(03-13-2023 05:17 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(03-12-2023 07:01 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Clemson got screwed.

Beat NCSU 3X by 14, 25, and 26
Beat Duke
Beat Pitt at Pitt
Beat PSU

Can't figure out NCSU's seed in comparison.

I didn't have Clemson in my bracket. They had a NET of 60 and lost two Quad 4 games, one to South Carolina and one to Loyola. They also had a pathetic non conference schedule. That being said, NC State has no business being in the field over Clemson having lost to them three times, especially with just one Quad 1 win. Weren't we saying all season that was why North Carolina didn't belong in the field? I can stomach Pittsburgh being in the field more even though they also lost to Clemson (and at home). Their NET was lower than Clemson and they also had a Quad 4 loss but at least they had four Quad 1 wins. It was clear this Selection Committee didn't care about Quad 1 wins.

Nobody knows what the committee is doing because they aren’t consistent. Arizona St got in and they have a horrible NET. Utah St got in and they have a horrible SOS and Nevada played nobody. Apparently they take injuries into account yet didn’t give Carolina a break for their best player being hobbled most of the year.

(03-12-2023 10:14 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I thought there was a rule you couldn’t decline an NIT bid, bad move by UNC in any event

No. Teams have literally been declining the NIT since it started but apparently everyone gets their ass chapped this season when a team does it.

(03-12-2023 11:20 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(03-12-2023 09:42 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-12-2023 08:36 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(03-12-2023 07:57 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-12-2023 07:24 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Hey...the entire ACC could have split that NIT money.

The NIT is a shadow of its former self—they don't even play in MSG anymore. You end up at like the 4th best arena in Vegas.

That said, I would have played the reserves, but I imagine their hearts weren't in it either.

You play in whatever opportunity you have to extend the season. You play for the love of the game and a chance to win a championship, and because that is what actual competitors do. It's a b*tch ass move to just up and quit because things didn't go the way you thought they should have. Zero respect for UNC.

Says who? It’s a meaningless invitational tournament and they didn’t want to play in it for whatever reason. I’m sure UNC will be fine without your respect. The committee and really nobody respected the conference this year. This is what happens.

Two years ago, Dook and Louisville declined the NIT. Do you respect them, or did you even know that?

Dayton and I think it’s Texas Tech declined this season’s NIT as well. Better add them to your list.

Says nearly anyone that has ever been a coach.

Teams turning it down in 2021 was a completely different situation: COVID pandemic was still going on with a lot of unknowns, constant testing, and all games having to be played in a bubble in Dallas suburbs was a lot different than the pansy decision of turning down a bid today. Texas Tech's coach just resigned Wednesday after a "racially insensitive comment"... their players are all running for the portal...not sure they have enough players left...and they announced they wouldn't be playing in any postseason on Thursday so they may not have even received a bid.

I don't respect anyone declining it. Shameful, weak, garbage decisions by all.

Stop acting like this is outlandish. Teams have been declining the NIT since its inception. I remember Cremins and GaTech doing it in the 90’s out of protest to being “snubbed” and they named the court after him.

Duke and Louisville would have played in the NCAAs that year no doubt.

You have no clue what’s happening behind the scenes. Bacot has been injured and surely wouldn’t have played. Love said he wanted to after the UVa loss. Davis hardly used his bench (my biggest gripe), maybe they’re all leaving?

(03-13-2023 05:43 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 05:17 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(03-12-2023 07:01 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Clemson got screwed.

Beat NCSU 3X by 14, 25, and 26
Beat Duke
Beat Pitt at Pitt
Beat PSU

Can't figure out NCSU's seed in comparison.

I didn't have Clemson in my bracket. They had a NET of 60 and lost two Quad 4 games, one to South Carolina and one to Loyola. They also had a pathetic non conference schedule. That being said, NC State has no business being in the field over Clemson having lost to them three times, especially with just one Quad 1 win. Weren't we saying all season that was why North Carolina didn't belong in the field? I can stomach Pittsburgh being in the field more even though they also lost to Clemson (and at home). Their NET was lower than Clemson and they also had a Quad 4 loss but at least they had four Quad 1 wins. It was clear this Selection Committee didn't care about Quad 1 wins.

Nobody knows what the committee is doing because they aren’t consistent. Arizona St got in and they have a horrible NET. Utah St got in and they have a horrible SOS and Nevada played nobody. Apparently they take injuries into account yet didn’t give Carolina a break for their best player being hobbled most of the year.

We finally agree on something esayem!

(03-12-2023 07:57 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-12-2023 07:24 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Hey...the entire ACC could have split that NIT money.

