No one is leaving the ACC. I bet ND even stays! ESPN has a plan! SEC, ACC, PAC will all be inventory!

(07-07-2022 06:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 06:32 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 05:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 01:00 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 12:52 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Rumors swirling that UNC, Clemson, FSU, & UVA are talking to the SEC. We'll see.

My dad is a huge Wake Forest guy, and I know he's worried.

Story was "broken" by SwimSwamNews. CBS Sports says it's not true. You decide who is more believable.

Clemson and North Carolina started back channel talks last year. CBS is now anti SEC. And SwimSwam heard details from people who had business with schools. When I had business with those selling coaches equipment, and while tracking down NCAA violations in recruiting, I found such sources to be highly reliable. If you talk to school officials, they always deny pretty much everything until you put hard evidence in their hands and then the tune changes to concern. Here it's worse. If CBS called officials about realignment discussions, there is much liability at stake. You would absolutely get a flat denial. This proves nothing except there's money to be made on hooey right now.

I know what I hear from sound sources. Anything on TV, radio, or in print media for sale is strictly suspect. They profit from hysteria.

Clearly Mark, something is going on and has been. How many and when and what will be over and done before anyone knows and a date is set for a presser.

And as to the thread I count 7 to the SEC, 4 to the Big Ten (counting ND), and 4 to the composite P3. Should Vandy decide to skip the overhead 8 to the SEC.

For you last paragraph, what is your breakdown on teams to each conference?

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From a marketing standpoint nothing sells better than a North versus South billing. This is true across all levels of bowls. Now part of that is the reality that fan bases in both conferences travel well, but it appeals to viewers too. I say that to point out that proposed expansion targets in the North and West are large market additions. In the South it is the branding of the school. So Coast to Coast versus It Just Means More fits.

Because of this SEC and Big 10 expansion will stay relatively North and South, in part because of non-revenue sports travel overhead.

North Carolina's bone would be N.C. State's inclusion. Clemson and FSU are the most SEC like schools out there. Miami makes the grade and brings a good market. Virginia Tech is the school which I think gets the SEC because The Big 10 will need more Beltway exposure to amplify Maryland's reach. I think Duke goes B1G as well and so will Pitt or Syracuse. Cuse brings an important presence in New York and that will have to be weighed against Pitts AAU status and recent on field improvement. ND is the other. I see the Big 10 picking up Oregon, Washington and Stanford and then taking Colorado for Denver and a bridge.

The SEC may pick up Kansas. If hoops are freed of the NCAA Kansas has a massive upside with their hoops valuation at 400 million and football at 200 (which I doubt) should basketball more than double in value sans the NCAA Kansas basketball will pay better than half of the SEC's football.

The final slot for the SEC would be between Ga Tech (AAU and Atlanta) and Louisville (strong in all sports and the 2nd leading ACC revenue most years). And should Vandy decide not to spend lavishly upgrading facilities and should not want the overhead of pay for play, then they both get in anyway.

Now about this 100-million-dollar nonsense. These moves will be financed from a 12-16 team playoff in football which will make FOX and ESPN each a bit over a billion, and a Hoops Tourney which make them each a half billion more. The ACC costs ESPN a little over a half billion. They can pay 11 or 12 schools 600 million more in the SEC and Big 10, pay the other three or four another 40 million total and still profit 800 million and we aren't even talking regular season profits.

And BTW the word is each conference will have 24. It includes more markets, permits a more normal win / loss record, and it provides the right inventory quantity of games. It won't be as dire as some make it out to be.

These would be tectonic shifts…

Future 24 team SEC
- 15 committed programs + Vandy has rights-of-first-refusal (for #16)
- 6 likely ACC adds: FSU, Clemson, UNC, NCS, VT and Miami
- 1 likely B12 add: Kansas
- 1 or 2 (depending on Vandy decision) ACC wild-cards: Georgia Tech and/or Louisville

Future 24 team B1G
- 16 committed programs (including USC & UCLA)
- 4 likely PAC adds: Washington, Oregon, Stanford and Colorado
- 3 likely ACC adds: ND, UVa and Duke
- 1 ACC wild-card: Pitt or Syracuse

This scenario actually has the potential for 12 ACC teams moving.

