(06-08-2023 03:50 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(06-08-2023 03:29 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Actually like fewer protected games if works like this. Could have protected more, but essential ones are and more roation on the rest.

I haven't gone through everyone's scheduled but Rutgers certainly plays all 15 teams over two years and I assume everyone else does as well.

Yes, all schools will meet at least once every 2 years.

(06-08-2023 03:53 PM)ENCterrapin Wrote:  Interesting.

I still would prefer a 3/6/6 model for every school, but I'll take it.

Most surprising is no Ohio st vs Penn st protected game more than Penn st vs eastern schools or other non-protected games between conference mates.

Would of enjoyed a Trojans vs Spartans protected game.

The important thing is everyone plays everyone at least once every two seasons.

Now the question is how long does this scheduling model last.

Definitely agree with you about Penn State as well as Maryland and Rutgers. I feel like all three schools got screwed out of their #1 money games. Other than UCLA/USC, all 11 "protected rivalries" are Midwestern games. How is Illinois/Purdue more important than Ohio State/Penn State? I'm from Illinois and I don't even care about Purdue.

I don't know how important the "protected rivalries" are. They sound good but it should be obvious that Michigan and Ohio State will play every year and Indiana and Purdue will play every year. Come 2026/2027 they can just get rid of some of these and add others.

Was TV consulted? This is one fewer PSU/OSU game. I guess if the Big Ten has their money they don't care if Ohio State and Penn State plays all Purdue's and Rutgers's now but watch their ratings plummet.

So Penn State plays Rutgers twice and Maryland away in 2024-25. I wouldn't be surprised if they play Maryland twice and Rutgers away in 2026-27. Penn State gets the benefit of playing away games in better recruiting grounds and home games with better opponents. Maryland and Rutgers get their big money home game twice every four years.

(06-08-2023 04:14 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(06-08-2023 03:53 PM)ENCterrapin Wrote:  Interesting.

I still would prefer a 3/6/6 model for every school, but I'll take it.

Most surprising is no Ohio st vs Penn st protected game more than Penn st vs eastern schools or other non-protected games between conference mates.

Would of enjoyed a Trojans vs Spartans protected game.

The important thing is everyone plays everyone at least once every two seasons.

Now the question is how long does this scheduling model last.

Definitely agree with you about Penn State as well as Maryland and Rutgers. I feel like all three schools got screwed out of their #1 money games. Other than UCLA/USC, all 11 "protected rivalries" are Midwestern games. How is Illinois/Purdue more important than Ohio State/Penn State? I'm from Illinois and I don't even care about Purdue.

I don't know how important the "protected rivalries" are. They sound good but it should be obvious that Michigan and Ohio State will play every year and Indiana and Purdue will play every year. Come 2026/2027 they can just get rid of some of these and add others.

Was TV consulted? This is one fewer PSU/OSU game. I guess if the Big Ten has their money they don't care if Ohio State and Penn State plays all Purdue's and Rutgers's now but watch their ratings plummet.

Looking at the math behind this, if you take something that's not officially a "protected rival", but you make it an alternating "two-play" for both schools, then those schools will play 75% of the time, which is 3 home games each vs the other every 8 years (and excluding any potential CCG matchups). If TV ratings demand more OSU/PSU (or UM-USC or Nebraska-USC, or whatever), they can just two-play it. Actually gives a lot of flexibility into the scheduling if they keep rolling it out 2 years at a time. I wish OOC scheduling was as flexible.

I imagine both schools had to consent to a protected rivalry, and if both didn't but the conference wanted it they'd just play 75% of the time instead of 100%. So I presume that Illinois and Purdue mutually wanted that pairing?

Honestly this scheduling format looks super cool and I'm jealous. The SEC should adopt this once we figure out the 9th game. Mostly because you could adjust some two-plays and home/away pairings to balance out some competitive issues and use that to give Auburn their UGA/Bama/UF rivalries and UF could have UGA/AU and then play UT & LSU with alternating two-plays. Vandy could still get Tennessee, and then not be locked to anyone else. Tennessee can have Bama/Vandy, and then alternate UF and UK, or I guess Tennessee could have Bama/UK, and alternate us and UF.