The NIT is a shadow of its former self—they don't even play in MSG anymore. You end up at like the 4th best arena in Vegas.

That said, I would have played the reserves, but I imagine their hearts weren't in it either.

as dabo says ...
if you ain’t practicing ...
you ain’t getting better ...

DERELICTION OF DUTY

Quote:SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- The Notre Dame football season is officially over.

Athletic director Jack Swarbrick announced Friday that the school has decided against going to a bowl game with a 6-6 record, citing "unique circumstances." He didn't elaborate ...

NOT UNHEARD OF

(03-13-2023 05:17 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(03-12-2023 07:01 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Clemson got screwed.

Beat NCSU 3X by 14, 25, and 26
Beat Duke
Beat Pitt at Pitt
Beat PSU

Can't figure out NCSU's seed in comparison.

I didn't have Clemson in my bracket. They had a NET of 60 and lost two Quad 4 games, one to South Carolina and one to Loyola. They also had a pathetic non conference schedule. That being said, NC State has no business being in the field over Clemson having lost to them three times, especially with just one Quad 1 win. Weren't we saying all season that was why North Carolina didn't belong in the field? I can stomach Pittsburgh being in the field more even though they also lost to Clemson (and at home). Their NET was lower than Clemson and they also had a Quad 4 loss but at least they had four Quad 1 wins. It was clear this Selection Committee didn't care about Quad 1 wins.

https://twitter.com/ClemsonSports/status...0902548481

explain what net is ...
quad 4 games, too ...

IN LAYMAN’S TERMS

(03-13-2023 06:45 AM)green Wrote:  

Quote:SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- The Notre Dame football season is officially over.

Athletic director Jack Swarbrick announced Friday that the school has decided against going to a bowl game with a 6-6 record, citing "unique circumstances." He didn't elaborate ...

NOT UNHEARD OF

Don’t get me started, it’s okay for ABC

ANYBODY BUT CAROLINA

(03-13-2023 07:03 AM)green Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 05:17 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(03-12-2023 07:01 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Clemson got screwed.

Beat NCSU 3X by 14, 25, and 26
Beat Duke
Beat Pitt at Pitt
Beat PSU

Can't figure out NCSU's seed in comparison.

I didn't have Clemson in my bracket. They had a NET of 60 and lost two Quad 4 games, one to South Carolina and one to Loyola. They also had a pathetic non conference schedule. That being said, NC State has no business being in the field over Clemson having lost to them three times, especially with just one Quad 1 win. Weren't we saying all season that was why North Carolina didn't belong in the field? I can stomach Pittsburgh being in the field more even though they also lost to Clemson (and at home). Their NET was lower than Clemson and they also had a Quad 4 loss but at least they had four Quad 1 wins. It was clear this Selection Committee didn't care about Quad 1 wins.

https://twitter.com/ClemsonSports/status...0902548481

explain what net is ...
quad 4 games, too ...

IN LAYMAN’S TERMS

Utah State has an atrocious strength of schedule, and lost two Quad 4 games, including one at home and one at a neutral site. Their two Quad 1 wins were vs Boise State. Yes, Boise State is a Quad 1 win lol

So what to do with Utah State? 10 seed, no doubt!

(03-13-2023 07:18 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 07:03 AM)green Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 05:17 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(03-12-2023 07:01 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Clemson got screwed.

Beat NCSU 3X by 14, 25, and 26
Beat Duke
Beat Pitt at Pitt
Beat PSU

Can't figure out NCSU's seed in comparison.

I didn't have Clemson in my bracket. They had a NET of 60 and lost two Quad 4 games, one to South Carolina and one to Loyola. They also had a pathetic non conference schedule. That being said, NC State has no business being in the field over Clemson having lost to them three times, especially with just one Quad 1 win. Weren't we saying all season that was why North Carolina didn't belong in the field? I can stomach Pittsburgh being in the field more even though they also lost to Clemson (and at home). Their NET was lower than Clemson and they also had a Quad 4 loss but at least they had four Quad 1 wins. It was clear this Selection Committee didn't care about Quad 1 wins.

https://twitter.com/ClemsonSports/status...0902548481

explain what net is ...
quad 4 games, too ...

IN LAYMAN’S TERMS

Utah State has an atrocious strength of schedule, and lost two Quad 4 games, including one at home and one at a neutral site. Their two Quad 1 wins were vs Boise State. Yes, Boise State is a Quad 1 win lol

So what to do with Utah State? 10 seed, no doubt!

Clemson's NET: 60
Utah State's NET: 19

BIG difference.