(07-08-2022 08:35 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  No one is leaving the ACC. I bet ND even stays! ESPN has a plan! SEC, ACC, PAC will all be inventory!

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(07-08-2022 08:35 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  No one is leaving the ACC. I bet ND even stays! ESPN has a plan! SEC, ACC, PAC will all be inventory!

Well, getting the tournament out of the NCAA's hands is probably the only thing that would add enough value to keep the majority of the ACC together in some form or fashion. Whether that be a division under the SEC super umbrella or as a stand alone "conference".

I really don't know how I feel about that at this point. If there are only ~100 teams vying for 64 slots, the product is going to be pretty lame.

(07-08-2022 10:18 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 08:35 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  No one is leaving the ACC. I bet ND even stays! ESPN has a plan! SEC, ACC, PAC will all be inventory!

Well, getting the tournament out of the NCAA's hands is probably the only thing that would add enough value to keep the majority of the ACC together in some form or fashion. Whether that be a division under the SEC super umbrella or as a stand alone "conference".

I really don't know how I feel about that at this point. If there are only ~100 teams vying for 64 slots, the product is going to be pretty lame.

That ship needed to set sail at least 4 years ago to stop this. It's inevitable now.

(07-08-2022 10:18 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 08:35 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  No one is leaving the ACC. I bet ND even stays! ESPN has a plan! SEC, ACC, PAC will all be inventory!

Well, getting the tournament out of the NCAA's hands is probably the only thing that would add enough value to keep the majority of the ACC together in some form or fashion. Whether that be a division under the SEC super umbrella or as a stand alone "conference".

I really don't know how I feel about that at this point. If there are only ~100 teams vying for 64 slots, the product is going to be pretty lame.

That should've been done years ago. Now the SEC and B1G know they are in control and may decide to hold off on doing that until all of the basketball blue bloods are also under their control.

Really, you could say the whole story of the ACC is "things which should've been done years ago, but weren't"

(07-08-2022 10:29 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 10:18 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 08:35 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  No one is leaving the ACC. I bet ND even stays! ESPN has a plan! SEC, ACC, PAC will all be inventory!

Well, getting the tournament out of the NCAA's hands is probably the only thing that would add enough value to keep the majority of the ACC together in some form or fashion. Whether that be a division under the SEC super umbrella or as a stand alone "conference".

I really don't know how I feel about that at this point. If there are only ~100 teams vying for 64 slots, the product is going to be pretty lame.

That should've been done years ago. Now the SEC and B1G know they are in control and may decide to hold off on doing that until all of the basketball blue bloods are also under their control.

Really, you could say the whole story of the ACC is "things which should've been done years ago, but weren't"

Duke, Kansas, and Syracuse (and others) don’t really add value until the tournament is moved. I suppose they can add them and then start a NIT of sorts. Honestly would be pretty cool if they offered both tournaments again. CCNY has been holding that crown for far too long.

(07-08-2022 10:29 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 10:18 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 08:35 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  No one is leaving the ACC. I bet ND even stays! ESPN has a plan! SEC, ACC, PAC will all be inventory!

Well, getting the tournament out of the NCAA's hands is probably the only thing that would add enough value to keep the majority of the ACC together in some form or fashion. Whether that be a division under the SEC super umbrella or as a stand alone "conference".

I really don't know how I feel about that at this point. If there are only ~100 teams vying for 64 slots, the product is going to be pretty lame.

That should've been done years ago. Now the SEC and B1G know they are in control and may decide to hold off on doing that until all of the basketball blue bloods are also under their control.

Really, you could say the whole story of the ACC is "things which should've been done years ago, but weren't"

Mark, everyone needs to take a deep breath, wipe their minds, and look at this from the networks angle if anyone is going to understand what is happening and why.

