Very little is new, but lots of things have new names.

The social/cultural things you find deep in the origins of something have a tendency to carry forward. This is why old Methodist U's, Baptist U's, Catholic U's, Civic U's, Land Grant U's, Colonial U's, and State U's end up looking so similar decades and centuries later.

Methodists - Auburn/Syracuse/Emory/Duke/SMU/Vandy/NW - now Auburn went broke, then was broken by the Civil War, then had Bama on it's ass for a century - hence one of the reasons Auburn is a little different from it's Methodist kith and kin.

Catholics - Do I really know the difference between a Jesuit, a Priest, a Pope, and a Nun, - does it matter? I do know that ND, BC, Georgetown, St. Johns, and Villanova are Catholic. They seem to keep Universities smaller and more structured than your Animal House analogues.

Baptists - WF and Furman dropped the Southern Baptist Convention. Argument and controversy follow the Baptist Church because their governing structure is non-hierarchical encouraging splitting off. Baylor has been a poster child for controversy this last decade or so.

The Colonial Snobs took their ball and went home.

The Cow Colleges cluster next to each other like so many of the football fields look out over an old or a continuing cow pasture - Penn State, VT, NC State - others step forward and accept your cow bell.

The Civic crowd are your city colleges - Pitt, Miami, Cincy, etc., etc. Egalitarian, less snobish.

Then you have State U's whose feces never stink like UNC, Michigan, Cal, etc., etc - all so assured they are better than everyone else because they were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a triple.

If you have been offended you are probably a poor reader as this is meant to be funny but also satirical. It's very difficult to change who and what you are. Your past shapes you. The past shapes the individual P-5's. If the P-5 you pull for has not won a national title in the last 40 years - you aint winnin' one in your lifetime.

Nothing against SMU, but I would hate to see SMU on an Island and besides I’d really like to see the ACC strengthen the foot print they currently have even if this means waiting for 8 or 9 years. Ideally, the ACC would get WVU and the BigXIV gets SMU, I mean WVU is out on an Island and in a sparsely populated state, they would mean more to the ACC and the BigXIV would unhitch themselves to a burdensome travel expense.

(11-01-2022 03:39 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(11-01-2022 02:43 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  If the ACC wants to get into Texas, they should have done it last year. Instead Phillips was foolishly pursuing ND.

SMU is not a bad option but I really doubt the ACC would add only SMU.

As a lifelong Methodist, are you aware of how small SMU is? The fundamental problem in the ACC is that WF, BC, and Duke are tiny, tiny schools.

The notion of a Magnolia League is actually a re varnished Methodist Church league, give that Vandy, Trinity, SMU, and Emory are all old Methodist built institutions before the big endowments.

Unlike those schools, SMU fans actually care about football.

https://www.fox4news.com/sports/smu-gets...-expansion

(11-01-2022 03:39 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(11-01-2022 02:43 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  If the ACC wants to get into Texas, they should have done it last year. Instead Phillips was foolishly pursuing ND.

SMU is not a bad option but I really doubt the ACC would add only SMU.

As a lifelong Methodist, are you aware of how small SMU is? The fundamental problem in the ACC is that WF, BC, and Duke are tiny, tiny schools.

The notion of a Magnolia League is actually a re varnished Methodist Church league, give that Vandy, Trinity, SMU, and Emory are all old Methodist built institutions before the big endowments.

Thanks. I learn something new everyday. The religion is less and less important in America and most colleges became secularized although history still matters.

As for SMU, they are similar in size compared to TCU and got a bigger endowment. They certainly have money. But SMU lacks strong following and history.

According to Dallasnews, SMU’s biggest rivals are: TCU, North Texas, UConn, Rice, and Navy. Not very P5 inspiring.

(10-31-2022 03:07 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I think the Big Ten's fake alliance with the ACC and Pac-12 is what killed this, not ESPN.

I'm coming around to this view as well. The more time passes, the bigger that 'Alliance' phase looms.

