(12-18-2022 05:26 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(12-18-2022 04:58 PM)astr083 Wrote:  

(12-18-2022 03:55 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(12-13-2022 08:18 PM)astr083 Wrote:  

(12-13-2022 07:48 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  For comparison the MAC has only 1 school in the top 100 and 4 in the top 150.

The Sun Belt is having their best year in basketball ever... The MAC one of their worst, and there still isn't much difference. I will stand by the fact that the MAC is, and always has been a better basketball conference than the SBC. I've never seen a conference toot their own horn more than the SBC... AND THEY HAVE NEVER ACCOMPLISHED ANYTHING!.... No NYE football bowl game against a P5.... No deep runs in the NCAA tourney further than the first weekend....They literally are all talk, and no action.

Might want to do some more research on that, claim that they have never had any tourney runs. The Belt was pretty weak but added some solid basketball teams with recent/traditional success in Marshall, ODU, JMU and USM. All but ODU are top 100.

Overall Marshall and USM are pretty terrible basketball programs....ODU has had some good success the last couple of decades, and JMU, has been so, so, albeit in a bad conference. The SBC is having a good year, but let's not go overboard, it is definitely an anomaly....Furthermore, this is literally the first time Marshall has done well against the MAC in many years.... They lost to Ohio, Akron, and Toledo last year for an 0-3 record, and other than the Akron game, UT and Ohio completely blew them out. Additionally, I would be willing to bet Marshall has an overall losing record in basketball to every single program in the MAC.... Their fans have a lot of nerve coming over here and talking **** after the performance of their program against the MAC over of the years. SBC fans are truly delusional if they believe the SBC could do better than the MAC in a conference vs. conference showdown. The MAC on the other hand could do better, and to be honest is in a no-win situation with these match-ups. Beat a SBC team and it's expected... Lose and it's a really bad look....I don't think there is a program in the SBC that could say that about playing a MAC school.... Not one!

Really? This thread was posted to show an agreement was made to benefit both conferences as most reasonable people here agree with. The **** talking started with somebody calling them garbage, people merely responded to show just how wrong that statement is.

PS: “I've never seen a conference toot their own horn more than the SBC... AND THEY HAVE NEVER ACCOMPLISHED ANYTHING!” That’s not the SBC tooting their own horn, that is clearly a tweet from College Insider Inc. giving credit to the conference for a solid start to the season.

Yes, it's just a few trolls instigating other trolls. Marshall actually has a winning record against 5 MAC programs so astr083 isn't even close on his claim. The main reason the MAC has a winning record against Marshall is because Miami, Toledo (and to a lessor extent) Akron, and BGSU have owned Marshall.

The MAC is having its worst year in probably 20 years while the SunBelt is having its best. Moving forward I'd anticipate these conferences being similar. One might be better for a 2-3 year stretch while then be surpassed by the other for a similar stretch.

Yep. For some reason, Toledo, Miami, and Kent State seemed to always have our number. Akron more often than not. Ohio...it would go in spurts because of our rivalry... We never play well in any sport in Bowling Green.

(12-18-2022 05:49 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(12-18-2022 05:26 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(12-18-2022 04:58 PM)astr083 Wrote:  

(12-18-2022 03:55 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(12-13-2022 08:18 PM)astr083 Wrote:  The Sun Belt is having their best year in basketball ever... The MAC one of their worst, and there still isn't much difference. I will stand by the fact that the MAC is, and always has been a better basketball conference than the SBC. I've never seen a conference toot their own horn more than the SBC... AND THEY HAVE NEVER ACCOMPLISHED ANYTHING!.... No NYE football bowl game against a P5.... No deep runs in the NCAA tourney further than the first weekend....They literally are all talk, and no action.

Might want to do some more research on that, claim that they have never had any tourney runs. The Belt was pretty weak but added some solid basketball teams with recent/traditional success in Marshall, ODU, JMU and USM. All but ODU are top 100.

