(08-26-2022 02:54 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(08-26-2022 10:00 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 03:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 02:54 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 02:52 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  ...changing the subject (well, same topic, so... )

have y'all been hearing about a 'window' for possible B1G-BIGXII moves to grab PACs have to be made by October 15th, 2022? Not sure if that coincides with contracts or anything (The PAC negotiations 'deadline' for a new media deal MAY be that date)...

Watch Brett McMurphy on youtube sic'em 365 broadcast yesterday and that is what I got from it.

It could be something Brett picked up from MHVer guy. That guy keeps throwing out deadlines for the Big 12 grabbing the four corner schools, but nothing happened.

Like an "End of Days" Apocalyptic Pastor.

"The Drop Dead date for big 12/4C is Oct 15, er, Nov 7, er, Dec 32, no, wait, that's not a date, let me consult with the magic 8 ball..."

Clearly, no one wants to be the first to leave. (unless it's a B10 invite).

I don't see the nBig 12 leaving OSU and WSU by themselves.

Creating a strong western presence and at the same time take out a Power 5 conference should make the nBig 12 stronger. I believe in doing this, it will make them stronger than the ACC and keep them at the table. With the strength of the teams, there may be more at-large bids as there will be fewer autobids.

In men and women's basketball, softball and baseball, the nBig 12 will go toe to toe with the SEC and the BIG. In football, you'll see the nBig 12 in many of the marque bowl games and CFP games. Under nBig 12 leadership, the western division can flourish as the rest of the conference gets stronger. Many of the teams are in growing markets.

East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Memphis and West Virginia

Central: Baylor, Houston, Oklahoma State, TCU, and Texas Tech

West: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Kansas, Kansas State

Pacific: BYU, Oregon State, San Diego State, Utah, Washington State

This lineup leaves the nBig12 in good position once the ACC crumbles.

Other teams on the radar in a few years would be Boise State, UNLV, South Florida, Miami, SMU, Louisville, Georgia Tech, Pittsburgh, NCState, Virginia Tech and perhaps others. I see three powers going forward. The P2 and the nBig 12 who will be in striking distance.

(08-26-2022 02:54 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(08-26-2022 10:00 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 03:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 02:54 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 02:52 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  ...changing the subject (well, same topic, so... )

have y'all been hearing about a 'window' for possible B1G-BIGXII moves to grab PACs have to be made by October 15th, 2022? Not sure if that coincides with contracts or anything (The PAC negotiations 'deadline' for a new media deal MAY be that date)...

Watch Brett McMurphy on youtube sic'em 365 broadcast yesterday and that is what I got from it.

It could be something Brett picked up from MHVer guy. That guy keeps throwing out deadlines for the Big 12 grabbing the four corner schools, but nothing happened.

Like an "End of Days" Apocalyptic Pastor.

"The Drop Dead date for big 12/4C is Oct 15, er, Nov 7, er, Dec 32, no, wait, that's not a date, let me consult with the magic 8 ball..."

Clearly, no one wants to be the first to leave. (unless it's a B10 invite).

Someone needs to make Pac 12 Realignment Flow Chart.

(08-26-2022 02:59 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(08-26-2022 02:54 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(08-26-2022 10:00 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 03:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 02:54 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  Watch Brett McMurphy on youtube sic'em 365 broadcast yesterday and that is what I got from it.

It could be something Brett picked up from MHVer guy. That guy keeps throwing out deadlines for the Big 12 grabbing the four corner schools, but nothing happened.

Like an "End of Days" Apocalyptic Pastor.

"The Drop Dead date for big 12/4C is Oct 15, er, Nov 7, er, Dec 32, no, wait, that's not a date, let me consult with the magic 8 ball..."

Clearly, no one wants to be the first to leave. (unless it's a B10 invite).

I don't see the nBig 12 leaving OSU and WSU by themselves.

Creating a strong western presence and at the same time take out a Power 5 conference should make the nBig 12 stronger. I believe in doing this, it will make them stronger than the ACC and keep them at the table. With the strength of the teams, there may be more at-large bids as there will be fewer autobids.

In men and women's basketball, softball and baseball, the nBig 12 will go toe to toe with the SEC and the BIG. In football, you'll see the nBig 12 in many of the marque bowl games and CFP games. Under nBig 12 leadership, the western division can flourish as the rest of the conference gets stronger. Many of the teams are in growing markets.

East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Memphis and West Virginia

Central: Baylor, Houston, Oklahoma State, TCU, and Texas Tech

West: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Kansas, Kansas State

Pacific: BYU, Oregon State, San Diego State, Utah, Washington State

This lineup leaves the nBig12 in good position once the ACC crumbles.

Other teams on the radar in a few years would be Boise State, UNLV, South Florida, Miami, SMU, Louisville, Georgia Tech, Pittsburgh, NCState, Virginia Tech and perhaps others. I see three powers going forward. The P2 and the nBig 12 who will be in striking distance.

I don’t think this grasps the fundamental ecology of college sports. There are a few ecologic niches that schools successfully occupy.

Big Fish in Big Pond: your OSU, Bama type programs.

Medium fish in small pond: Your Boise, Cinci, USF or previously BYU, Utah, TCU programs.

Parasitic fish in big pond: the programs that feed off unhealthy Big Fish by garnering attention for wins over high profile schools. Your Oklahoma State or now Utah type program.