(03-13-2023 07:36 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 07:18 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 07:03 AM)green Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 05:17 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(03-12-2023 07:01 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Clemson got screwed.

Beat NCSU 3X by 14, 25, and 26
Beat Duke
Beat Pitt at Pitt
Beat PSU

Can't figure out NCSU's seed in comparison.

I didn't have Clemson in my bracket. They had a NET of 60 and lost two Quad 4 games, one to South Carolina and one to Loyola. They also had a pathetic non conference schedule. That being said, NC State has no business being in the field over Clemson having lost to them three times, especially with just one Quad 1 win. Weren't we saying all season that was why North Carolina didn't belong in the field? I can stomach Pittsburgh being in the field more even though they also lost to Clemson (and at home). Their NET was lower than Clemson and they also had a Quad 4 loss but at least they had four Quad 1 wins. It was clear this Selection Committee didn't care about Quad 1 wins.

https://twitter.com/ClemsonSports/status...0902548481

explain what net is ...
quad 4 games, too ...

IN LAYMAN’S TERMS

Utah State has an atrocious strength of schedule, and lost two Quad 4 games, including one at home and one at a neutral site. Their two Quad 1 wins were vs Boise State. Yes, Boise State is a Quad 1 win lol

So what to do with Utah State? 10 seed, no doubt!

Clemson's NET: 60
Utah State's NET: 19

BIG difference.

Arizona State's NET: 66

UNC's NET: 46

So throw NET out the window.



UNC vs Q3 and Q4: 13-0

So throw terrible losses out the window


Ask yourself, and be honest: who would Vegas favor in any game between Carolina and Utah St., Arizona St., Boise St., and Nevada? Hell, throw Miss State in there too.

That is why the Heels declined the garbage NIT. Good for them!

Looks like Clemson and UNC got snubbed. Still, probably would have had home court advantage in the NIT.

(03-13-2023 09:57 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 07:36 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 07:18 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 07:03 AM)green Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 05:17 AM)schmolik Wrote:  I didn't have Clemson in my bracket. They had a NET of 60 and lost two Quad 4 games, one to South Carolina and one to Loyola. They also had a pathetic non conference schedule. That being said, NC State has no business being in the field over Clemson having lost to them three times, especially with just one Quad 1 win. Weren't we saying all season that was why North Carolina didn't belong in the field? I can stomach Pittsburgh being in the field more even though they also lost to Clemson (and at home). Their NET was lower than Clemson and they also had a Quad 4 loss but at least they had four Quad 1 wins. It was clear this Selection Committee didn't care about Quad 1 wins.

https://twitter.com/ClemsonSports/status...0902548481

explain what net is ...
quad 4 games, too ...

IN LAYMAN’S TERMS

Utah State has an atrocious strength of schedule, and lost two Quad 4 games, including one at home and one at a neutral site. Their two Quad 1 wins were vs Boise State. Yes, Boise State is a Quad 1 win lol

So what to do with Utah State? 10 seed, no doubt!

Clemson's NET: 60
Utah State's NET: 19

BIG difference.

Arizona State's NET: 66

UNC's NET: 46

So throw NET out the window.



UNC vs Q3 and Q4: 13-0

So throw terrible losses out the window


Ask yourself, and be honest: who would Vegas favor in any game between Carolina and Utah St., Arizona St., Boise St., and Nevada? Hell, throw Miss State in there too.

That is why the Heels declined the garbage NIT. Good for them!

Sounds like you’re really hurting. That’s such a shame.

(03-12-2023 07:24 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Hey...the entire ACC could have split that NIT money.

There's NIT money?

(03-13-2023 07:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-12-2023 07:24 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Hey...the entire ACC could have split that NIT money.

There's NIT money?

Burger King coupons?

(03-13-2023 06:40 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 09:57 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 07:36 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 07:18 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 07:03 AM)green Wrote:  

https://twitter.com/ClemsonSports/status...0902548481

explain what net is ...
quad 4 games, too ...

IN LAYMAN’S TERMS

Utah State has an atrocious strength of schedule, and lost two Quad 4 games, including one at home and one at a neutral site. Their two Quad 1 wins were vs Boise State. Yes, Boise State is a Quad 1 win lol

So what to do with Utah State? 10 seed, no doubt!

Clemson's NET: 60
Utah State's NET: 19

BIG difference.

Arizona State's NET: 66

UNC's NET: 46

So throw NET out the window.



UNC vs Q3 and Q4: 13-0

So throw terrible losses out the window


Ask yourself, and be honest: who would Vegas favor in any game between Carolina and Utah St., Arizona St., Boise St., and Nevada? Hell, throw Miss State in there too.

