(11-27-2022 09:11 AM)ken d Wrote:  I think the committee could go that way, or they could go the opposite way. They could place USC #4 this week, to assert the principle that conference championships matter (even if they aren't the be all and end all). Then, if USC stumbles they can go to Alabama or Ohio State with less criticism.

Every ESPN CFB reporter is putting USC in the number 4. Pay in mind ESPN also has RB rights and would love USC vs OSU in that game. However, since Bama obviously won't be #4 after this week, USC probably takes it so it's a clear win and in situation going into next weekend.

If someone stumbles, the rankings this Tuesday will decide who slides in. Saban maybe has one or two more years left and they are going to give Bama that respect over anyone else in the country all other things equal. 5/6 this week will decide who's next in line. I'll say 55% OSU 45% Bama, but ESPN would love nothing more than to have OSU represent the B1G in the RB. That HAS to factor into this.

(11-27-2022 08:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  My top 6:

1) Georgia
2) Michigan (very close, could be #1)
3) TCU
4) USC
5) Alabama
6) Ohio State

You guys who say "Ohio State lost one game, Alabama two" are IMO being too clinical about it. You're missing how badly Ohio State got rolled over and how bad IMO that looked in front of probably 15 million viewers.

Ohio State just doesn't pass the smell test. They got trucked, flattened, at home. Alabama lost two games at the buzzer on the road.

Ohio State got *exposed*. Nobody has exposed Alabama.

But both IMO will need help. If TCU and USC win their CCGs, neither is making the playoffs.

We'll see.

Quo, for now, I concur but would have Georgia as a firm #1. The order you listed is what Kirk Herbstreit expressed last evening and he is an Ohio State guy, but works for ESPN.

Alabama’s two loses were very close. Ohio State, though with only one loss, but came late, had an awful second half against Michigan.

(11-27-2022 08:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  My top 6:

1) Georgia
2) Michigan (very close, could be #1)
3) TCU
4) USC
5) Alabama
6) Ohio State

You guys who say "Ohio State lost one game, Alabama two" are IMO being too clinical about it. You're missing how badly Ohio State got rolled over and how bad IMO that looked in front of probably 15 million viewers.

Ohio State just doesn't pass the smell test. They got trucked, flattened, at home. Alabama lost two games at the buzzer on the road.

Ohio State got *exposed*. Nobody has exposed Alabama.

But both IMO will need help. If TCU and USC win their CCGs, neither is making the playoffs.

We'll see.

Alabama is lucky to be ranked. Should have four losses. Ohio State, who schedule was equally as tough as Alabama didn’t have any clothes games that could’ve been losses.

(11-27-2022 10:29 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 08:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  My top 6:

1) Georgia
2) Michigan (very close, could be #1)
3) TCU
4) USC
5) Alabama
6) Ohio State

You guys who say "Ohio State lost one game, Alabama two" are IMO being too clinical about it. You're missing how badly Ohio State got rolled over and how bad IMO that looked in front of probably 15 million viewers.

Ohio State just doesn't pass the smell test. They got trucked, flattened, at home. Alabama lost two games at the buzzer on the road.

Ohio State got *exposed*. Nobody has exposed Alabama.

But both IMO will need help. If TCU and USC win their CCGs, neither is making the playoffs.

We'll see.

Alabama is lucky to be ranked. Should have four losses. Ohio State, who schedule was equally as tough as Alabama didn’t have any clothes games that could’ve been losses.

Alabama is closer to being undefeated than having three losses, much less four.

This is the worst Alabama team in years, but that being down by Alabama standards doesn't mean that they're somehow worse than a team that just lost at home by three touchdowns.

The Committee's job is to find the four best teams. If Alabama played Ohio State's schedule and Ohio State played Alabama's schedule, what would their records be? It's obviously a moot point, but based on what I saw yesterday I don't imaging Ohio State winning two out of @ Texas, @LSU, @Tennessee, and @Ole Miss.

