I would agree with most of this...especially the part about him stopping talking.

(05-15-2023 03:16 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 01:44 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 12:54 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Ukraine - Fantastic answer at the CNN Town Hall. Tell the American people he will work to end the conflict with future US dollars going down the drain. Continue to call on European NATO countries to do more. Acknowledge that this is has become a proxy war and say he will end it before it gets more Ukrainians, Russians, and eventually Americans killed.

These are all good points, but I'm not sure about this one. Of course, everyone is for an end to this war, but just stating that he will end it doesn't mean anything if he doesn't provide a means by which he plans to do so (and he will surely be asked exactly what that plan is). Right now neither Ukraine nor Russia appear to have any interest in negotiating, so I doubt even the POTUS has the ability to end this thing quickly.

Biden has done nothing by pump money into Ukraine and done nothing of consequence to deter Russia. Trump could threaten to cut the money off and with a Republican Congress put real punitive measures on Russia. The European market would be a nice place for the US to offload oil and natural gas as a bonus.

I think history has demonstrated that sanctions don't work. Especially in the case of Russia where the Chinese and Indian markets will happily cover for the US market. In that context, there's nothing that the US can do that would act as a greater incentive to Putin than the capture of Ukraine.

(05-15-2023 04:36 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 03:16 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 01:44 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 12:54 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Ukraine - Fantastic answer at the CNN Town Hall. Tell the American people he will work to end the conflict with future US dollars going down the drain. Continue to call on European NATO countries to do more. Acknowledge that this is has become a proxy war and say he will end it before it gets more Ukrainians, Russians, and eventually Americans killed.

These are all good points, but I'm not sure about this one. Of course, everyone is for an end to this war, but just stating that he will end it doesn't mean anything if he doesn't provide a means by which he plans to do so (and he will surely be asked exactly what that plan is). Right now neither Ukraine nor Russia appear to have any interest in negotiating, so I doubt even the POTUS has the ability to end this thing quickly.

Biden has done nothing by pump money into Ukraine and done nothing of consequence to deter Russia. Trump could threaten to cut the money off and with a Republican Congress put real punitive measures on Russia. The European market would be a nice place for the US to offload oil and natural gas as a bonus.

I think history has demonstrated that sanctions don't work. Especially in the case of Russia where the Chinese and Indian markets will happily cover for the US market. In that context, there's nothing that the US can do that would act as a greater incentive to Putin than the capture of Ukraine.

please explain the context of "sanction failure" via 20th/21st century doctrine...

certainly, you realize it's a different caveat via the fiat, Ja?! ... #nevermind

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(05-15-2023 04:36 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 03:16 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 01:44 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 12:54 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Ukraine - Fantastic answer at the CNN Town Hall. Tell the American people he will work to end the conflict with future US dollars going down the drain. Continue to call on European NATO countries to do more. Acknowledge that this is has become a proxy war and say he will end it before it gets more Ukrainians, Russians, and eventually Americans killed.

These are all good points, but I'm not sure about this one. Of course, everyone is for an end to this war, but just stating that he will end it doesn't mean anything if he doesn't provide a means by which he plans to do so (and he will surely be asked exactly what that plan is). Right now neither Ukraine nor Russia appear to have any interest in negotiating, so I doubt even the POTUS has the ability to end this thing quickly.

Biden has done nothing by pump money into Ukraine and done nothing of consequence to deter Russia. Trump could threaten to cut the money off and with a Republican Congress put real punitive measures on Russia. The European market would be a nice place for the US to offload oil and natural gas as a bonus.

I think history has demonstrated that sanctions don't work. Especially in the case of Russia where the Chinese and Indian markets will happily cover for the US market. In that context, there's nothing that the US can do that would act as a greater incentive to Putin than the capture of Ukraine.

Sure there is. Undercut the price of ng and oil flowing from Russia to Europe. Even at a loss for the US to put enough pressure on Putin to come to the table.

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