(10-15-2022 05:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-14-2022 06:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://ksuowls.com/news/2022/10/14/gene...24-25.aspx

Official statement.

Wow, how the once second-strongest G5 has fallen.

I thought the WAC was usually better than, or at least on par with Conference USA. The WAC got three BCS bids to C-USA's zero.

The WAC tried to become an FCS callup league in the early 2010s, but this strategy only worked for one year (2012) before the WAC was forced to fold its football conference altogether.

(10-15-2022 07:56 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(10-15-2022 05:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-14-2022 06:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://ksuowls.com/news/2022/10/14/gene...24-25.aspx

Official statement.

Wow, how the once second-strongest G5 has fallen.

CUSA hasn't fallen, per se. It's a new conference. The AAC is the old CUSA.

In CUSA 4.0, other than UTEP which joined in 2005, all the others have joined since 2013. The schools who started the conference in 1995 are long gone and honestly, it was always going to be that way. CUSA was initially a conglomeration of schools, many very good, but most were looking to get into the upper echelon of alignment and CUSA was a good stopping point on there way "up".

There was about a 20 year period in there from 1985 to 2005 where the club was able to consolidate without too many overall changes.

Programs like UC, UH, UCF used the last 20 years or so to get things together. Most of these CUSA 4.0 schools don't have the advantage of time.

(10-15-2022 12:11 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(10-15-2022 07:56 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(10-15-2022 05:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-14-2022 06:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://ksuowls.com/news/2022/10/14/gene...24-25.aspx

Official statement.

Wow, how the once second-strongest G5 has fallen.

CUSA hasn't fallen, per se. It's a new conference. The AAC is the old CUSA.

In CUSA 4.0, other than UTEP which joined in 2005, all the others have joined since 2013. The schools who started the conference in 1995 are long gone and honestly, it was always going to be that way. CUSA was initially a conglomeration of schools, many very good, but most were looking to get into the upper echelon of alignment and CUSA was a good stopping point on there way "up".

There was about a 20 year period in there from 1985 to 2005 where the club was able to consolidate without too many overall changes.

Programs like UC, UH, UCF used the last 20 years or so to get things together. Most of these CUSA 4.0 schools don't have the advantage of time.

Conference USA did not exist until 1996.

(10-15-2022 12:16 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(10-15-2022 12:11 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(10-15-2022 07:56 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(10-15-2022 05:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-14-2022 06:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://ksuowls.com/news/2022/10/14/gene...24-25.aspx

Official statement.

Wow, how the once second-strongest G5 has fallen.

CUSA hasn't fallen, per se. It's a new conference. The AAC is the old CUSA.

In CUSA 4.0, other than UTEP which joined in 2005, all the others have joined since 2013. The schools who started the conference in 1995 are long gone and honestly, it was always going to be that way. CUSA was initially a conglomeration of schools, many very good, but most were looking to get into the upper echelon of alignment and CUSA was a good stopping point on there way "up".

There was about a 20 year period in there from 1985 to 2005 where the club was able to consolidate without too many overall changes.

Programs like UC, UH, UCF used the last 20 years or so to get things together. Most of these CUSA 4.0 schools don't have the advantage of time.

Conference USA did not exist until 1996.

I know that. I'm talking generally about power consolidation.

(10-15-2022 11:51 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(10-15-2022 11:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-15-2022 07:56 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(10-15-2022 05:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-14-2022 06:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://ksuowls.com/news/2022/10/14/gene...24-25.aspx

Official statement.

Wow, how the once second-strongest G5 has fallen.

CUSA hasn't fallen, per se. It's a new conference. The AAC is the old CUSA.

In CUSA 4.0, other than UTEP which joined in 2005, all the others have joined since 2013. The schools who started the conference in 1995 are long gone and honestly, it was always going to be that way. CUSA was initially a conglomeration of schools, many very good, but most were looking to get into the upper echelon of alignment and CUSA was a good stopping point on there way "up".

I'm just saying, compared to 10 years ago this lineup is IMO a joke. How many FCS callups have there been?

I am not sure any FBS conference has resorted to this. Maybe I am wrong.

If I were WKU I would join the MAC.

The SBC within a five year period added I think 5 FCS teams.

The Wikipedia conference moves chart for the SCB is a mess ... I can't find the year when the SBC had five schools that had been FCS six year before. Could you pin that down?

Quote:Currently, CUSA has just 3 FCS callups...JaxSt, Kennesaw and Sam Houston.

Yeah, their other recent FCS school called themselves up.

(10-15-2022 12:42 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(10-15-2022 11:51 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(10-15-2022 11:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-15-2022 07:56 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(10-15-2022 05:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Wow, how the once second-strongest G5 has fallen.

CUSA hasn't fallen, per se. It's a new conference. The AAC is the old CUSA.

In CUSA 4.0, other than UTEP which joined in 2005, all the others have joined since 2013. The schools who started the conference in 1995 are long gone and honestly, it was always going to be that way. CUSA was initially a conglomeration of schools, many very good, but most were looking to get into the upper echelon of alignment and CUSA was a good stopping point on there way "up".

I'm just saying, compared to 10 years ago this lineup is IMO a joke. How many FCS callups have there been?

I am not sure any FBS conference has resorted to this. Maybe I am wrong.

If I were WKU I would join the MAC.

The SBC within a five year period added I think 5 FCS teams.

The Wikipedia conference moves chart for the SCB is a mess ... I can't find the year when the SBC had five schools that had been FCS six year before. Could you pin that down?

Quote:Currently, CUSA has just 3 FCS callups...JaxSt, Kennesaw and Sam Houston.

Yeah, their other recent FCS school called themselves up.

I checked. It was four. TexSt in 2013 (they had just moved up to FBs the year before), then AppSt and GASo in 2014 and then Coastal Carolina in 2016.