Everyone agreed to stay put instead of raiding a neighboring conference. Except one league was quietly raiding a neighboring conference.

It's so easy to shoot ducks when you persuade them to sit first.

(11-02-2022 06:11 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(11-01-2022 03:39 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(11-01-2022 02:43 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  If the ACC wants to get into Texas, they should have done it last year. Instead Phillips was foolishly pursuing ND.

SMU is not a bad option but I really doubt the ACC would add only SMU.

As a lifelong Methodist, are you aware of how small SMU is? The fundamental problem in the ACC is that WF, BC, and Duke are tiny, tiny schools.

The notion of a Magnolia League is actually a re varnished Methodist Church league, give that Vandy, Trinity, SMU, and Emory are all old Methodist built institutions before the big endowments.

Thanks. I learn something new everyday. The religion is less and less important in America and most colleges became secularized although history still matters.

As for SMU, they are similar in size compared to TCU and got a bigger endowment. They certainly have money. But SMU lacks strong following and history.

According to Dallasnews, SMU’s biggest rivals are: TCU, North Texas, UConn, Rice, and Navy. Not very P5 inspiring.

Despite their names and some funding from their churches, SMU and TCU aren't very religious-focused universities (as compared to say Baylor , BYU or Liberty).

SMU has a larger endowment because they have a wealthy alumni base. I recall reading at one point they were second only to Harvard with the number of billionaire alums. I believe it is still the most expensive college in Texas. That being said, while the alums have a lot of wealth to pass along to the school, they don't show up to football games in spades. The stands are generally half empty and most of the spectators lounge on a hill outside one of the endozones and from what I have seen appear to be doing things other than watching the game (see picture, the hill is not as crowded as it usually is).

(11-01-2022 04:30 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Very little is new, but lots of things have new names.

The social/cultural things you find deep in the origins of something have a tendency to carry forward. This is why old Methodist U's, Baptist U's, Catholic U's, Civic U's, Land Grant U's, Colonial U's, and State U's end up looking so similar decades and centuries later.

Methodists - Auburn/Syracuse/Emory/Duke/SMU/Vandy/NW - now Auburn went broke, then was broken by the Civil War, then had Bama on it's ass for a century - hence one of the reasons Auburn is a little different from it's Methodist kith and kin.

Catholics - Do I really know the difference between a Jesuit, a Priest, a Pope, and a Nun, - does it matter? I do know that ND, BC, Georgetown, St. Johns, and Villanova are Catholic. They seem to keep Universities smaller and more structured than your Animal House analogues.

Baptists - WF and Furman dropped the Southern Baptist Convention. Argument and controversy follow the Baptist Church because their governing structure is non-hierarchical encouraging splitting off. Baylor has been a poster child for controversy this last decade or so.

The Colonial Snobs took their ball and went home.

The Cow Colleges cluster next to each other like so many of the football fields look out over an old or a continuing cow pasture - Penn State, VT, NC State - others step forward and accept your cow bell.

The Civic crowd are your city colleges - Pitt, Miami, Cincy, etc., etc. Egalitarian, less snobish.

Then you have State U's whose feces never stink like UNC, Michigan, Cal, etc., etc - all so assured they are better than everyone else because they were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a triple.

If you have been offended you are probably a poor reader as this is meant to be funny but also satirical. It's very difficult to change who and what you are. Your past shapes you. The past shapes the individual P-5's. If the P-5 you pull for has not won a national title in the last 40 years - you aint winnin' one in your lifetime.