Ohio St. will be either 4 or 5. Bama is a distant 6. Ohio St has less losses and better wins. Open and shut case. On another note this will be the first playoffs with neither Bama or Clemson. Start of a new era.

(11-27-2022 10:43 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 10:29 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 08:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  My top 6:

1) Georgia
2) Michigan (very close, could be #1)
3) TCU
4) USC
5) Alabama
6) Ohio State

You guys who say "Ohio State lost one game, Alabama two" are IMO being too clinical about it. You're missing how badly Ohio State got rolled over and how bad IMO that looked in front of probably 15 million viewers.

Ohio State just doesn't pass the smell test. They got trucked, flattened, at home. Alabama lost two games at the buzzer on the road.

Ohio State got *exposed*. Nobody has exposed Alabama.

But both IMO will need help. If TCU and USC win their CCGs, neither is making the playoffs.

We'll see.

Alabama is lucky to be ranked. Should have four losses. Ohio State, who schedule was equally as tough as Alabama didn’t have any clothes games that could’ve been losses.

Alabama is closer to being undefeated than having three losses, much less four.

This is the worst Alabama team in years, but that being down by Alabama standards doesn't mean that they're somehow worse than a team that just lost at home by three touchdowns.

The Committee's job is to find the four best teams. If Alabama played Ohio State's schedule and Ohio State played Alabama's schedule, what would their records be? It's obviously a moot point, but based on what I saw yesterday I don't imaging Ohio State winning two out of @ Texas, @LSU, @Tennessee, and @Ole Miss.

10-2 Bama
12-0 Ohio St

(11-27-2022 10:43 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 10:29 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 08:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  My top 6:

1) Georgia
2) Michigan (very close, could be #1)
3) TCU
4) USC
5) Alabama
6) Ohio State

You guys who say "Ohio State lost one game, Alabama two" are IMO being too clinical about it. You're missing how badly Ohio State got rolled over and how bad IMO that looked in front of probably 15 million viewers.

Ohio State just doesn't pass the smell test. They got trucked, flattened, at home. Alabama lost two games at the buzzer on the road.

Ohio State got *exposed*. Nobody has exposed Alabama.

But both IMO will need help. If TCU and USC win their CCGs, neither is making the playoffs.

We'll see.

Alabama is lucky to be ranked. Should have four losses. Ohio State, who schedule was equally as tough as Alabama didn’t have any clothes games that could’ve been losses.

Alabama is closer to being undefeated than having three losses, much less four.

This is the worst Alabama team in years, but that being down by Alabama standards doesn't mean that they're somehow worse than a team that just lost at home by three touchdowns.

The Committee's job is to find the four best teams. If Alabama played Ohio State's schedule and Ohio State played Alabama's schedule, what would their records be? It's obviously a moot point, but based on what I saw yesterday I don't imaging Ohio State winning two out of @ Texas, @LSU, @Tennessee, and @Ole Miss.

Disagree. The SEC is very down this year. There’s Georgia in a bunch of frankly mediocre teams that would struggle to finish in the top four of the Big Ten. I would put Ohio State Michigan and Penn State ahead of any non-Georgia team this year. There are no stand out teams in the west, but a bunch of solid teams that we compete in the SEC this year.

(11-27-2022 11:09 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  Disagree. The SEC is very down this year. There’s Georgia in a bunch of frankly mediocre teams that would struggle to finish in the top four of the Big Ten. I would put Ohio State Michigan and Penn State ahead of any non-Georgia team this year. There are no stand out teams in the west, but a bunch of solid teams that we compete in the SEC this year.

The Big Ten's best win of the season is Ohio State over Notre Dame. Can you find the Big Ten's second-best win for me?

Whatever that win is, compare to South Carolina over Clemson, Kentucky over Louisville, A&M over Miami, Florida over Utah, or Arkansas over Cincinnati.

