I don’t know if it’s schools doing or it was espn, but somebody needs to come in and point out that there are a lot of good annual matchups left on the table. Sometimes it’s not about who you play, but who plays who.

The other thing the new commish needs to realize is the ACC needs to set a goal of getting a minimum of 2 playoff teams a year. An extra win in the ACCCG might help with seeding, but at the expense of knocking another team out of the playoffs. If you thought the money gap between the ACC and SEC is large now, just wait when 4 SEC teams are in the playoffs every year.

(01-13-2023 10:42 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I don’t know if it’s schools doing or it was espn, but somebody needs to come in and point out that there are a lot of good annual matchups left on the table. Sometimes it’s not about who you play, but who plays who.

That's been addressed with the new scheduling format.

(01-13-2023 10:42 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  The other thing the new commish needs to realize is the ACC needs to set a goal of getting a minimum of 2 playoff teams a year. An extra win in the ACCCG might help with seeding, but at the expense of knocking another team out of the playoffs. If you thought the money gap between the ACC and SEC is large now, just wait when 4 SEC teams are in the playoffs every year.

That's really up to the programs within the conference and I'm sure every coach wants to make the playoffs. Not sure what a commissioner can do to ensure that. It seems we could follow the Big Ten model of soft OOC schedule and 9 conference games. The first part of that isn't really possible with the built-in SEC rivalries.

(01-13-2023 11:28 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 10:42 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I don’t know if it’s schools doing or it was espn, but somebody needs to come in and point out that there are a lot of good annual matchups left on the table. Sometimes it’s not about who you play, but who plays who.

That's been addressed with the new scheduling format.

Except I don't think it has been. I mean, is there anybody who thinks the 3 annual games per school was optimized for maximum TV ratings?

(01-13-2023 11:28 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 10:42 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I don’t know if it’s schools doing or it was espn, but somebody needs to come in and point out that there are a lot of good annual matchups left on the table. Sometimes it’s not about who you play, but who plays who.

That's been addressed with the new scheduling format.

(01-13-2023 10:42 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  The other thing the new commish needs to realize is the ACC needs to set a goal of getting a minimum of 2 playoff teams a year. An extra win in the ACCCG might help with seeding, but at the expense of knocking another team out of the playoffs. If you thought the money gap between the ACC and SEC is large now, just wait when 4 SEC teams are in the playoffs every year.

That's really up to the programs within the conference and I'm sure every coach wants to make the playoffs. Not sure what a commissioner can do to ensure that. It seems we could follow the Big Ten model of soft OOC schedule and 9 conference games. The first part of that isn't really possible with the built-in SEC rivalries.

And the 5 games with ND.

I think the goal of the ACC should be to place as many teams as possible in the post season. You get there by winning games. I think it can be done with a 8 conference game schedule. There are a few members that have a history of playing tough OOC games and sort of built their legacy on that. Everyone else should take an easier path.

The ACC has the worst conference leadership. It’s been that way for decades. Long before John Swafford the parochial thinking of the league kept it a small regional basketball. The only reason FSU got in when they did was because their basketball wasn’t a threat to the basketball powers in the conference at the time.

This league has always been a day late to every party

(01-13-2023 01:36 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The ACC has the worst conference leadership. It’s been that way for decades. Long before John Swafford the parochial thinking of the league kept it a small regional basketball. The only reason FSU got in when they did was because their basketball wasn’t a threat to the basketball powers in the conference at the time.

This league has always been a day late to every party

Louisville seemed happy to join the ACC. I wonder why. Have you gotten a better offer since then?

(01-13-2023 12:48 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 11:28 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 10:42 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I don’t know if it’s schools doing or it was espn, but somebody needs to come in and point out that there are a lot of good annual matchups left on the table. Sometimes it’s not about who you play, but who plays who.

That's been addressed with the new scheduling format.

Except I don't think it has been. I mean, is there anybody who thinks the 3 annual games per school was optimized for maximum TV ratings?

I think it’s much better than before, yes. No team should be loaded up with three difficult yearly games plus the rotating schedule. I think people are underestimating the variety of the rotating opponents and the difficulty associated with that, not to mention the marquee games occurring more often. Plus there are only so many time slots and after that you’re competing with yourself.

(01-13-2023 01:36 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The ACC has the worst conference leadership. It’s been that way for decades. Long before John Swafford the parochial thinking of the league kept it a small regional basketball. The only reason FSU got in when they did was because their basketball wasn’t a threat to the basketball powers in the conference at the time.

