep all other sports with the WAC and join the non scholarship FCs Pioneer Conference or go independent. Unless things change I don’t see us going to FBS

(07-16-2022 07:21 AM)Spolovilo4EVER Wrote:  They made an extremely poor hire with the Commissioner. He does not give one flip about football and it shows. Once Tarleton and SFA leave, WAC Football will be dead. ACU, SUU, and Dixie will probably have to go indy. No room in BSC and I do not think ACU would want anything to do with the SLC. Nobody in the RMAC or LSC seems to have ANY interest in moving up. Doubt you would be able to get more than 3 of them to do so in order to have a viable FB conference.

The SLC will probably be fine even w/o McMeese. UNO MIGHT start football, and none of the others really have anywhere else to go. I think UTRGV will probably migrate there. They would be far more competitive in the SLC or stay in the WAC and be bottom feeders forever. SUU and UT may use it as an excuse to drop FB. ACU is the one that will be in the tightest spot. They will probably have to make the leap to FBS or go Indy in FCS.

No truer words...

(07-15-2022 06:10 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 01:29 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 11:59 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 10:00 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 09:36 AM)Spolovilo4EVER Wrote:  I doubt even Yale could save WAC Football. The new commish has run football in the ground for good I imagine. No western (BSC) team wants to join, let alone anyone from the ASUN. A few RMAC/LSC move ups might salvage an eternal FCS version but I doubt any of them would want to join a basketball centric dumpster fire. If I were UTRGV, I would be begging the Southland for an invite, they may actually let them in this time. Tarleton, ACU, and SFA only hope is FBS and that dream of a WAC FBS is dead and buried unless the Montana's and Dakota's decide to join, which will never happen as long as the majority of members do not have football teams. I wish the non football schools would all just leave and form another conference so we could grandfather the WAC into FBS with real schools.

Um what "real" football schools would want to join a league with Torkelton St SUU UTech ACU SFA? WAC football schools NEED the basketball schools. It would also be tough to force GCU UVU SU CBU out of the WAC.

Lol dude from GCU said "real school"

Real football schools and remember your school joined a league with GCU or did you forget? Also try beating us in hoops before you talk about the bright lights of CUSA. Or will you guys be to focused on the big games vs Doane and East-Central in football?

Watch it now!!! Everyone knows Doane is sleeping giant just waiting to become a powerhouse.

I think the WAC may have brought in the wrong guy as the new commissioner. Overall the WAC is still in good shape for now. TBH I’ve yet to see any positive moves he’s made. Maybe the WAC should either recycle Hurd or steal someone at the top level of the Big Sky. Something needs to happen soon or is this guy just collecting a paycheck much like the old Southland Commissioner Burnett was doing?

The SLC is bush league for D1. There is no upward trajectory for anyone in the SLC other than McNeese who may get the last laugh when the next wave of realignment sees them leaving.

What will the SLC look like then?

WAC commish Brian Thornton

"One year as associate commissioner for basketball at the American Athletic Conference."

"Thornton was a standout men's basketball player at Xavier University, where he was the 2005 and 2006 Atlantic-10 Student-Athlete of the Year, a CoSIDA Academic All-America selection and was a first-team all-conference pick for the Musketeers' 2006 Atlantic-10 championship team. He began his playing career at Vanderbilt University, where he was an SEC all-freshman selection in 2002 and played professionally for the Artland Dragons for the Basketball Bundesliga in Germany from 2006-07."

Tarleton State University President Dr. James Hurley
"We are excited about the leadership and future-focused vision that Brian Thornton will bring to the WAC. He is a student-athlete centric leader that will continue the growth and expansion of the WAC footprint."

I think he is still in a steep learning cure and while compared to JH there is a 36 years gap of WAC exp between the two. This guy seems more about hoops than anything else. But I don't see him in the WAC for long. I think once a bigger league has an opening (not saying he will leave for another commish job) he will dip for that.

It make more sense why all the non football schools were pretty happy with this hire.

When Thornton was hired I thought:

1. The WAC isn't serious about Football.
2. FBS is not in the WAC's future.

Thornton reminds me of Weir, full of ideas and harkens back to college basketball of the past. I'm not saying that's a good or a bad, but shows his inexperience.

In 5 years or less (probably less than 3) I doubt there will be any football schools left in the WAC. Schools w/o FB should not be in the same conference as schools with FB schools. And FOR PROFIT schools should not even be allowed to be in the NCAA.

ACU could probably get into the ASUN. I know Abilene is a little far west for those schools, but ACU has a lot to offer so I doubt they would not let you guys in especially since they may lose a few schools themselves. Save you from a Pioneer league fate. UTRGV can either cancel FB or keep it, I see them in the SLC soon along with TAMUK (if they merge with CC) Unless the BSC wants to split into Divisions, then UTU/SUU are pretty screwed.

It would not surprise me to see Tarleton, SFA, and ACU all leave for the ASUN.

(07-16-2022 01:00 PM)Spolovilo4EVER Wrote:  And FOR PROFIT schools should not even be allowed to be in the NCAA.

Leave it. GCU has a been a good citizen in the WAC. They haven't been the ones constantly destabilizing us with threats to leave, or actually leaving. They don't throw their weight around, at least not publicly. Their fans here don't keep claiming they're too good for this conference. They've consistently invested and consistently improved their teams. They're helping to hold up WAC's RPI/NET rankings, including Tarleton's. And they're always a serious contender for the conference title in every sport they sponsor.

(07-16-2022 01:00 PM)Spolovilo4EVER Wrote:  UTRGV can either cancel FB or keep it, I see them in the SLC soon along with TAMUK (if they merge with CC) Unless the BSC wants to split into Divisions, then UTU/SUU are pretty screwed.

That merger is not going to happen.

(07-16-2022 01:41 PM)edinburger Wrote:  

(07-16-2022 01:00 PM)Spolovilo4EVER Wrote:  And FOR PROFIT schools should not even be allowed to be in the NCAA.

Leave it. GCU has a been a good citizen in the WAC. They haven't been the ones constantly destabilizing us with threats to leave, or actually leaving. They don't throw their weight around, at least not publicly. Their fans here don't keep claiming they're too good for this conference. They've consistently invested and consistently improved their teams. They're helping to hold up WAC's RPI/NET rankings, including Tarleton's. And they're always a serious contender for the conference title in every sport they sponsor.

(07-16-2022 01:00 PM)Spolovilo4EVER Wrote:  UTRGV can either cancel FB or keep it, I see them in the SLC soon along with TAMUK (if they merge with CC) Unless the BSC wants to split into Divisions, then UTU/SUU are pretty screwed.

That merger is not going to happen.

Yeah I'd love for GCU to pay less in taxes as a non-profit. Look around with NIL here to stay amateur status is out the window. If we are getting high and mighty and throwing rocks at glass homes. We should as a society force Baylor to kill football for the 52 rapes it committed by 31 players. That should be a bigger deal for disqualification for being a member of the NCAA than tax status, does it not Spolovilo4EVER?

I digress hopefully CUSA calls you guys up to the bright lights and your plowboys cheer like the TexAnns they are.

Saw a report today that at least some of the University of California System regents aren't too happy with how the UCLA potential move was handled. Seems UCLA didn't even notify the regents before the press got the move out on the wire.

(07-16-2022 06:41 PM)FirstandGoal Wrote:  Saw a report today that at least some of the University of California System regents aren't too happy with how the UCLA potential move was handled. Seems UCLA didn't even notify the regents before the press got the move out on the wire.

If Cal was included, there would be no issue. Only when you’re left out, are there “hurt feelings”; especially if money is involved.