Impetus for the change:

College football is broken for uncontrollable and obvious reasons. 22 of the last 25 championships have been won by schools in the Deep South. The rest of the nation has either tuned out because their schools are not a factor (The PAC 12) or they are tuning in less (Big 10 and the non Deep South ACC), or only some have big followings but only for a few hopefuls (Big Ten). The networks know this and want to do something about it because they can't change the fact that high school football remains a participation sport in the SE and SW while it has declined or is declining everywhere else. So FOX and ESPN are not only worried about college football's future but also that of the bonanza that feeds from it (the NFL). No network wants to give up the NFL but only two regions, an area of Southern California, Ohio and Pennsylvania still produce a lot of high school talent and have decent participation at the high school level.

Solution (which likely will prolong, not save football):

The top schools need access to more players. If you can't produce more players, you can divide the ones which exist among fewer top tier schools by shrinking that number to adapt to the supply. This gives us the need to shrink the P5.

No network has it in for a conference. They are just trying to preserve the sport. And what is this sports most successful model? The NFL. How and why does it work? It reaches all important markets, and it sustains itself with those while offering iconic brands for the bandwagon fan.

So what are ESPN and FOX paying for?

A structural change which preserves market reach, highlights brands, and gets fans to buy back in because regional divisions will provide each major market region a local school in an orderly playoff where participants play their way in instead of being selected.

Therefore, your obstacle now is competitiveness. NIL, Pay for play and a reduced number of schools means the current Deep South and Southwest will spread players around more which makes it more competitive and negates some of the domination that demographics have given to just 2 regions.

Why is the Big Ten and SEC paid so much more?

The networks know that the most watched games are when B1G brands play SEC brands. How do you make that work for the PAC and ACC? You relabel them as Big Ten and SEC and make all games essentially a regional rival (regular season) a competition for your league title (playoff) and the championship (which works most profitably for networks when the championship isn't between 2 schools 300 miles apart). So League Big 10 produces a champion who plays League SEC's champ. The college Superbowl which is by structure going to draw national attention and therefore massive revenue dwarfed only by that of the playoffs which created it.

The networks will not be paying for the individual value of each school. The system will be a closed one like the NFL. 48 schools is the oft cited number it could as easily be 32 or 56, but it will absolutely be less than 65. Anyway, the networks are paying 100 million plus to each school because they are buying the regular season, the playoffs and championship for all 48 or 56 schools. Which is about equal to the combined values of the P5's existing contracts. The cost to them will be the slightly more they will pay to those not making the jump in order to eliminate financial damages for remainders of contracts and bowl money for them.

To Pitt and Cuse fans I would say it's not about your value, it's about market reach and branding. You have a decent shot, better than most of you think, at inclusion. 3rd and 4th schools from a state less so, unless you have a massive brand. Yes, this is about football, but it will soon be about hoops as well.

We are all being transformed. And those who make it will be getting the most level playing field you've had in generations, and it should be a good thing. A very different thing to be sure, but a lot more competitive.

(07-08-2022 11:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 10:29 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 10:18 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 08:35 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  No one is leaving the ACC. I bet ND even stays! ESPN has a plan! SEC, ACC, PAC will all be inventory!

Well, getting the tournament out of the NCAA's hands is probably the only thing that would add enough value to keep the majority of the ACC together in some form or fashion. Whether that be a division under the SEC super umbrella or as a stand alone "conference".

I really don't know how I feel about that at this point. If there are only ~100 teams vying for 64 slots, the product is going to be pretty lame.

That should've been done years ago. Now the SEC and B1G know they are in control and may decide to hold off on doing that until all of the basketball blue bloods are also under their control.

Really, you could say the whole story of the ACC is "things which should've been done years ago, but weren't"

Mark, everyone needs to take a deep breath, wipe their minds, and look at this from the networks angle if anyone is going to understand what is happening and why.

Impetus for the change:

College football is broken for uncontrollable and obvious reasons. 22 of the last 25 championships have been won by schools in the Deep South. The rest of the nation has either tuned out because their schools are not a factor (The PAC 12) or they are tuning in less (Big 10 and the non Deep South ACC), or only some have big followings but only for a few hopefuls (Big Ten). The networks know this and want to do something about it because they can't change the fact that high school football remains a participation sport in the SE and SW while it has declined or is declining everywhere else. So FOX and ESPN are not only worried about college football's future but also that of the bonanza that feeds from it (the NFL). No network wants to give up the NFL but only two regions, an area of Southern California, Ohio and Pennsylvania still produce a lot of high school talent and have decent participation at the high school level.