"The University of Notre Dame was founded in November 1842 by Rev. Edward F. Sorin, C.S.C., a priest of the Congregation of Holy Cross, a French missionary order. It is located adjacent to South Bend, Indiana, the center of a metropolitan area with a population of more than 315,000. Chartered by the state of Indiana in 1844, the University was governed by the Holy Cross priests until 1967, when governance was transferred to a two-tiered, mixed board of lay and religious trustees and fellows."


https://www.nd.edu/about/


"The Catholic nature of Notre Dame is visibly evident in a variety of ways on campus. The 43 Holy Cross priests in residence provide a steadfast spiritual presence that extends to the residence halls, classrooms, and the quads. More than 100 Masses are celebrated each week on campus at more than 50 on-campus chapels. And more than 80 percent of Notre Dame students participate in some form of service learning, even while they study abroad. Our faith is not just a characteristic present at our founding and then slowly relegated to the past. It is an inextricable part of Notre Dame's identity today and will continue to be in the future."


https://www.nd.edu/faith-and-service/

(11-02-2022 10:47 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-01-2022 04:30 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Very little is new, but lots of things have new names.

The social/cultural things you find deep in the origins of something have a tendency to carry forward. This is why old Methodist U's, Baptist U's, Catholic U's, Civic U's, Land Grant U's, Colonial U's, and State U's end up looking so similar decades and centuries later.

Methodists - Auburn/Syracuse/Emory/Duke/SMU/Vandy/NW - now Auburn went broke, then was broken by the Civil War, then had Bama on it's ass for a century - hence one of the reasons Auburn is a little different from it's Methodist kith and kin.

Catholics - Do I really know the difference between a Jesuit, a Priest, a Pope, and a Nun, - does it matter? I do know that ND, BC, Georgetown, St. Johns, and Villanova are Catholic. They seem to keep Universities smaller and more structured than your Animal House analogues.

Baptists - WF and Furman dropped the Southern Baptist Convention. Argument and controversy follow the Baptist Church because their governing structure is non-hierarchical encouraging splitting off. Baylor has been a poster child for controversy this last decade or so.

The Colonial Snobs took their ball and went home.

The Cow Colleges cluster next to each other like so many of the football fields look out over an old or a continuing cow pasture - Penn State, VT, NC State - others step forward and accept your cow bell.

The Civic crowd are your city colleges - Pitt, Miami, Cincy, etc., etc. Egalitarian, less snobish.

Then you have State U's whose feces never stink like UNC, Michigan, Cal, etc., etc - all so assured they are better than everyone else because they were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a triple.

If you have been offended you are probably a poor reader as this is meant to be funny but also satirical. It's very difficult to change who and what you are. Your past shapes you. The past shapes the individual P-5's. If the P-5 you pull for has not won a national title in the last 40 years - you aint winnin' one in your lifetime.

"The University of Notre Dame was founded in November 1842 by Rev. Edward F. Sorin, C.S.C., a priest of the Congregation of Holy Cross, a French missionary order. It is located adjacent to South Bend, Indiana, the center of a metropolitan area with a population of more than 315,000. Chartered by the state of Indiana in 1844, the University was governed by the Holy Cross priests until 1967, when governance was transferred to a two-tiered, mixed board of lay and religious trustees and fellows."


https://www.nd.edu/about/


"The Catholic nature of Notre Dame is visibly evident in a variety of ways on campus. The 43 Holy Cross priests in residence provide a steadfast spiritual presence that extends to the residence halls, classrooms, and the quads. More than 100 Masses are celebrated each week on campus at more than 50 on-campus chapels. And more than 80 percent of Notre Dame students participate in some form of service learning, even while they study abroad. Our faith is not just a characteristic present at our founding and then slowly relegated to the past. It is an inextricable part of Notre Dame's identity today and will continue to be in the future."


https://www.nd.edu/faith-and-service/

Nothing like guilt-ridden Catholic Girls Baptist girls can be ridden all Saturday night and never feel guild on Sunday.

(11-01-2022 04:30 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Very little is new, but lots of things have new names.

The social/cultural things you find deep in the origins of something have a tendency to carry forward. This is why old Methodist U's, Baptist U's, Catholic U's, Civic U's, Land Grant U's, Colonial U's, and State U's end up looking so similar decades and centuries later.

Methodists - Auburn/Syracuse/Emory/Duke/SMU/Vandy/NW - now Auburn went broke, then was broken by the Civil War, then had Bama on it's ass for a century - hence one of the reasons Auburn is a little different from it's Methodist kith and kin.