Those are five SEC teams that couldn't get over .500 in conference but all have better wins than 13 of the Big Ten's programs.

(11-27-2022 11:33 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 11:09 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  Disagree. The SEC is very down this year. There’s Georgia in a bunch of frankly mediocre teams that would struggle to finish in the top four of the Big Ten. I would put Ohio State Michigan and Penn State ahead of any non-Georgia team this year. There are no stand out teams in the west, but a bunch of solid teams that we compete in the SEC this year.

The Big Ten's best win of the season is Ohio State over Notre Dame. Can you find the Big Ten's second-best win for me?

Whatever that win is, compare to South Carolina over Clemson, Kentucky over Louisville, A&M over Miami, Florida over Utah, or Arkansas over Cincinnati.

Those are five SEC teams that couldn't get over .500 in conference but all have better wins than 13 of the Big Ten's programs.

A&M over Miami? I wouldn't be hanging my hat on that one.

(11-27-2022 10:45 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 10:43 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 10:29 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 08:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  My top 6:

1) Georgia
2) Michigan (very close, could be #1)
3) TCU
4) USC
5) Alabama
6) Ohio State

You guys who say "Ohio State lost one game, Alabama two" are IMO being too clinical about it. You're missing how badly Ohio State got rolled over and how bad IMO that looked in front of probably 15 million viewers.

Ohio State just doesn't pass the smell test. They got trucked, flattened, at home. Alabama lost two games at the buzzer on the road.

Ohio State got *exposed*. Nobody has exposed Alabama.

But both IMO will need help. If TCU and USC win their CCGs, neither is making the playoffs.

We'll see.

Alabama is lucky to be ranked. Should have four losses. Ohio State, who schedule was equally as tough as Alabama didn’t have any clothes games that could’ve been losses.

Alabama is closer to being undefeated than having three losses, much less four.

This is the worst Alabama team in years, but that being down by Alabama standards doesn't mean that they're somehow worse than a team that just lost at home by three touchdowns.

The Committee's job is to find the four best teams. If Alabama played Ohio State's schedule and Ohio State played Alabama's schedule, what would their records be? It's obviously a moot point, but based on what I saw yesterday I don't imaging Ohio State winning two out of @ Texas, @LSU, @Tennessee, and @Ole Miss.

10-2 Bama
12-0 Ohio St

All I know is, if you told me Bama was playing either Ohio State or Michigan on January 1st in a playoff game and I had to pick the winner with my life on the line, I'd pick Alabama without hesitation.

(11-27-2022 11:33 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 11:09 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  Disagree. The SEC is very down this year. There’s Georgia in a bunch of frankly mediocre teams that would struggle to finish in the top four of the Big Ten. I would put Ohio State Michigan and Penn State ahead of any non-Georgia team this year. There are no stand out teams in the west, but a bunch of solid teams that we compete in the SEC this year.

The Big Ten's best win of the season is Ohio State over Notre Dame. Can you find the Big Ten's second-best win for me?

Whatever that win is, compare to South Carolina over Clemson, Kentucky over Louisville, A&M over Miami, Florida over Utah, or Arkansas over Cincinnati.

Those are five SEC teams that couldn't get over .500 in conference but all have better wins than 13 of the Big Ten's programs.

Yes, the SEC has been way better than the B1G this year - like it usually is.

Basically, when people criticize the SEC, they are criticizing SEC team X for losing to SEC teams Z and/or Y.

There is no conference out there with a significant SEC win.

(11-27-2022 11:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 10:45 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 10:43 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 10:29 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 08:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  My top 6:

1) Georgia
2) Michigan (very close, could be #1)
3) TCU
4) USC
5) Alabama
6) Ohio State

You guys who say "Ohio State lost one game, Alabama two" are IMO being too clinical about it. You're missing how badly Ohio State got rolled over and how bad IMO that looked in front of probably 15 million viewers.

Ohio State just doesn't pass the smell test. They got trucked, flattened, at home. Alabama lost two games at the buzzer on the road.