Solution (which likely will prolong, not save football):

The top schools need access to more players. If you can't produce more players, you can divide the ones which exist among fewer top tier schools by shrinking that number to adapt to the supply. This gives us the need to shrink the P5.

No network has it in for a conference. They are just trying to preserve the sport. And what is this sports most successful model? The NFL. How and why does it work? It reaches all important markets, and it sustains itself with those while offering iconic brands for the bandwagon fan.

So what are ESPN and FOX paying for?

A structural change which preserves market reach, highlights brands, and gets fans to buy back in because regional divisions will provide each major market region a local school in an orderly playoff where participants play their way in instead of being selected.

Therefore, your obstacle now is competitiveness. NIL, Pay for play and a reduced number of schools means the current Deep South and Southwest will spread players around more which makes it more competitive and negates some of the domination that demographics have given to just 2 regions.

Why is the Big Ten and SEC paid so much more?

The networks know that the most watched games are when B1G brands play SEC brands. How do you make that work for the PAC and ACC? You relabel them as Big Ten and SEC and make all games essentially a regional rival (regular season) a competition for your league title (playoff) and the championship (which works most profitably for networks when the championship isn't between 2 schools 300 miles apart). So League Big 10 produces a champion who plays League SEC's champ. The college Superbowl which is by structure going to draw national attention and therefore massive revenue dwarfed only by that of the playoffs which created it.

The networks will not be paying for the individual value of each school. The system will be a closed one like the NFL. 48 schools is the oft cited number it could as easily be 32 or 56, but it will absolutely be less than 65. Anyway, the networks are paying 100 million plus to each school because they are buying the regular season, the playoffs and championship for all 48 or 56 schools. Which is about equal to the combined values of the P5's existing contracts. The cost to them will be the slightly more they will pay to those not making the jump in order to eliminate financial damages for remainders of contracts and bowl money for them.

To Pitt and Cuse fans I would say it's not about your value, it's about market reach and branding. You have a decent shot, better than most of you think, at inclusion. 3rd and 4th schools from a state less so, unless you have a massive brand. Yes, this is about football, but it will soon be about hoops as well.

We are all being transformed. And those who make it will be getting the most level playing field you've had in generations, and it should be a good thing. A very different thing to be sure, but a lot more competitive.

That all sounds good. I'm skeptical, but I hope it works out.

(07-07-2022 04:23 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 03:44 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  Syracuse will be in the ACC.

And that fact got me to thinking about the bizarre journey of Syracuse throughout the 80s, 90s, 00s, 10s, and potentially now the 20s.

Indy for football but in the late 70s, Providence, Georgetown, St. John's and Syracuse met to create the Big East conference in response to new NCAA scheduling requirements.

And in the 80s the Big East conference with TV partner ESPN became one of the top three premiere basketball conferences in the nation.

In the late 80s it became evident that in the following decade being an independent in football was not going to be sustainable for most programs outside of ND.

So in the early 90s Syracuse, Pitt, and BC got Miami on board and the Big East Football Conference was founded with the additions of WVU, VT, Rutgers, and Temple. Thanks to Miami during the beginning of the decade, VT's rise in the latter part of the decade when the Canes were having difficulty from their sanctions, and Syracuse being consistently good the little conference that couldn't showed that yes it could especially going forward into the early part of 00s.

But that wasn't meant to last when the ACC came calling for Miami and reluctantly agreed to first SU and BC as the Canes partners. And then changed their minds and took VT and stopped. And then a little down the road took BC. So led by Syracuse, Pitt, and WVU the Big East accepted UConn's elevation into the football conference, as well as invited Louisville, Cincinnati, and South Florida. By some miracle it did survive. And on the basketball side with Louisville, Cincy, and Marquette added to UConn, PItt, SU, Nova, and G'Town once again the basketball side was back to being one of the top two conferences.