Catholics - Do I really know the difference between a Jesuit, a Priest, a Pope, and a Nun, - does it matter? I do know that ND, BC, Georgetown, St. Johns, and Villanova are Catholic. They seem to keep Universities smaller and more structured than your Animal House analogues.

Baptists - WF and Furman dropped the Southern Baptist Convention. Argument and controversy follow the Baptist Church because their governing structure is non-hierarchical encouraging splitting off. Baylor has been a poster child for controversy this last decade or so.

The Colonial Snobs took their ball and went home.

The Cow Colleges cluster next to each other like so many of the football fields look out over an old or a continuing cow pasture - Penn State, VT, NC State - others step forward and accept your cow bell.

The Civic crowd are your city colleges - Pitt, Miami, Cincy, etc., etc. Egalitarian, less snobish.

Then you have State U's whose feces never stink like UNC, Michigan, Cal, etc., etc - all so assured they are better than everyone else because they were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a triple.

If you have been offended you are probably a poor reader as this is meant to be funny but also satirical. It's very difficult to change who and what you are. Your past shapes you. The past shapes the individual P-5's. If the P-5 you pull for has not won a national title in the last 40 years - you aint winnin' one in your lifetime.

You forgot our military brothers at VMI and the Citadel!

Where would you place Richmond, civic? Wasn't it founded Baptist?

(10-31-2022 06:14 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  I can't understand why this is XII deal is unfolding this way. There are a couple things that could be in play....maybe?

1) The ACC has been promised a raise of some kind in the near future.

2) ESPN doesn't value certain XII schools enough to move them into the ACC? Personally, I can't believe putting a Texas school in the ACCN isn't appealing to ESPN given their 50% ownership of the ACCN. Instead of monetizing someone like TCU and or Baylor and their brands/ratings, they instead split them with FOX? Makes no sense to me, but again, perhaps ESPN doesn't really like those schools' ratings? Hard to believe this is true.

3) Notre Dame is closer to joining than everyone thinks? This makes zero sense to me as well and almost seems silly to even suggest.

4) Maybe FOX/ESPN is using the XII deal to lure away some PAC schools in order dissolve the PAC? Doing so would mean they would later need to divest the XII and then move some CTZ/ETZ schools to the ACC? I guess this is possible? The timing of the XII deal being expedited while the PAC sits idly by is curious to me.

Jim Phillips inherited a mess of a contract and I don't envy his position.

The bloom is off of the Irish Rose.
When Notre Dame played at Chapel Hill earlier this year, there were many Irish fans that poured into Kenan Stadium. It was great to have so many guests.
What didn't pour in were Carolina fans. The game simply wasn't a big deal...there were lots of empty seats in my section (127).
Maybe the situation is unique to Carolina, but it doesn't appear as if the excitement level of Notre Dame's participation could rise to the level of being the savior of ACC football.

(11-04-2022 05:17 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 06:14 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  I can't understand why this is XII deal is unfolding this way. There are a couple things that could be in play....maybe?

1) The ACC has been promised a raise of some kind in the near future.

2) ESPN doesn't value certain XII schools enough to move them into the ACC? Personally, I can't believe putting a Texas school in the ACCN isn't appealing to ESPN given their 50% ownership of the ACCN. Instead of monetizing someone like TCU and or Baylor and their brands/ratings, they instead split them with FOX? Makes no sense to me, but again, perhaps ESPN doesn't really like those schools' ratings? Hard to believe this is true.

3) Notre Dame is closer to joining than everyone thinks? This makes zero sense to me as well and almost seems silly to even suggest.

4) Maybe FOX/ESPN is using the XII deal to lure away some PAC schools in order dissolve the PAC? Doing so would mean they would later need to divest the XII and then move some CTZ/ETZ schools to the ACC? I guess this is possible? The timing of the XII deal being expedited while the PAC sits idly by is curious to me.