(06-08-2023 04:14 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(06-08-2023 03:53 PM)ENCterrapin Wrote:  Interesting.

I still would prefer a 3/6/6 model for every school, but I'll take it.

Most surprising is no Ohio st vs Penn st protected game more than Penn st vs eastern schools or other non-protected games between conference mates.

Would of enjoyed a Trojans vs Spartans protected game.

The important thing is everyone plays everyone at least once every two seasons.

Now the question is how long does this scheduling model last.

Definitely agree with you about Penn State as well as Maryland and Rutgers. I feel like all three schools got screwed out of their #1 money games. Other than UCLA/USC, all 11 "protected rivalries" are Midwestern games. How is Illinois/Purdue more important than Ohio State/Penn State? I'm from Illinois and I don't even care about Purdue.

I don't know how important the "protected rivalries" are. They sound good but it should be obvious that Michigan and Ohio State will play every year and Indiana and Purdue will play every year. Come 2026/2027 they can just get rid of some of these and add others.

Was TV consulted? This is one fewer PSU/OSU game. I guess if the Big Ten has their money they don't care if Ohio State and Penn State plays all Purdue's and Rutgers's now but watch their ratings plummet.

Sadly, I'm used to Maryland getting shafted in scheduling somehow, I'm numb to it. It's been that way since the ACC made their ridiculous division alignment that hurt Maryland fan support when they expanded to 12 schools, all the schools we cared about were put in the opposite division. I think there is at least a segment at all three east coast schools that is upset right now.

I don't see how PSU/OSU not being protected makes any sense at any level, fans/admins/networks.

I agree, even though they are border states, I had no idea Illinois/Purdue was a big thing.

The positive is that everyone plays everyone once every two years, sometimes 3 out of 4 years, but it could of been done with a 3/6/6 format. If this schedule format makes it past 2026, I don't think it will last much longer past that.

(06-08-2023 03:28 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  Told y'all that Ohio State-Penn State wasn't going to be protected

Just terrible. So dumb.

I assume the protected rivalries are trophy games?

(06-08-2023 05:09 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  I assume the protected rivalries are trophy games?

Many are trophy games but not all protected rivalries are trophy games and not all trophy games are protected.

(06-08-2023 03:52 PM)BeepBeepJeep Wrote:  

(06-08-2023 03:42 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m disappointed not to see Ohio St-Penn St protected. That’s been a good series over the years.

Squinting at the 2024 schedules, seems like Ohio St vs PSU or Ohio St vs USC are very likely CCG matchups. Michigan's schedule for 2024 looks hellacious, despite being back to back B1G champs. Nebraska also seems to have a softer 2024 schedule.

I'd bet that OSU-PSU, while not protected, is played 3 out of every 4 years.

Agreed. I like this model a lot.

I bet UCLA, OSU, and Maryland will be PSU's three two-play teams for '26 and '27.

That means MSU, OSU, Maryland, and Rutgers--the four closest things PSU has to rivals in the Big Ten--will be played 3 out of 4 years. And the other "newcomers" to the Big Ten--UCLA and USC--each get 3 out of 4 years with PSU as well. (Notice Nebraska also got UCLA in the first two-play)

(06-08-2023 05:09 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  I assume the protected rivalries are trophy games?

No, not all of them.

IL-OSU, MI-MN, MSU-PSU, MSU-IN, and MI-NW are all trophy games off the top of my head that aren’t protected. (I’m sure I’m missing some others.)

Not that I have any sympathy for Michigan...

but it's odd the Big Ten set them up for 8 home games in one year and 6 home games in the next. I know the conference doesn't necessarily care what the teams do with OOC, but with little time left, you'd have thought they could have flipflopped the years to make it 7 and 7.

(06-08-2023 05:00 PM)ENCterrapin Wrote:  

(06-08-2023 04:14 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(06-08-2023 03:53 PM)ENCterrapin Wrote:  Interesting.