That is why the Heels declined the garbage NIT. Good for them!

Sounds like you’re really hurting. That’s such a shame.

Not really, I figured it was coming. Had some hope for the First 4 when I saw State got in unscathed though. I knew I wasn’t a crazy fan after Ken on the main board did some detailed analysis. UNC should have been an 11, not even in the First Four. What can you do? Skip the NIT just like Coach K and Cremins, I suppose.

Some of the ACC really needs to get their **** together because we are losing tournament spots to Mountain West and trash teams. I’m looking directly at Syracuse, Notre Dame, Louisville, and Florida State.

(03-13-2023 05:53 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-12-2023 11:20 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(03-12-2023 09:42 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-12-2023 08:36 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(03-12-2023 07:57 PM)esayem Wrote:  The NIT is a shadow of its former self—they don't even play in MSG anymore. You end up at like the 4th best arena in Vegas.

That said, I would have played the reserves, but I imagine their hearts weren't in it either.

You play in whatever opportunity you have to extend the season. You play for the love of the game and a chance to win a championship, and because that is what actual competitors do. It's a b*tch ass move to just up and quit because things didn't go the way you thought they should have. Zero respect for UNC.

Says who? It’s a meaningless invitational tournament and they didn’t want to play in it for whatever reason. I’m sure UNC will be fine without your respect. The committee and really nobody respected the conference this year. This is what happens.

Two years ago, Dook and Louisville declined the NIT. Do you respect them, or did you even know that?

Dayton and I think it’s Texas Tech declined this season’s NIT as well. Better add them to your list.

Says nearly anyone that has ever been a coach.

Teams turning it down in 2021 was a completely different situation: COVID pandemic was still going on with a lot of unknowns, constant testing, and all games having to be played in a bubble in Dallas suburbs was a lot different than the pansy decision of turning down a bid today. Texas Tech's coach just resigned Wednesday after a "racially insensitive comment"... their players are all running for the portal...not sure they have enough players left...and they announced they wouldn't be playing in any postseason on Thursday so they may not have even received a bid.

I don't respect anyone declining it. Shameful, weak, garbage decisions by all.

Stop acting like this is outlandish. Teams have been declining the NIT since its inception. I remember Cremins and GaTech doing it in the 90’s out of protest to being “snubbed” and they named the court after him.

Duke and Louisville would have played in the NCAAs that year no doubt.

You have no clue what’s happening behind the scenes. Bacot has been injured and surely wouldn’t have played. Love said he wanted to after the UVa loss. Davis hardly used his bench (my biggest gripe), maybe they’re all leaving?

Wrong for Cremins, wrong now.

Pitt wins the play in game. Wins the ACC another tournament credit.

(03-12-2023 07:01 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Clemson got screwed.

Beat NCSU 3X by 14, 25, and 26
Beat Duke
Beat Pitt at Pitt
Beat PSU

Can't figure out NCSU's seed in comparison.

Negate all these wins just by losing to Louisville.

(03-14-2023 07:35 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 06:40 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 09:57 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 07:36 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(03-13-2023 07:18 AM)esayem Wrote:  Utah State has an atrocious strength of schedule, and lost two Quad 4 games, including one at home and one at a neutral site. Their two Quad 1 wins were vs Boise State. Yes, Boise State is a Quad 1 win lol

So what to do with Utah State? 10 seed, no doubt!

Clemson's NET: 60
Utah State's NET: 19

BIG difference.

Arizona State's NET: 66

UNC's NET: 46

So throw NET out the window.



UNC vs Q3 and Q4: 13-0

So throw terrible losses out the window


Ask yourself, and be honest: who would Vegas favor in any game between Carolina and Utah St., Arizona St., Boise St., and Nevada? Hell, throw Miss State in there too.

That is why the Heels declined the garbage NIT. Good for them!

Sounds like you’re really hurting. That’s such a shame.

Not really, I figured it was coming. Had some hope for the First 4 when I saw State got in unscathed though. I knew I wasn’t a crazy fan after Ken on the main board did some detailed analysis. UNC should have been an 11, not even in the First Four. What can you do? Skip the NIT just like Coach K and Cremins, I suppose.

Some of the ACC really needs to get their **** together because we are losing tournament spots to Mountain West and trash teams. I’m looking directly at Syracuse, Notre Dame, Louisville, and Florida State.

While the latter three are terrible, I think Syracuse is doing OK this season even with some bad luck. They have a freshman point guard and he cannot close the game as expected, being a freshman. The performance just met the expectation.