Then ACC came calling again in the early 10s and took SU and Pitt. Maryland left but was replaced by Louisville. Unfortunately while the ACC has quite a few programs in football that SHOULD be performing at a higher level than they are it seems to be only FSU and Clemson consistently. The Big East was able to somewhat disguise this same flaw due to it only having 8 members. But the ACC has 14 of them. And Syracuse was one of the worse if not THE worse due to their past and relatively recent successes from the late 80s through the early 00s. Not championship game material but high bowl eligibility with a likelihood of winning said game. Basketball did better - 1 FF, and 2 other S16s, but had our first losing season under Boeheim last year.

So it's obvious to me we won't be in either of the Power 2 conferences - but it won't surprise me at all if Syracuse admins help take the lead in forging whatever the ACC morphs into after this mess is sorted out.

On the other hand there may not be an big upheaval. Who knows? I sure don't.

Cheers,
Neil

BC
UConn
Cuse
Temple
Pitt
WVU
Cincy
Louisville
Memphis
Wake

What a basketball league! Compact, regional, easily drive able. I would be a fan.

Edit : or as a ten team eastern division in a 20 or 30 team BRC.

You know VT might end up joining that group...

I’m interested to see how NIL continues to create great teams at the lower/mid level. Controversy is just going to grow wider than before IMO.

This idea that say Miss State is going to use their extra revenue to hire high price basketball coaches is bs. They’ll need to invest in football just to stay afloat in a super conference.

(07-08-2022 08:35 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  No one is leaving the ACC. I bet ND even stays! ESPN has a plan! SEC, ACC, PAC will all be inventory!

I agree

It’s interesting the same people who were claiming yesterday they heard from a friend of a friend who’s wife’s sister knows a guy that drove by The ACC offices and the lights were off and they knew for a fact 6 or 8 teams were going to break up The ACC GOR. All with the help of ESPN who wants to move all these teams to The SEC so they can pay them more.

All those inside sources are now backing away saying The ACC GOR is solid.

I guess the swimming blog guy didn’t know what was going on after all. I didn’t see that one coming

(07-08-2022 12:11 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 11:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 10:29 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 10:18 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 08:35 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  No one is leaving the ACC. I bet ND even stays! ESPN has a plan! SEC, ACC, PAC will all be inventory!

Well, getting the tournament out of the NCAA's hands is probably the only thing that would add enough value to keep the majority of the ACC together in some form or fashion. Whether that be a division under the SEC super umbrella or as a stand alone "conference".

I really don't know how I feel about that at this point. If there are only ~100 teams vying for 64 slots, the product is going to be pretty lame.

That should've been done years ago. Now the SEC and B1G know they are in control and may decide to hold off on doing that until all of the basketball blue bloods are also under their control.

Really, you could say the whole story of the ACC is "things which should've been done years ago, but weren't"

Mark, everyone needs to take a deep breath, wipe their minds, and look at this from the networks angle if anyone is going to understand what is happening and why.

Impetus for the change:

College football is broken for uncontrollable and obvious reasons. 22 of the last 25 championships have been won by schools in the Deep South. The rest of the nation has either tuned out because their schools are not a factor (The PAC 12) or they are tuning in less (Big 10 and the non Deep South ACC), or only some have big followings but only for a few hopefuls (Big Ten). The networks know this and want to do something about it because they can't change the fact that high school football remains a participation sport in the SE and SW while it has declined or is declining everywhere else. So FOX and ESPN are not only worried about college football's future but also that of the bonanza that feeds from it (the NFL). No network wants to give up the NFL but only two regions, an area of Southern California, Ohio and Pennsylvania still produce a lot of high school talent and have decent participation at the high school level.

Solution (which likely will prolong, not save football):

The top schools need access to more players. If you can't produce more players, you can divide the ones which exist among fewer top tier schools by shrinking that number to adapt to the supply. This gives us the need to shrink the P5.

No network has it in for a conference. They are just trying to preserve the sport. And what is this sports most successful model? The NFL. How and why does it work? It reaches all important markets, and it sustains itself with those while offering iconic brands for the bandwagon fan.

So what are ESPN and FOX paying for?

A structural change which preserves market reach, highlights brands, and gets fans to buy back in because regional divisions will provide each major market region a local school in an orderly playoff where participants play their way in instead of being selected.