Jim Phillips inherited a mess of a contract and I don't envy his position.

The bloom is off of the Irish Rose.
When Notre Dame played at Chapel Hill earlier this year, there were many Irish fans that poured into Kenan Stadium. It was great to have so many guests.
What didn't pour in were Carolina fans. The game simply wasn't a big deal...there were lots of empty seats in my section (127).
Maybe the situation is unique to Carolina, but it doesn't appear as if the excitement level of Notre Dame's participation could rise to the level of being the savior of ACC football.

Fantastic. ND football has no value and you guys don't want it.

(Wasn't the recent ND/Syracuse game a rare Orange sellout? ND/Clemson may likely draw flies with no excitement or TV ratings?)

I am glad that we have that sorted out.

That means that everyone can stop talking about ND football to the ACC now.

Thank God for that.

Now, cut the ND football commitment to three games (or none) so the ACC can grow other roses.

Perhaps the Carolina Mafia will lead the charge to expel ND from the ACC, entirely. That may be the best move.

I am sure that the Carolina brass is mulling over all of the many other potential "Savior" options right now, Lance.


(P.S. Who designated ND as a potential ACC "savior" anyway, Lance ? It sure wasn't ND itself, who doesn't want that role at all. It must have been someone inside the ACC)

(11-04-2022 09:11 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-04-2022 05:17 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 06:14 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  I can't understand why this is XII deal is unfolding this way. There are a couple things that could be in play....maybe?

1) The ACC has been promised a raise of some kind in the near future.

2) ESPN doesn't value certain XII schools enough to move them into the ACC? Personally, I can't believe putting a Texas school in the ACCN isn't appealing to ESPN given their 50% ownership of the ACCN. Instead of monetizing someone like TCU and or Baylor and their brands/ratings, they instead split them with FOX? Makes no sense to me, but again, perhaps ESPN doesn't really like those schools' ratings? Hard to believe this is true.

3) Notre Dame is closer to joining than everyone thinks? This makes zero sense to me as well and almost seems silly to even suggest.

4) Maybe FOX/ESPN is using the XII deal to lure away some PAC schools in order dissolve the PAC? Doing so would mean they would later need to divest the XII and then move some CTZ/ETZ schools to the ACC? I guess this is possible? The timing of the XII deal being expedited while the PAC sits idly by is curious to me.

Jim Phillips inherited a mess of a contract and I don't envy his position.

The bloom is off of the Irish Rose.
When Notre Dame played at Chapel Hill earlier this year, there were many Irish fans that poured into Kenan Stadium. It was great to have so many guests.
What didn't pour in were Carolina fans. The game simply wasn't a big deal...there were lots of empty seats in my section (127).
Maybe the situation is unique to Carolina, but it doesn't appear as if the excitement level of Notre Dame's participation could rise to the level of being the savior of ACC football.

Fantastic. ND football has no value and you guys don't want it.

(Wasn't the recent ND/Syracuse game a rare Orange sellout? ND/Clemson may likely draw flies with no excitement or TV ratings?)

I am glad that we have that sorted out.

That means that everyone can stop talking about ND football to the ACC now.

Thank God for that.

Now, cut the ND football commitment to three games (or none) so the ACC can grow other roses.

Perhaps the Carolina Mafia will lead the charge to expel ND from the ACC, entirely. That may be the best move.

I am sure that the Carolina brass is mulling over all of the many other potential "Savior" options right now, Lance.


(P.S. Who designated ND as a potential ACC "savior" anyway, Lance ? It sure wasn't ND itself, who doesn't want that role at all. It must have been someone inside the ACC)

I was at that game too. It was a pathetic Tar Heel turnout and I was extremely disappointed. The team didn't show up either and it's still the only blemish on the record.

I went to a UNC-ND game in the late 2000's. The stadium was packed! Irish fans singing fight songs in the bathrooms at halftime when they were up. The Heels won and Charlie Weis moved faster than I've ever seen him to get on the bus and get out of Chapel Hill! It was an awesome experience.