Overall Marshall and USM are pretty terrible basketball programs....ODU has had some good success the last couple of decades, and JMU, has been so, so, albeit in a bad conference. The SBC is having a good year, but let's not go overboard, it is definitely an anomaly....Furthermore, this is literally the first time Marshall has done well against the MAC in many years.... They lost to Ohio, Akron, and Toledo last year for an 0-3 record, and other than the Akron game, UT and Ohio completely blew them out. Additionally, I would be willing to bet Marshall has an overall losing record in basketball to every single program in the MAC.... Their fans have a lot of nerve coming over here and talking **** after the performance of their program against the MAC over of the years. SBC fans are truly delusional if they believe the SBC could do better than the MAC in a conference vs. conference showdown. The MAC on the other hand could do better, and to be honest is in a no-win situation with these match-ups. Beat a SBC team and it's expected... Lose and it's a really bad look....I don't think there is a program in the SBC that could say that about playing a MAC school.... Not one!

Really? This thread was posted to show an agreement was made to benefit both conferences as most reasonable people here agree with. The **** talking started with somebody calling them garbage, people merely responded to show just how wrong that statement is.

PS: “I've never seen a conference toot their own horn more than the SBC... AND THEY HAVE NEVER ACCOMPLISHED ANYTHING!” That’s not the SBC tooting their own horn, that is clearly a tweet from College Insider Inc. giving credit to the conference for a solid start to the season.

Yes, it's just a few trolls instigating other trolls. Marshall actually has a winning record against 5 MAC programs so astr083 isn't even close on his claim. The main reason the MAC has a winning record against Marshall is because Miami, Toledo (and to a lessor extent) Akron, and BGSU have owned Marshall.

The MAC is having its worst year in probably 20 years while the SunBelt is having its best. Moving forward I'd anticipate these conferences being similar. One might be better for a 2-3 year stretch while then be surpassed by the other for a similar stretch.

Wow.... A losing record against 7 of the teams - a majority of the MAC. I am honestly quite surprised they had a winning record against any MAC teams, however, upon further investigation, they do not lead a series against any of those remaining 5 teams by more than 11 games (WMU), which in basketball is not much at all. The 4 other teams they have a winning record against, they lead by only single digits.

(12-19-2022 09:22 AM)astr083 Wrote:  

(12-18-2022 05:49 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(12-18-2022 05:26 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(12-18-2022 04:58 PM)astr083 Wrote:  

(12-18-2022 03:55 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Might want to do some more research on that, claim that they have never had any tourney runs. The Belt was pretty weak but added some solid basketball teams with recent/traditional success in Marshall, ODU, JMU and USM. All but ODU are top 100.

Overall Marshall and USM are pretty terrible basketball programs....ODU has had some good success the last couple of decades, and JMU, has been so, so, albeit in a bad conference. The SBC is having a good year, but let's not go overboard, it is definitely an anomaly....Furthermore, this is literally the first time Marshall has done well against the MAC in many years.... They lost to Ohio, Akron, and Toledo last year for an 0-3 record, and other than the Akron game, UT and Ohio completely blew them out. Additionally, I would be willing to bet Marshall has an overall losing record in basketball to every single program in the MAC.... Their fans have a lot of nerve coming over here and talking **** after the performance of their program against the MAC over of the years. SBC fans are truly delusional if they believe the SBC could do better than the MAC in a conference vs. conference showdown. The MAC on the other hand could do better, and to be honest is in a no-win situation with these match-ups. Beat a SBC team and it's expected... Lose and it's a really bad look....I don't think there is a program in the SBC that could say that about playing a MAC school.... Not one!

Really? This thread was posted to show an agreement was made to benefit both conferences as most reasonable people here agree with. The **** talking started with somebody calling them garbage, people merely responded to show just how wrong that statement is.

PS: “I've never seen a conference toot their own horn more than the SBC... AND THEY HAVE NEVER ACCOMPLISHED ANYTHING!” That’s not the SBC tooting their own horn, that is clearly a tweet from College Insider Inc. giving credit to the conference for a solid start to the season.

Yes, it's just a few trolls instigating other trolls. Marshall actually has a winning record against 5 MAC programs so astr083 isn't even close on his claim. The main reason the MAC has a winning record against Marshall is because Miami, Toledo (and to a lessor extent) Akron, and BGSU have owned Marshall.