Therefore, your obstacle now is competitiveness. NIL, Pay for play and a reduced number of schools means the current Deep South and Southwest will spread players around more which makes it more competitive and negates some of the domination that demographics have given to just 2 regions.

Why is the Big Ten and SEC paid so much more?

The networks know that the most watched games are when B1G brands play SEC brands. How do you make that work for the PAC and ACC? You relabel them as Big Ten and SEC and make all games essentially a regional rival (regular season) a competition for your league title (playoff) and the championship (which works most profitably for networks when the championship isn't between 2 schools 300 miles apart). So League Big 10 produces a champion who plays League SEC's champ. The college Superbowl which is by structure going to draw national attention and therefore massive revenue dwarfed only by that of the playoffs which created it.

The networks will not be paying for the individual value of each school. The system will be a closed one like the NFL. 48 schools is the oft cited number it could as easily be 32 or 56, but it will absolutely be less than 65. Anyway, the networks are paying 100 million plus to each school because they are buying the regular season, the playoffs and championship for all 48 or 56 schools. Which is about equal to the combined values of the P5's existing contracts. The cost to them will be the slightly more they will pay to those not making the jump in order to eliminate financial damages for remainders of contracts and bowl money for them.

To Pitt and Cuse fans I would say it's not about your value, it's about market reach and branding. You have a decent shot, better than most of you think, at inclusion. 3rd and 4th schools from a state less so, unless you have a massive brand. Yes, this is about football, but it will soon be about hoops as well.

We are all being transformed. And those who make it will be getting the most level playing field you've had in generations, and it should be a good thing. A very different thing to be sure, but a lot more competitive.

That all sounds good. I'm skeptical, but I hope it works out.

No, it doesn’t sound good to me. But I agree with a lot of what he is saying. The networks are determining the future of college football. It’s all about brands and value. They are going to squeeze it and shrink it until they get it to the brands that produce the most value all consolidated under one roof, or in this case two roofs. Just close your eyes and imagine one of them as the NFC and the other as the AFC. Vanderbilt and Rutgers are not safe long term. They’ll find away to squeeze them out as well. It will eventually be 32-48 brands. All the others will play under something similar to the FCS model. That’s the future of college football. It’s going to take some time for it all to settle out, but that’s the direction it’s going.

I agree that Basketball will be a serious playmaker in both the B1G as well as the SEC in the near future if the NCAA breakaway happens as it creates a year young interest in both conferences. That's why I believe schools that are good in both Football and Basketball will be more lucrative to both. Many ACC , BigXII schools fit the profile. Doubt any taken from the Big East Basketball conference without Football regardless of how good they are.

Can anyone tell me which conferences Fox own and which conferences ABC/ESPN own? Thanks.

(07-08-2022 03:02 PM)ArQ Wrote:  Can anyone tell me which conferences Fox own and which conferences ABC/ESPN own? Thanks.

For the purposes of this discussion

ACC owned by ESPN
ND split between ESPN and NBC

BiG owned by Fox

Big12 - majority ESPN with some Fox

PAC - split between ESPN and Fox

SEC owned by ESPN

All other conferences are peanuts.

https://twitter.com/ericcrawford/status/...8076385286

(07-08-2022 03:32 PM)AeroWolf Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 03:02 PM)ArQ Wrote:  Can anyone tell me which conferences Fox own and which conferences ABC/ESPN own? Thanks.

For the purposes of this discussion

ACC owned by ESPN
ND split between ESPN and NBC

BiG owned by Fox

Big12 - majority ESPN with some Fox

PAC - split between ESPN and Fox

SEC owned by ESPN

All other conferences are peanuts.

Hopefully, when the dust settles we’re sharing the same peanuts.

(07-08-2022 12:29 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 04:23 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 03:44 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  Syracuse will be in the ACC.

And that fact got me to thinking about the bizarre journey of Syracuse throughout the 80s, 90s, 00s, 10s, and potentially now the 20s.

Indy for football but in the late 70s, Providence, Georgetown, St. John's and Syracuse met to create the Big East conference in response to new NCAA scheduling requirements.

And in the 80s the Big East conference with TV partner ESPN became one of the top three premiere basketball conferences in the nation.