Ohio State got *exposed*. Nobody has exposed Alabama.

But both IMO will need help. If TCU and USC win their CCGs, neither is making the playoffs.

We'll see.

Alabama is lucky to be ranked. Should have four losses. Ohio State, who schedule was equally as tough as Alabama didn’t have any clothes games that could’ve been losses.

Alabama is closer to being undefeated than having three losses, much less four.

This is the worst Alabama team in years, but that being down by Alabama standards doesn't mean that they're somehow worse than a team that just lost at home by three touchdowns.

The Committee's job is to find the four best teams. If Alabama played Ohio State's schedule and Ohio State played Alabama's schedule, what would their records be? It's obviously a moot point, but based on what I saw yesterday I don't imaging Ohio State winning two out of @ Texas, @LSU, @Tennessee, and @Ole Miss.

10-2 Bama
12-0 Ohio St

All I know is, if you told me Bama was playing either Ohio State or Michigan on January 1st in a playoff game and I had to pick the winner with my life on the line, I'd pick Alabama without hesitation.

I'd spot you a TD and take that action

(11-27-2022 11:51 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 11:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 10:45 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 10:43 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 10:29 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  Alabama is lucky to be ranked. Should have four losses. Ohio State, who schedule was equally as tough as Alabama didn’t have any clothes games that could’ve been losses.

Alabama is closer to being undefeated than having three losses, much less four.

This is the worst Alabama team in years, but that being down by Alabama standards doesn't mean that they're somehow worse than a team that just lost at home by three touchdowns.

The Committee's job is to find the four best teams. If Alabama played Ohio State's schedule and Ohio State played Alabama's schedule, what would their records be? It's obviously a moot point, but based on what I saw yesterday I don't imaging Ohio State winning two out of @ Texas, @LSU, @Tennessee, and @Ole Miss.

10-2 Bama
12-0 Ohio St

All I know is, if you told me Bama was playing either Ohio State or Michigan on January 1st in a playoff game and I had to pick the winner with my life on the line, I'd pick Alabama without hesitation.

I'd spot you a TD and take that action

I'm just scratching my head wondering when the last time Alabama lost to a major B1G team?

That's right - the 2014 playoffs, 42-35 vs an Ohio State team with the second-best coach of the past 40 years and like 15 NFL draft picks. Since then, they've mopped the floor with a few of them.

I don't think either this Ohio State or Michigan teams fit that bill. But that's just me.

(11-27-2022 11:53 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 11:51 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 11:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 10:45 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 10:43 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  Alabama is closer to being undefeated than having three losses, much less four.

This is the worst Alabama team in years, but that being down by Alabama standards doesn't mean that they're somehow worse than a team that just lost at home by three touchdowns.

The Committee's job is to find the four best teams. If Alabama played Ohio State's schedule and Ohio State played Alabama's schedule, what would their records be? It's obviously a moot point, but based on what I saw yesterday I don't imaging Ohio State winning two out of @ Texas, @LSU, @Tennessee, and @Ole Miss.

10-2 Bama
12-0 Ohio St

All I know is, if you told me Bama was playing either Ohio State or Michigan on January 1st in a playoff game and I had to pick the winner with my life on the line, I'd pick Alabama without hesitation.

I'd spot you a TD and take that action

I'm just scratching my head wondering when the last time Alabama lost to a major B1G team?

That's right - the 2014 playoffs, 42-35 vs an Ohio State team with the second-best coach of the past 40 years and like 15 NFL draft picks. Since then, they've mopped the floor with a few of them.

I don't think either this Ohio State or Michigan teams fit that bill. But that's just me.

I mean they've only played two 11+ win Big 10 teams since that game so that's really not as far back as you think. I'd also add this Bama team isn't as good as that 2014 Bama team anyway.