This league has always been a day late to every party

That’s just 100% untrue.

The ACC swiped FSU out from the SEC grasp.

They added juggernaut of the time Miami to create the best 90’s football rivalry. It didn’t pan out. Leadership fault?

Bringing Virginia Tech in is welcoming home the long lost cousin.

BC market add, eh. They were always the little engine that could. Not terrible but politics are politics and maybe adding Louisville at that point would have been optimal.

The ACC tried to get rid of divisions 20 years ago. They secured the Orange Bowl. They added Notre Dame.

Your post was ignorant.

(01-13-2023 02:35 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 01:36 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The ACC has the worst conference leadership. It’s been that way for decades. Long before John Swafford the parochial thinking of the league kept it a small regional basketball. The only reason FSU got in when they did was because their basketball wasn’t a threat to the basketball powers in the conference at the time.

This league has always been a day late to every party

Louisville seemed happy to join the ACC. I wonder why. Have you gotten a better offer since then?

When you’re sitting in first class on the Titanic even a seat in steerage on the Lusitania is appealing for a short time anyway.

(01-13-2023 03:55 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 02:35 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 01:36 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The ACC has the worst conference leadership. It’s been that way for decades. Long before John Swafford the parochial thinking of the league kept it a small regional basketball. The only reason FSU got in when they did was because their basketball wasn’t a threat to the basketball powers in the conference at the time.

This league has always been a day late to every party

Louisville seemed happy to join the ACC. I wonder why. Have you gotten a better offer since then?

When you’re sitting in first class on the Titanic even a seat in steerage on the Lusitania is appealing for a short time anyway.

Doesn’t make sense. Louisville has a conference network and makes more than the Big XII schools. They’re not getting into the SEC and damn sure aren’t getting into the Big 10.

From David Teel

He has yet to relocate his family from Chicago, in part because of his youngest son’s schooling, in part because of uncertainty regarding the ACC’s headquarters. ...

Given that rocky tenure, might Big Ten presidents and chancellors opt for more conventional and stable candidates with Big Ten connections? If so, Phillips and Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith fit the bill.

https://richmond.com/sports/college/teel...72514.html

I hope the B1G takes him back. If that happens, I suspect that the next ACC commissioner will be a Tobacco Road guy.

Edit: Would Rob Temple be considered?

Officiating has been better since Phillips arrived. I’d rather have Tom Jurich than another Tobacco Road guy.

(01-13-2023 02:35 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 01:36 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The ACC has the worst conference leadership. It’s been that way for decades. Long before John Swafford the parochial thinking of the league kept it a small regional basketball. The only reason FSU got in when they did was because their basketball wasn’t a threat to the basketball powers in the conference at the time.

This league has always been a day late to every party

Louisville seemed happy to join the ACC. I wonder why. Have you gotten a better offer since then?

Well, you do have to give credit where credit is due.

Louisville parleyed playing only two to five P-5 football teams a years for 80 years before making into the ACC. In 92 they played 7 P-5's. In 94, 05, 06, 07, 09, and 11 they played 6.

Think of the massive lack of investment made in football from the 1920's until 2000's. You have to admit, no one games the system as well as Louisville.

(01-13-2023 07:07 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Officiating has been better since Phillips arrived. I’d rather have Tom Jurich than another Tobacco Road guy.

I can't see anyone involved with the YUM Center Deal getting hired as Commissioner. While deals like that work in some parts of the US, it might be an issue with the Governor's and General Assemblies in NC and Va.

(01-13-2023 09:16 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 07:07 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Officiating has been better since Phillips arrived. I’d rather have Tom Jurich than another Tobacco Road guy.

I can't see anyone involved with the YUM Center Deal getting hired as Commissioner. While deals like that work in some parts of the US, it might be an issue with the Governor's and General Assemblies in NC and Va.

Huh? Are you saying they're afraid of a commissioner who might bring in TOO MUCH revenue? What are you even saying here? Do you think the YUM Center deal is illegal?

(01-13-2023 10:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 09:16 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 07:07 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Officiating has been better since Phillips arrived. I’d rather have Tom Jurich than another Tobacco Road guy.

I can't see anyone involved with the YUM Center Deal getting hired as Commissioner. While deals like that work in some parts of the US, it might be an issue with the Governor's and General Assemblies in NC and Va.

Huh? Are you saying they're afraid of a commissioner who might bring in TOO MUCH revenue? What are you even saying here? Do you think the YUM Center deal is illegal?