Mack's solid reputation as North Carolina's most successful used car salesman came back to bite with this years ND game.

The performances against App and Ga State made Mack look like he was full of **** again. The game was nationally televised at 3:30 PM on ABC. While Chapel Hill and Kenan are not the worst physical environments to play a football in the ACC they are right up there with BC, Duke, and UVa.

The ptb in the Rams Club are really old - some really, really old. ND had already lost games and looked bad doing it.

The "bloom" is somewhat off the rose, but at the end of the day UNC became a "girls" school some 15-20 years ago by virtue of the enrollment and especially by the lack of engineering, ag, vet, pulp and paper, and textiles programs. A joint degree with NC State or Duke doesn't fix that problem. Everyone person who graduate from UNC-Ch and is under the age of 45 did so in an increasing "female" oriented school that doesn't support traditionally male-oriented football values. That does not mean that women are not and can not be football fans - I'm talking about the underlying culture.

I know folks who specifically did not attend the game because they had lost confidence in Mack.

But with all this, you still have to hack your way through the Medical Center and their continuing new construction to get to the stadium. If you don't know Chapel Hill and the UNC campus very well, it's a difficult trip.

(11-04-2022 10:05 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-04-2022 09:11 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-04-2022 05:17 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 06:14 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  I can't understand why this is XII deal is unfolding this way. There are a couple things that could be in play....maybe?

1) The ACC has been promised a raise of some kind in the near future.

2) ESPN doesn't value certain XII schools enough to move them into the ACC? Personally, I can't believe putting a Texas school in the ACCN isn't appealing to ESPN given their 50% ownership of the ACCN. Instead of monetizing someone like TCU and or Baylor and their brands/ratings, they instead split them with FOX? Makes no sense to me, but again, perhaps ESPN doesn't really like those schools' ratings? Hard to believe this is true.

3) Notre Dame is closer to joining than everyone thinks? This makes zero sense to me as well and almost seems silly to even suggest.

4) Maybe FOX/ESPN is using the XII deal to lure away some PAC schools in order dissolve the PAC? Doing so would mean they would later need to divest the XII and then move some CTZ/ETZ schools to the ACC? I guess this is possible? The timing of the XII deal being expedited while the PAC sits idly by is curious to me.

Jim Phillips inherited a mess of a contract and I don't envy his position.

The bloom is off of the Irish Rose.
When Notre Dame played at Chapel Hill earlier this year, there were many Irish fans that poured into Kenan Stadium. It was great to have so many guests.
What didn't pour in were Carolina fans. The game simply wasn't a big deal...there were lots of empty seats in my section (127).
Maybe the situation is unique to Carolina, but it doesn't appear as if the excitement level of Notre Dame's participation could rise to the level of being the savior of ACC football.

Fantastic. ND football has no value and you guys don't want it.

(Wasn't the recent ND/Syracuse game a rare Orange sellout? ND/Clemson may likely draw flies with no excitement or TV ratings?)

I am glad that we have that sorted out.

That means that everyone can stop talking about ND football to the ACC now.

Thank God for that.

Now, cut the ND football commitment to three games (or none) so the ACC can grow other roses.

Perhaps the Carolina Mafia will lead the charge to expel ND from the ACC, entirely. That may be the best move.

I am sure that the Carolina brass is mulling over all of the many other potential "Savior" options right now, Lance.


(P.S. Who designated ND as a potential ACC "savior" anyway, Lance ? It sure wasn't ND itself, who doesn't want that role at all. It must have been someone inside the ACC)

I was at that game too. It was a pathetic Tar Heel turnout and I was extremely disappointed. The team didn't show up either and it's still the only blemish on the record.

I went to a UNC-ND game in the late 2000's. The stadium was packed! Irish fans singing fight songs in the bathrooms at halftime when they were up. The Heels won and Charlie Weis moved faster than I've ever seen him to get on the bus and get out of Chapel Hill! It was an awesome experience.