Edit: make that one 11+ win team

(11-27-2022 11:48 AM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 11:33 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  The Big Ten's best win of the season is Ohio State over Notre Dame. Can you find the Big Ten's second-best win for me?

Whatever that win is, compare to South Carolina over Clemson, Kentucky over Louisville, A&M over Miami, Florida over Utah, or Arkansas over Cincinnati.

Those are five SEC teams that couldn't get over .500 in conference but all have better wins than 13 of the Big Ten's programs.

A&M over Miami? I wouldn't be hanging my hat on that one.

I'm not hanging my hat on it. I'm just asking for a better win by a Big Ten team out of conference.

I can't find a Big Ten win over a P5 team with three wins, which Miami has.

Penn State at home over Auburn is the best I have found. I would call Miami and Auburn comparable at this point.

(11-27-2022 11:57 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 11:48 AM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 11:33 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  The Big Ten's best win of the season is Ohio State over Notre Dame. Can you find the Big Ten's second-best win for me?

Whatever that win is, compare to South Carolina over Clemson, Kentucky over Louisville, A&M over Miami, Florida over Utah, or Arkansas over Cincinnati.

Those are five SEC teams that couldn't get over .500 in conference but all have better wins than 13 of the Big Ten's programs.

A&M over Miami? I wouldn't be hanging my hat on that one.

I'm not hanging my hat on it. I'm just asking for a better win by a Big Ten team out of conference.

I can't find a Big Ten win over a P5 team with three wins, which Miami has.

Penn State at home over Auburn is the best I have found. I would call Miami and Auburn comparable at this point.

PSU beat Auburn in Alabama for the sake of accuracy. Additionally MC has Auburn ranked #51 and Miami #84 so probably not fair to call those comparable games. And PSU won 41-12 so an even more dominating performance than what the Tide turned in yesterday at home.

(11-27-2022 11:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 10:45 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 10:43 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 10:29 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 08:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  My top 6:

1) Georgia
2) Michigan (very close, could be #1)
3) TCU
4) USC
5) Alabama
6) Ohio State

You guys who say "Ohio State lost one game, Alabama two" are IMO being too clinical about it. You're missing how badly Ohio State got rolled over and how bad IMO that looked in front of probably 15 million viewers.

Ohio State just doesn't pass the smell test. They got trucked, flattened, at home. Alabama lost two games at the buzzer on the road.

Ohio State got *exposed*. Nobody has exposed Alabama.

But both IMO will need help. If TCU and USC win their CCGs, neither is making the playoffs.

We'll see.

Alabama is lucky to be ranked. Should have four losses. Ohio State, who schedule was equally as tough as Alabama didn’t have any clothes games that could’ve been losses.

Alabama is closer to being undefeated than having three losses, much less four.

This is the worst Alabama team in years, but that being down by Alabama standards doesn't mean that they're somehow worse than a team that just lost at home by three touchdowns.

The Committee's job is to find the four best teams. If Alabama played Ohio State's schedule and Ohio State played Alabama's schedule, what would their records be? It's obviously a moot point, but based on what I saw yesterday I don't imaging Ohio State winning two out of @ Texas, @LSU, @Tennessee, and @Ole Miss.

10-2 Bama
12-0 Ohio St

All I know is, if you told me Bama was playing either Ohio State or Michigan on January 1st in a playoff game and I had to pick the winner with my life on the line, I'd pick Alabama without hesitation.

If asked that same question, but have the teams be Alabama and Tennessee, I have a feeling that you'd give the same answer of Alabama.

That's part of the fun of sports - the not knowing for sure : )

(11-27-2022 11:57 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 11:53 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 11:51 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 11:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 10:45 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  10-2 Bama
12-0 Ohio St

All I know is, if you told me Bama was playing either Ohio State or Michigan on January 1st in a playoff game and I had to pick the winner with my life on the line, I'd pick Alabama without hesitation.

I'd spot you a TD and take that action

I'm just scratching my head wondering when the last time Alabama lost to a major B1G team?