The MAC is having its worst year in probably 20 years while the SunBelt is having its best. Moving forward I'd anticipate these conferences being similar. One might be better for a 2-3 year stretch while then be surpassed by the other for a similar stretch.

Wow.... A losing record against 7 of the teams - a majority of the MAC. I am honestly quite surprised they had a winning record against any MAC teams, however, upon further investigation, they do not lead a series against any of the 5 teams by more than 11 games (WMU), which in basketball is not much at all. The 4 other teams they have a winning record against, they lead only by single digits.

Yeah, can’t tell much from a series when the winning record is “only by single digits” yet all series losses mean something even when “only by single digits”. Got it!

EMU 12-4
Buffalo 10-5
NIU 10-5
CMU 8-5
WMU 30-19

The series losses:
KSU 26-28
Ohio 40-44
Ball State 5-6
BGSU 23-31
Akron 9-14
Toledo 20-32
Miami 18-40

Marshall hoops record versus opponents

Congrats to the Flashers, Sun Bowl Champs
https://twitter.com/i/status/1606160517722095616

MAC leadership (and SBC) grab a "first" to the "new era" of post-(for now)-realignment ...

Nov. 28 CBS report (late post but better than never):

"The SEC and ACC (have) announced the formation of a new college basketball event between the two conferences that will begin as part of the 2023-24 season. The event, the ACC/SEC Challenge, will involve both men's and women's basketball and feature 28 games annually. When Texas and Oklahoma join the SEC in 2025-26 the event will feature 30 games annually in the challenge."

"(The) announcement came as an introduction to a new challenge and a farewell to old ones, as the SEC bid adieu to its longstanding Big 12/SEC Challenge and the ACC officially announced its ACC/Big Ten Challenge will come to an end."

Footnote: the ACC and SEC are both under the ESPN umbrella, as are the MAC and SBC.

Would be nice if this challenge was with the AAC, MWC, A-10, but fun stuff none the less. Will bring some extra mojo to the OOC MBB season. Hope a trophy emerges and a website that tracks progress.

(01-07-2023 06:04 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  Would be nice if this challenge was with the AAC, MWC, A-10, but fun stuff none the less. Will bring some extra mojo to the OOC MBB season. Hope a trophy emerges and a website that tracks progress.

I completely agree... SBC basketball is not a needle mover at all for any MAC fanbase.....This is a no-win for the MAC, but it is for the SBC who, as a conference, is normally ranked far behind the MAC (with the exception of the last couple seasons of course).

The #14 ranked conference scheduling the #17 ranked conference appears to be helping the MAC slightly more than the SBC.

https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2...conference

(01-30-2023 08:14 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  The #14 ranked conference scheduling the #17 ranked conference appears to be helping the MAC slightly more than the SBC.

https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2...conference

As I stated, these last two years are an exception. Rarely is there a year where the SBC is better at basketball than the MAC.

It's kind of hard to look far back and judge the Sun Belt conference. Within the last 10 years they added 7 schools and dropped 7. This year alone they added 3 and cut 2. It's a much different conference compared to what it was 10-15+ years ago.

The 3 schools they added are currently sitting at 1st, 3rd, and T4 in the conference. The 2 schools they dropped are currently sitting at the bottom of the WAC and OVC standings. It would be like if the MAC cut perennial bottom feeders like EMU and NIU in basketball then replaced them with programs like Western Kentucky, Murray State, and Belmont. Of course the conference as a whole would be instantly more competitive in hoops.

Edit: To be clear I'm not advocating for this. Just trying to illustrate a point.

(01-30-2023 10:15 AM)astr083 Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 08:14 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  The #14 ranked conference scheduling the #17 ranked conference appears to be helping the MAC slightly more than the SBC.

https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2...conference

As I stated, these last two years are an exception. Rarely is there a year where the SBC is better at basketball than the MAC.

Except this year, which is why they’re scheduling them to compete next year. For some reason both commissioners as well as the schools and most fans think it’s a decent idea to schedule comparative programs when it’s hard to find decent OOC games in todays game.