Perhaps Carolina is just tired of losing to ND football other than that rare win against Charlie Weis?

(a large number of other programs also scored rare ND wins when Charlie was there)

Maybe that explains the Carolina ND malaise Lance mentions.

23 Games

Notre Dame leads series, 21-2-0


Longest winning streak by Notre Dame: 10 games

Longest winning streak by North Carolina: 1 game


Largest margin of victory by Notre Dame: +36 (1949-11-12)

Largest margin of victory by North Carolina: +5 (1960-10-08)

It hasn't been much of a contest, quite frankly.


https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/pla...h-carolina

Shame on you Terry for defaming Choo Choo like that.

(11-04-2022 11:22 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Shame on you Terry for defaming Choo Choo like that.

I have absolutely no idea who or what that is.

Wait, do you mean Charlie Weis?

My bad. Perhaps an ACC team can hire him for a "decided schematic advantage" too?

(11-04-2022 11:26 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-04-2022 11:22 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Shame on you Terry for defaming Choo Choo like that.

I have absolutely no idea who or what that is.

Wait, do you mean Charlie Weis?

My bad. Perhaps an ACC team can hire him for a "decided schematic advantage" too?

You put down one of UNC's teams from the 40's which means you put down Carl Snavely and Charlie "Choo Choo" Justice. He of the highest paid football player in America - finished second in the Heisman twice.

You stabbed directly into the soul of UNC football.

(11-04-2022 11:18 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-04-2022 10:05 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-04-2022 09:11 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-04-2022 05:17 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 06:14 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  I can't understand why this is XII deal is unfolding this way. There are a couple things that could be in play....maybe?

1) The ACC has been promised a raise of some kind in the near future.

2) ESPN doesn't value certain XII schools enough to move them into the ACC? Personally, I can't believe putting a Texas school in the ACCN isn't appealing to ESPN given their 50% ownership of the ACCN. Instead of monetizing someone like TCU and or Baylor and their brands/ratings, they instead split them with FOX? Makes no sense to me, but again, perhaps ESPN doesn't really like those schools' ratings? Hard to believe this is true.

3) Notre Dame is closer to joining than everyone thinks? This makes zero sense to me as well and almost seems silly to even suggest.

4) Maybe FOX/ESPN is using the XII deal to lure away some PAC schools in order dissolve the PAC? Doing so would mean they would later need to divest the XII and then move some CTZ/ETZ schools to the ACC? I guess this is possible? The timing of the XII deal being expedited while the PAC sits idly by is curious to me.

Jim Phillips inherited a mess of a contract and I don't envy his position.

The bloom is off of the Irish Rose.
When Notre Dame played at Chapel Hill earlier this year, there were many Irish fans that poured into Kenan Stadium. It was great to have so many guests.
What didn't pour in were Carolina fans. The game simply wasn't a big deal...there were lots of empty seats in my section (127).
Maybe the situation is unique to Carolina, but it doesn't appear as if the excitement level of Notre Dame's participation could rise to the level of being the savior of ACC football.

Fantastic. ND football has no value and you guys don't want it.

(Wasn't the recent ND/Syracuse game a rare Orange sellout? ND/Clemson may likely draw flies with no excitement or TV ratings?)

I am glad that we have that sorted out.

That means that everyone can stop talking about ND football to the ACC now.

Thank God for that.

Now, cut the ND football commitment to three games (or none) so the ACC can grow other roses.

Perhaps the Carolina Mafia will lead the charge to expel ND from the ACC, entirely. That may be the best move.

I am sure that the Carolina brass is mulling over all of the many other potential "Savior" options right now, Lance.


(P.S. Who designated ND as a potential ACC "savior" anyway, Lance ? It sure wasn't ND itself, who doesn't want that role at all. It must have been someone inside the ACC)

I was at that game too. It was a pathetic Tar Heel turnout and I was extremely disappointed. The team didn't show up either and it's still the only blemish on the record.