Nobody can play the parasite role in this nBigXII because there are no Big Fish to feed on. There’s too many medium fish and too few small fish for anybody to pull if the medium fish in small pond role. This is simply medium fish in a medium pond which is a recipe for mediocrity.

(08-26-2022 02:59 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(08-26-2022 02:54 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(08-26-2022 10:00 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 03:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 02:54 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  Watch Brett McMurphy on youtube sic'em 365 broadcast yesterday and that is what I got from it.

It could be something Brett picked up from MHVer guy. That guy keeps throwing out deadlines for the Big 12 grabbing the four corner schools, but nothing happened.

Like an "End of Days" Apocalyptic Pastor.

"The Drop Dead date for big 12/4C is Oct 15, er, Nov 7, er, Dec 32, no, wait, that's not a date, let me consult with the magic 8 ball..."

Clearly, no one wants to be the first to leave. (unless it's a B10 invite).

I don't see the nBig 12 leaving OSU and WSU by themselves.

Creating a strong western presence and at the same time take out a Power 5 conference should make the nBig 12 stronger. I believe in doing this, it will make them stronger than the ACC and keep them at the table. With the strength of the teams, there may be more at-large bids as there will be fewer autobids.

In men and women's basketball, softball and baseball, the nBig 12 will go toe to toe with the SEC and the BIG. In football, you'll see the nBig 12 in many of the marque bowl games and CFP games. Under nBig 12 leadership, the western division can flourish as the rest of the conference gets stronger. Many of the teams are in growing markets.

East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Memphis and West Virginia

Central: Baylor, Houston, Oklahoma State, TCU, and Texas Tech

West: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Kansas, Kansas State

Pacific: BYU, Oregon State, San Diego State, Utah, Washington State

This lineup leaves the nBig12 in good position once the ACC crumbles.

Other teams on the radar in a few years would be Boise State, UNLV, South Florida, Miami, SMU, Louisville, Georgia Tech, Pittsburgh, NCState, Virginia Tech and perhaps others. I see three powers going forward. The P2 and the nBig 12 who will be in striking distance.

I like this format though I would move the Zona schools to the Pacific and BYU and Utah to the West.

The survival of the PAC12 is not beholden with optimism.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/c...904067001/

(08-27-2022 07:24 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  The survival of the PAC12 is not beholden with optimism.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/c...904067001/

Very bleak outlook for the PAC

(08-26-2022 02:59 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(08-26-2022 02:54 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(08-26-2022 10:00 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 03:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 02:54 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  Watch Brett McMurphy on youtube sic'em 365 broadcast yesterday and that is what I got from it.

It could be something Brett picked up from MHVer guy. That guy keeps throwing out deadlines for the Big 12 grabbing the four corner schools, but nothing happened.

Like an "End of Days" Apocalyptic Pastor.

"The Drop Dead date for big 12/4C is Oct 15, er, Nov 7, er, Dec 32, no, wait, that's not a date, let me consult with the magic 8 ball..."

Clearly, no one wants to be the first to leave. (unless it's a B10 invite).

I don't see the nBig 12 leaving OSU and WSU by themselves.

Creating a strong western presence and at the same time take out a Power 5 conference should make the nBig 12 stronger. I believe in doing this, it will make them stronger than the ACC and keep them at the table. With the strength of the teams, there may be more at-large bids as there will be fewer autobids.

In men and women's basketball, softball and baseball, the nBig 12 will go toe to toe with the SEC and the BIG. In football, you'll see the nBig 12 in many of the marque bowl games and CFP games. Under nBig 12 leadership, the western division can flourish as the rest of the conference gets stronger. Many of the teams are in growing markets.

East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Memphis and West Virginia

Central: Baylor, Houston, Oklahoma State, TCU, and Texas Tech

West: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Kansas, Kansas State

Pacific: BYU, Oregon State, San Diego State, Utah, Washington State

This lineup leaves the nBig12 in good position once the ACC crumbles.

Other teams on the radar in a few years would be Boise State, UNLV, South Florida, Miami, SMU, Louisville, Georgia Tech, Pittsburgh, NCState, Virginia Tech and perhaps others. I see three powers going forward. The P2 and the nBig 12 who will be in striking distance.

Can’t see a Frankenstein league like that coming together.

(08-27-2022 08:23 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(08-27-2022 07:24 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  The survival of the PAC12 is not beholden with optimism.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/c...904067001/

Very bleak outlook for the PAC

The word "could" isn't the same as the word "will."

(08-27-2022 07:24 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  The survival of the PAC12 is not beholden with optimism.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/c...904067001/

Interesting summary of various sports-writers' thoughts. All seem to mirror what we have been debating here, so obviously they either lurkers of or are posting members of this forum.

(08-25-2022 01:24 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  I would agree with this if not for the risk of the imminent departure of up to 4 schools to the B1G. But to see this money the PAC12 schools will need to a GOR, which those 4 won't be willing to do. Otherwise, ESPN will either low ball them or will have to write the contract in some way that it decreases if those schools leave.

Big picture is that ESPN will not sign off on a 7 year deal with a value based on Oregon, Washington, and Stanford/Cal being in the conference fully knowing that these teams may leave before the deal even begins.

Agree that without a GOR the Pac-10 will be looking at $15M annually. The $24.5M ESPN offered this Summer likely included a GOR.

But if they can get a GOR, I'd expect the Pac to get $30M+ for their media distributions.