I doubt it's legal in NC or Va.

I don't know KY law.

I do know it's unprecedented for a college team to get a new arena built for it, to get all of the money from the arena, and to have free tickets for distribution or sale to other events in that arena.

(01-13-2023 10:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 09:16 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 07:07 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Officiating has been better since Phillips arrived. I’d rather have Tom Jurich than another Tobacco Road guy.

I can't see anyone involved with the YUM Center Deal getting hired as Commissioner. While deals like that work in some parts of the US, it might be an issue with the Governor's and General Assemblies in NC and Va.

Huh? Are you saying they're afraid of a commissioner who might bring in TOO MUCH revenue? What are you even saying here? Do you think the YUM Center deal is illegal?

Real fishy.

(01-13-2023 09:16 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 07:07 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Officiating has been better since Phillips arrived. I’d rather have Tom Jurich than another Tobacco Road guy.

I can't see anyone involved with the YUM Center Deal getting hired as Commissioner. While deals like that work in some parts of the US, it might be an issue with the Governor's and General Assemblies in NC and Va.

Actually Tom Jurich and Rick Pitino wanted it on Campus. It was the Mayor,Governor and local Business folks that penned the Riverfront. The same group wanted the NBA to move a team here and Rick and Tom were against that

(01-14-2023 11:42 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 09:16 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 07:07 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Officiating has been better since Phillips arrived. I’d rather have Tom Jurich than another Tobacco Road guy.

I can't see anyone involved with the YUM Center Deal getting hired as Commissioner. While deals like that work in some parts of the US, it might be an issue with the Governor's and General Assemblies in NC and Va.

Actually Tom Jurich and Rick Pitino wanted it on Campus. It was the Mayor,Governor and local Business folks that penned the Riverfront. The same group wanted the NBA to move a team here and Rick and Tom were against that

I was living in Charlotte during the startup of the Hornets, Panthers, and Bobcats. Trust me - those professional teams drove bargains at least as one-sided as Louisville did! The city of Charlotte built 2 arenas for the NBA and a very expensive downtown football stadium for the Panthers (and were contemplating razing that one and building another, better one, a few blocks away before Tepper agreed they could simply renovate the one they have).

Charlotte is by no means unique in this. NFL and NBA owners hold their host cities hostage all the time with the threat of moving to another city. So while colleges can't really threaten to move (Wake Forest says "hi"), they can threaten to build their own - which is what UL did - in order to get better terms. I think the NC and VA schools don't like it simply because they didn't get the same deal (although I don't see why NC State can't have a sweetheart deal with Raleigh... oh, yeah, UNC and Duke jealousy!).

(01-15-2023 08:41 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 11:42 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 09:16 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 07:07 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Officiating has been better since Phillips arrived. I’d rather have Tom Jurich than another Tobacco Road guy.

I can't see anyone involved with the YUM Center Deal getting hired as Commissioner. While deals like that work in some parts of the US, it might be an issue with the Governor's and General Assemblies in NC and Va.

Actually Tom Jurich and Rick Pitino wanted it on Campus. It was the Mayor,Governor and local Business folks that penned the Riverfront. The same group wanted the NBA to move a team here and Rick and Tom were against that

I was living in Charlotte during the startup of the Hornets, Panthers, and Bobcats. Trust me - those professional teams drove bargains at least as one-sided as Louisville did! The city of Charlotte built 2 arenas for the NBA and a very expensive downtown football stadium for the Panthers (and were contemplating razing that one and building another, better one, a few blocks away before Tepper agreed they could simply renovate the one they have).

Charlotte is by no means unique in this. NFL and NBA owners hold their host cities hostage all the time with the threat of moving to another city. So while colleges can't really threaten to move (Wake Forest says "hi"), they can threaten to build their own - which is what UL did - in order to get better terms. I think the NC and VA schools don't like it simply because they didn't get the same deal (although I don't see why NC State can't have a sweetheart deal with Raleigh... oh, yeah, UNC and Duke jealousy!).

Bingo.

U of L would be better off with their own arena on campus. (And there's a perfect spot for it, currently used for parking trucks. Just north of the football and soccer stadiums, and just south of newly built Denny Crum Hall).

The only reason the Yum Center is viable is because U of L is their primary tenant. Pull that away and the city defaults on their obligations and takes a massive hit. The state would feel some pain too.


Maybe some day U of L can do what they did in building the football stadium --WITHOUT state support BTW -- and build an on-campus arena, where they reap 100% of the revenues.