As for Liberty moving themselves up,, they moved to FBS in 2018 and 2019 and have been successful and will join CUSA in 2023, five years after moving up.

(10-15-2022 12:50 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(10-15-2022 12:42 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(10-15-2022 11:51 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(10-15-2022 11:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-15-2022 07:56 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  CUSA hasn't fallen, per se. It's a new conference. The AAC is the old CUSA.

In CUSA 4.0, other than UTEP which joined in 2005, all the others have joined since 2013. The schools who started the conference in 1995 are long gone and honestly, it was always going to be that way. CUSA was initially a conglomeration of schools, many very good, but most were looking to get into the upper echelon of alignment and CUSA was a good stopping point on there way "up".

I'm just saying, compared to 10 years ago this lineup is IMO a joke. How many FCS callups have there been?

I am not sure any FBS conference has resorted to this. Maybe I am wrong.

If I were WKU I would join the MAC.

The SBC within a five year period added I think 5 FCS teams.

The Wikipedia conference moves chart for the SCB is a mess ... I can't find the year when the SBC had five schools that had been FCS six year before. Could you pin that down?

Quote:Currently, CUSA has just 3 FCS callups...JaxSt, Kennesaw and Sam Houston.

Yeah, their other recent FCS school called themselves up.

I checked. It was four. TexSt in 2013 (they had just moved up to FBs the year before), then AppSt and GASo in 2014 and then Coastal Carolina in 2016.

As for Liberty moving themselves up,, they moved to FBS in 2018 and 2019 and have been successful and will join CUSA in 2023, five years after moving up.

Georgia St joined with Texas St in 2013. That’s 5.

(10-15-2022 01:12 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(10-15-2022 12:50 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(10-15-2022 12:42 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(10-15-2022 11:51 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(10-15-2022 11:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I'm just saying, compared to 10 years ago this lineup is IMO a joke. How many FCS callups have there been?

I am not sure any FBS conference has resorted to this. Maybe I am wrong.

If I were WKU I would join the MAC.

The SBC within a five year period added I think 5 FCS teams.

The Wikipedia conference moves chart for the SCB is a mess ... I can't find the year when the SBC had five schools that had been FCS six year before. Could you pin that down?

Quote:Currently, CUSA has just 3 FCS callups...JaxSt, Kennesaw and Sam Houston.

Yeah, their other recent FCS school called themselves up.

I checked. It was four. TexSt in 2013 (they had just moved up to FBs the year before), then AppSt and GASo in 2014 and then Coastal Carolina in 2016.

As for Liberty moving themselves up,, they moved to FBS in 2018 and 2019 and have been successful and will join CUSA in 2023, five years after moving up.

Georgia St joined with Texas St in 2013. That’s 5.

That's correct. I forgot about them because they had originally joined in 1976 (no football at that time) and I'd sorted the list by join date, forgetting that they had rejoined with their FCS callup football in 2013.

(10-15-2022 12:01 PM)Poster Wrote:  I thought the WAC was usually better than, or at least on par with Conference USA. The WAC got three BCS bids to C-USA's zero.

The WAC tried to become an FCS callup league in the early 2010s, but this strategy only worked for one year (2012) before the WAC was forced to fold its football conference altogether.

The pre-1996 WAC sans UTEP became the Mountain West. Fresno State and Hawaii didn't make the cut in 1999, but eventually were reunited with the historical core of the WAC. UTEP would of course head to C-USA.

Only three of the 1996 additions (TCU, SMU, Rice, Tulsa, UNLV, San Jose State) would join the MWC, and TCU punched a P5 ticket. The other SWC schools and Tulsa wound up in C-USA.

The WAC and Sun Belt killed off Big West football after the 2000 season with Boise State heading to the WAC; and NMSU, Utah State, Idaho, North Texas, and Arkansas State heading to the Sun Belt. Utah State and Boise State of course wound up in the MWC. New Mexico State and Idaho did not.

So basically Big West football died twice - once as the Big West, once as the WAC. The second time Arkansas State and North Texas just happened to be replaced by Texas State and UTSA.

The Big West struggled to get schools in the Mountain and Pacific Time Zones to move up to I-A/FBS. It got Nevada, Boise State, and Idaho, but most of the Big Sky was not willing and able to move up. The same fate eventually befell the WAC.

Had the WAC only expanded to 12 in 1996 it would still be a FBS conference today. Nevada would have likely replaced either UTEP in 2005 or TCU in 2012. Utah State and Boise State would have replaced BYU and Utah.

South Alabama, Charlotte, ODU, UTSA, MTSU ans WKU were also schools called up from FCS ranks as well within the last 20 years. JMU would be the latest for SBC.

22 schools went full FBS conference between 2002 to 2022 to 24 seasons.
UCF, Troy, FAU and FIU were not full FBS members, and neither was South Alabama and Western Kentucky.

(10-15-2022 02:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  22 schools went full FBS conference between 2002 to 2022 to 24 seasons.
UCF, Troy, FAU and FIU were not full FBS members, and neither was South Alabama and Western Kentucky.

Not sure what you're trying to say here. WKU and Troy played I-AA/FCS ball for many years before moving to I-A/FBS. South Alabama was "unclassified" until the moratorium on changes of divisions (including subdivisions for football) expired in 2011. They immediately applied for FBS and spent the two required seasons on transition - the first year they were considered a FCS independent for scheduling purposes, the next year they were considered FBS for scheduling purposes.

UCF made the I-AA playoffs in 1990 and 1993. They started out as independent in I-A before eventually joining the MAC for football only (Other sports were in the Atlantic Sun). UCF became a full member of C-USA in 2005 and has been a full member of a FBS conference ever since.

South Alabama is also one of a small number of schools who have never changed conferences.