They have 8 top 200 teams, we have 6. They have 4 top 100 teams. We have 1. They aren't built on tradition like MAC schools. Probably more ex NBA players from the 50's thru the 90's from the MAC. One thing both leagues have in common is usually (always for the MAC), They are both 1 bid leagues, with D1 fb memberships. So fanbases are not SoCon small, and the schools carry some weight national just on name alone.

If Santa Clara plays UCSB, the squads might be pretty dang good. Top few of the mid major tanks even. But playing at 11pm won't garner much attention unless one of which ever school is playing Gonzaga. Marshall vs. Kent or, ULL vs. Ball State, or App State vs. Toledo are at least teams the general population will recognize if it's on a midweek on ESPNU or CBSSN. Will they watch? Who cares. But will they say "who is this?" no chance.

If the series gets heated, and is close, it could be a Big10 ACC challenge mini. That at least some gamblers care about.

It's good for both parties, until either league really tanks or really mixes up their membership to where the names are unrecognizable.

Per a tweet giving Round 1 of the matchups the rankings for the MAC-SBC Challenge are:

Troy (134) at Ohio (133)
JMU (95) at Kent St. (68)
App State (196) at NIU (255)
Ark. St. (285) at BG (286)
GASO (207) at EMU (321)
GAST (291) at WMU (326)
Louisiana (86) at Toledo (82)
ODU (154) at Ball State (156)
South (108) at Buffalo (194)
Southern Miss (90) at Akron (105)
TXST (193) at Miami OH (287)
ULM (296) at CMU (331)

I did the research for our board so I figured I'd share to make it easy on y'all here.

(06-21-2023 01:25 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  Per a tweet giving Round 1 of the matchups the rankings for the MAC-SBC Challenge are:

Troy (134) at Ohio (133)
JMU (95) at Kent St. (68)
App State (196) at NIU (255)
Ark. St. (285) at BG (286)
GASO (207) at EMU (321)
GAST (291) at WMU (326)
Louisiana (86) at Toledo (82)
ODU (154) at Ball State (156)
South (108) at Buffalo (194)
Southern Miss (90) at Akron (105)
TXST (193) at Miami OH (287)
ULM (296) at CMU (331)

I did the research for our board so I figured I'd share to make it easy on y'all here.

Thanks for doing the homework, as expected it seems the SBC is doing the MAC a slight favor here. Should be some exciting games between the conferences.

(06-21-2023 02:28 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(06-21-2023 01:25 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  Per a tweet giving Round 1 of the matchups the rankings for the MAC-SBC Challenge are:

Troy (134) at Ohio (133)
JMU (95) at Kent St. (68)
App State (196) at NIU (255)
Ark. St. (285) at BG (286)
GASO (207) at EMU (321)
GAST (291) at WMU (326)
Louisiana (86) at Toledo (82)
ODU (154) at Ball State (156)
South (108) at Buffalo (194)
Southern Miss (90) at Akron (105)
TXST (193) at Miami OH (287)
ULM (296) at CMU (331)

I did the research for our board so I figured I'd share to make it easy on y'all here.

Thanks for doing the homework, as expected it seems the SBC is doing the MAC a slight favor here. Should be some exciting games between the conferences.

The SBC is not doing the MAC a slight favor... Get real... LOL... What a joke.

(06-22-2023 09:25 AM)astr083 Wrote:  

(06-21-2023 02:28 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(06-21-2023 01:25 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  Per a tweet giving Round 1 of the matchups the rankings for the MAC-SBC Challenge are:

Troy (134) at Ohio (133)
JMU (95) at Kent St. (68)
App State (196) at NIU (255)
Ark. St. (285) at BG (286)
GASO (207) at EMU (321)
GAST (291) at WMU (326)
Louisiana (86) at Toledo (82)
ODU (154) at Ball State (156)
South (108) at Buffalo (194)
Southern Miss (90) at Akron (105)
TXST (193) at Miami OH (287)
ULM (296) at CMU (331)

I did the research for our board so I figured I'd share to make it easy on y'all here.