That's right - the 2014 playoffs, 42-35 vs an Ohio State team with the second-best coach of the past 40 years and like 15 NFL draft picks. Since then, they've mopped the floor with a few of them.

I don't think either this Ohio State or Michigan teams fit that bill. But that's just me.

I mean they've only played two 11+ win Big 10 teams since that game so that's really not as far back as you think. I'd also add this Bama team isn't as good as that 2014 Bama team anyway.

Edit: make that one 11+ win team

IIRC, Alabama squashed Michigan State in the 2015 playoffs and Ohio State in the 2020 playoffs. Obviously OSU didn't have 11 wins because they played like seven games, but to me there is nothing magical about 11 wins. They also demolished a 9-win Michigan team in some bowl a couple years back.

FWIW, I am not sure how this Alabama team stacks up to 2014. I think pretty closer. Closer IMO than either of these two OSU and UM teams stack up to 2014 Ohio State. That team had Urban and boatload of talent. I don't see Michigan having that kind of talent at all.

Just MO.

(11-27-2022 12:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 11:57 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 11:53 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 11:51 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 11:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  All I know is, if you told me Bama was playing either Ohio State or Michigan on January 1st in a playoff game and I had to pick the winner with my life on the line, I'd pick Alabama without hesitation.

I'd spot you a TD and take that action

I'm just scratching my head wondering when the last time Alabama lost to a major B1G team?

That's right - the 2014 playoffs, 42-35 vs an Ohio State team with the second-best coach of the past 40 years and like 15 NFL draft picks. Since then, they've mopped the floor with a few of them.

I don't think either this Ohio State or Michigan teams fit that bill. But that's just me.

I mean they've only played two 11+ win Big 10 teams since that game so that's really not as far back as you think. I'd also add this Bama team isn't as good as that 2014 Bama team anyway.

Edit: make that one 11+ win team

IIRC, Alabama squashed Michigan State in the 2015 playoffs and Ohio State in the 2020 playoffs. Obviously OSU didn't have 11 wins because they played like seven games, but to me there is nothing magical about 11 wins. They also demolished a 9-win Michigan team in some bowl a couple years back.

FWIW, I am not sure how this Alabama team stacks up to 2014. I think pretty closer. Closer IMO than either of these two OSU and UM teams stack up to 2014 Ohio State. That team had Urban and boatload of talent. I don't see Michigan having that kind of talent at all.

Just MO.

That's what Ohio St and Michigan are this year. 11+ win teams. Not at all comparable to the 2019 Michigan team that went 6-3 in the Big 10. As for the 2015 and 2020 Tide teams, they were head and shoulders above this team. So their dominance over a couple Big 10 teams has zero bearing over how this years squad would do.

(11-27-2022 12:04 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 11:57 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 11:48 AM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 11:33 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  The Big Ten's best win of the season is Ohio State over Notre Dame. Can you find the Big Ten's second-best win for me?

Whatever that win is, compare to South Carolina over Clemson, Kentucky over Louisville, A&M over Miami, Florida over Utah, or Arkansas over Cincinnati.

Those are five SEC teams that couldn't get over .500 in conference but all have better wins than 13 of the Big Ten's programs.

A&M over Miami? I wouldn't be hanging my hat on that one.

I'm not hanging my hat on it. I'm just asking for a better win by a Big Ten team out of conference.

I can't find a Big Ten win over a P5 team with three wins, which Miami has.

Penn State at home over Auburn is the best I have found. I would call Miami and Auburn comparable at this point.

PSU beat Auburn in Alabama for the sake of accuracy. Additionally MC has Auburn ranked #51 and Miami #84 so probably not fair to call those comparable games. And PSU won 41-12 so an even more dominating performance than what the Tide turned in yesterday at home.

My bad on the location of that game. And let’s take Miami out as well.

That still leaves the Big Ten with a whole lot of mediocrity and very little to hang its hat on. Unless I’m missing something…