In the late 80s it became evident that in the following decade being an independent in football was not going to be sustainable for most programs outside of ND.

So in the early 90s Syracuse, Pitt, and BC got Miami on board and the Big East Football Conference was founded with the additions of WVU, VT, Rutgers, and Temple. Thanks to Miami during the beginning of the decade, VT's rise in the latter part of the decade when the Canes were having difficulty from their sanctions, and Syracuse being consistently good the little conference that couldn't showed that yes it could especially going forward into the early part of 00s.

But that wasn't meant to last when the ACC came calling for Miami and reluctantly agreed to first SU and BC as the Canes partners. And then changed their minds and took VT and stopped. And then a little down the road took BC. So led by Syracuse, Pitt, and WVU the Big East accepted UConn's elevation into the football conference, as well as invited Louisville, Cincinnati, and South Florida. By some miracle it did survive. And on the basketball side with Louisville, Cincy, and Marquette added to UConn, PItt, SU, Nova, and G'Town once again the basketball side was back to being one of the top two conferences.

Then ACC came calling again in the early 10s and took SU and Pitt. Maryland left but was replaced by Louisville. Unfortunately while the ACC has quite a few programs in football that SHOULD be performing at a higher level than they are it seems to be only FSU and Clemson consistently. The Big East was able to somewhat disguise this same flaw due to it only having 8 members. But the ACC has 14 of them. And Syracuse was one of the worse if not THE worse due to their past and relatively recent successes from the late 80s through the early 00s. Not championship game material but high bowl eligibility with a likelihood of winning said game. Basketball did better - 1 FF, and 2 other S16s, but had our first losing season under Boeheim last year.

So it's obvious to me we won't be in either of the Power 2 conferences - but it won't surprise me at all if Syracuse admins help take the lead in forging whatever the ACC morphs into after this mess is sorted out.

On the other hand there may not be an big upheaval. Who knows? I sure don't.

Cheers,
Neil

BC
UConn
Cuse
Temple
Pitt
WVU
Cincy
Louisville
Memphis
Wake

What a basketball league! Compact, regional, easily drive able. I would be a fan.

Edit : or as a ten team eastern division in a 20 or 30 team BRC.

You know VT might end up joining that group...

Yes, I know. VT is looking at being one of the last schools selected even if both the SEC and B1G go to 24. Just saying, it wouldn't be the end of the world.

I'm currently rooting for no change (maybe a partnership with the PacXX) to the ACC till 2036.

(07-08-2022 01:32 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 08:35 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  No one is leaving the ACC. I bet ND even stays! ESPN has a plan! SEC, ACC, PAC will all be inventory!

I agree

It’s interesting the same people who were claiming yesterday they heard from a friend of a friend who’s wife’s sister knows a guy that drove by The ACC offices and the lights were off and they knew for a fact 6 or 8 teams were going to break up The ACC GOR. All with the help of ESPN who wants to move all these teams to The SEC so they can pay them more.

All those inside sources are now backing away saying The ACC GOR is solid.

I guess the swimming blog guy didn’t know what was going on after all. I didn’t see that one coming

While I am not 100 percent sure whether the ACC will survive in 2036, I do think the ACC has some time.

Yes, USC and UCLA leaving the Pac was a shocking news. But that doesn’t mean that everyone else has to leave right away.

I don’t think ND will bolt now. The exit fee, the buyout, and the payment for the damage would be potentially really large. Also I am not sure if ND would want to get into a messy legal battle. How is the legal battle going to help the ND brand?

I noticed ND fans don’t talk about the immediate departure anymore. Maybe they figured that ND is not leaving at least for now.

10+ years are long time. What if Miami finally is BACK? What if the ACC actually becomes good at football? While I understand the current media deal is not ideal, that doesn’t mean that the next media deal would be equally bad.

I think there is a good chance for the ESPN and the ACC to work together to capitalize the current situation whether it’s a loose partnership or poaching some schools from the NB12 and/or the Pac 10. While the ACC will not catch up with the BIG/SEC right away, the partnership/expansion would solidify the ACC’s status as the #3 conference and strengthen the ACC’s position before the next media deal discussion.