Thanks for doing the homework, as expected it seems the SBC is doing the MAC a slight favor here. Should be some exciting games between the conferences.

The SBC is not doing the MAC a slight favor... Get real... LOL... What a joke.

Oddball? Is that you?

(06-22-2023 09:25 AM)astr083 Wrote:  

(06-21-2023 02:28 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(06-21-2023 01:25 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  Per a tweet giving Round 1 of the matchups the rankings for the MAC-SBC Challenge are:

Troy (134) at Ohio (133)
JMU (95) at Kent St. (68)
App State (196) at NIU (255)
Ark. St. (285) at BG (286)
GASO (207) at EMU (321)
GAST (291) at WMU (326)
Louisiana (86) at Toledo (82)
ODU (154) at Ball State (156)
South (108) at Buffalo (194)
Southern Miss (90) at Akron (105)
TXST (193) at Miami OH (287)
ULM (296) at CMU (331)

I did the research for our board so I figured I'd share to make it easy on y'all here.

Thanks for doing the homework, as expected it seems the SBC is doing the MAC a slight favor here. Should be some exciting games between the conferences.

The SBC is not doing the MAC a slight favor... Get real... LOL... What a joke.

You're right, SBC is the higher ranked teams in most of these matchups, and other than Kent State the others are basically a push.

(06-22-2023 12:46 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(06-22-2023 09:25 AM)astr083 Wrote:  

(06-21-2023 02:28 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(06-21-2023 01:25 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  Per a tweet giving Round 1 of the matchups the rankings for the MAC-SBC Challenge are:

Troy (134) at Ohio (133)
JMU (95) at Kent St. (68)
App State (196) at NIU (255)
Ark. St. (285) at BG (286)
GASO (207) at EMU (321)
GAST (291) at WMU (326)
Louisiana (86) at Toledo (82)
ODU (154) at Ball State (156)
South (108) at Buffalo (194)
Southern Miss (90) at Akron (105)
TXST (193) at Miami OH (287)
ULM (296) at CMU (331)

I did the research for our board so I figured I'd share to make it easy on y'all here.

Thanks for doing the homework, as expected it seems the SBC is doing the MAC a slight favor here. Should be some exciting games between the conferences.

The SBC is not doing the MAC a slight favor... Get real... LOL... What a joke.

You're right, SBC is the higher ranked teams in most of these matchups, and other than Kent State the others are basically a push.

Sorry, but I do not see Kent State, Toledo, Akron, Ohio, or Ball State losing those games at home.... Even Buffalo and Bowling Green should win those matchups. The rest... well, those could go the way of the MAC too, home or away.

(06-22-2023 01:38 PM)astr083 Wrote:  

(06-22-2023 12:46 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(06-22-2023 09:25 AM)astr083 Wrote:  

(06-21-2023 02:28 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(06-21-2023 01:25 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  Per a tweet giving Round 1 of the matchups the rankings for the MAC-SBC Challenge are:

Troy (134) at Ohio (133)
JMU (95) at Kent St. (68)
App State (196) at NIU (255)
Ark. St. (285) at BG (286)
GASO (207) at EMU (321)
GAST (291) at WMU (326)
Louisiana (86) at Toledo (82)
ODU (154) at Ball State (156)
South (108) at Buffalo (194)
Southern Miss (90) at Akron (105)
TXST (193) at Miami OH (287)
ULM (296) at CMU (331)

I did the research for our board so I figured I'd share to make it easy on y'all here.

Thanks for doing the homework, as expected it seems the SBC is doing the MAC a slight favor here. Should be some exciting games between the conferences.

The SBC is not doing the MAC a slight favor... Get real... LOL... What a joke.

You're right, SBC is the higher ranked teams in most of these matchups, and other than Kent State the others are basically a push.

Sorry, but I do not see Kent State, Toledo, Akron, Ohio, or Ball State losing those games at home.... Even Buffalo and Bowling Green should win those matchups. The rest... well, those could go the way of the MAC too, home or away.

You can't see it at all? Best get an appointment with your optometrist!