I went to a UNC-ND game in the late 2000's. The stadium was packed! Irish fans singing fight songs in the bathrooms at halftime when they were up. The Heels won and Charlie Weis moved faster than I've ever seen him to get on the bus and get out of Chapel Hill! It was an awesome experience.

Perhaps Carolina is just tired of losing to ND football other than that rare win against Charlie Weis?

(a large number of other programs also scored rare ND wins when Charlie was there)

Maybe that explains the Carolina ND malaise Lance mentions.

23 Games

Notre Dame leads series, 21-2-0


Longest winning streak by Notre Dame: 10 games

Longest winning streak by North Carolina: 1 game


Largest margin of victory by Notre Dame: +36 (1949-11-12)

Largest margin of victory by North Carolina: +5 (1960-10-08)

It hasn't been much of a contest, quite frankly.


https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/pla...h-carolina

Ya'll still paying ol' Charlie?

(11-04-2022 11:33 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(11-04-2022 11:26 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-04-2022 11:22 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Shame on you Terry for defaming Choo Choo like that.

I have absolutely no idea who or what that is.

Wait, do you mean Charlie Weis?

My bad. Perhaps an ACC team can hire him for a "decided schematic advantage" too?

You put down one of UNC's teams from the 40's which means you put down Carl Snavely and Charlie "Choo Choo" Justice. He of the highest paid football player in America - finished second in the Heisman twice.

You stabbed directly into the soul of UNC football.

Hey! You never addressed my question about UR, VMI, and The Citadel!

(11-04-2022 12:36 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-04-2022 11:18 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-04-2022 10:05 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-04-2022 09:11 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-04-2022 05:17 AM)XLance Wrote:  The bloom is off of the Irish Rose.
When Notre Dame played at Chapel Hill earlier this year, there were many Irish fans that poured into Kenan Stadium. It was great to have so many guests.
What didn't pour in were Carolina fans. The game simply wasn't a big deal...there were lots of empty seats in my section (127).
Maybe the situation is unique to Carolina, but it doesn't appear as if the excitement level of Notre Dame's participation could rise to the level of being the savior of ACC football.

Fantastic. ND football has no value and you guys don't want it.

(Wasn't the recent ND/Syracuse game a rare Orange sellout? ND/Clemson may likely draw flies with no excitement or TV ratings?)

I am glad that we have that sorted out.

That means that everyone can stop talking about ND football to the ACC now.

Thank God for that.

Now, cut the ND football commitment to three games (or none) so the ACC can grow other roses.

Perhaps the Carolina Mafia will lead the charge to expel ND from the ACC, entirely. That may be the best move.

I am sure that the Carolina brass is mulling over all of the many other potential "Savior" options right now, Lance.


(P.S. Who designated ND as a potential ACC "savior" anyway, Lance ? It sure wasn't ND itself, who doesn't want that role at all. It must have been someone inside the ACC)

I was at that game too. It was a pathetic Tar Heel turnout and I was extremely disappointed. The team didn't show up either and it's still the only blemish on the record.

I went to a UNC-ND game in the late 2000's. The stadium was packed! Irish fans singing fight songs in the bathrooms at halftime when they were up. The Heels won and Charlie Weis moved faster than I've ever seen him to get on the bus and get out of Chapel Hill! It was an awesome experience.

Perhaps Carolina is just tired of losing to ND football other than that rare win against Charlie Weis?

(a large number of other programs also scored rare ND wins when Charlie was there)

Maybe that explains the Carolina ND malaise Lance mentions.

23 Games

Notre Dame leads series, 21-2-0


Longest winning streak by Notre Dame: 10 games

Longest winning streak by North Carolina: 1 game


Largest margin of victory by Notre Dame: +36 (1949-11-12)

Largest margin of victory by North Carolina: +5 (1960-10-08)

It hasn't been much of a contest, quite frankly.


https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/pla...h-carolina

Ya'll still paying ol' Charlie?

Nope. Paid off in 2015. Kansas may still be paying him, perhaps.