I still would prefer a 3/6/6 model for every school, but I'll take it.

Most surprising is no Ohio st vs Penn st protected game more than Penn st vs eastern schools or other non-protected games between conference mates.

Would of enjoyed a Trojans vs Spartans protected game.

The important thing is everyone plays everyone at least once every two seasons.

Now the question is how long does this scheduling model last.

Definitely agree with you about Penn State as well as Maryland and Rutgers. I feel like all three schools got screwed out of their #1 money games. Other than UCLA/USC, all 11 "protected rivalries" are Midwestern games. How is Illinois/Purdue more important than Ohio State/Penn State? I'm from Illinois and I don't even care about Purdue.

I don't know how important the "protected rivalries" are. They sound good but it should be obvious that Michigan and Ohio State will play every year and Indiana and Purdue will play every year. Come 2026/2027 they can just get rid of some of these and add others.

Was TV consulted? This is one fewer PSU/OSU game. I guess if the Big Ten has their money they don't care if Ohio State and Penn State plays all Purdue's and Rutgers's now but watch their ratings plummet.

Sadly, I'm used to Maryland getting shafted in scheduling somehow, I'm numb to it. It's been that way since the ACC made their ridiculous division alignment that hurt Maryland fan support when they expanded to 12 schools, all the schools we cared about were put in the opposite division. I think there is at least a segment at all three east coast schools that is upset right now.

I don't see how PSU/OSU not being protected makes any sense at any level, fans/admins/networks.

I agree, even though they are border states, I had no idea Illinois/Purdue was a big thing.

The positive is that everyone plays everyone once every two years, sometimes 3 out of 4 years, but it could of been done with a 3/6/6 format. If this schedule format makes it past 2026, I don't think it will last much longer past that.

To be sure, Illinois and Purdue play for a cannon, so it’s a quality trophy. (IMHO, all great rivalry trophies are either a weapon or animal.) However, from a conference perspective, it’s insane to me that they’d get rid of OSU-PSU. Insane.

(06-08-2023 05:22 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  To be sure, Illinois and Purdue play for a cannon, so it’s a quality trophy. (IMHO, all great rivalry trophies are either a weapon or animal.) However, from a conference perspective, it’s insane to me that they’d get rid of OSU-PSU. Insane.

Absolutely offensive to the Little Brown Jug and the $5 Bits of Broken Chair Trophy.

(06-08-2023 05:24 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  

(06-08-2023 05:22 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  To be sure, Illinois and Purdue play for a cannon, so it’s a quality trophy. (IMHO, all great rivalry trophies are either a weapon or animal.) However, from a conference perspective, it’s insane to me that they’d get rid of OSU-PSU. Insane.

Absolutely offensive to the Little Brown Jug and the $5 Bits of Broken Chair Trophy.

True - I’ll grant that any alcohol delivery device or crowdsourced Twitter/Reddit/message board user trophy qualifies as also worthy.

I'm wondering how they'll handle rivalry weekend matchups if MSU/PSU isn't protected. I have to imagine that MSU and PSU would rather be permanent rivals than occasionally play Rutgers or Maryland on rivalry week.

My guess on PSU's finale...assuming the UMD and Rutgers always play the final weekend...

yes, it'll be MSU in 2024 and 2025.

Then at UCLA in 2026 (USC hosts Notre Dame on Nov. 28, 2026) with NO Michigan State on the schedule...and some Michigan State at home again in 2027.

UCLA is open for final weekend games besides USC every other year. Not sure who else besides PSU is missing a "protected" rival...

(06-08-2023 05:30 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(06-08-2023 05:24 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  

(06-08-2023 05:22 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  To be sure, Illinois and Purdue play for a cannon, so it’s a quality trophy. (IMHO, all great rivalry trophies are either a weapon or animal.) However, from a conference perspective, it’s insane to me that they’d get rid of OSU-PSU. Insane.

Absolutely offensive to the Little Brown Jug and the $5 Bits of Broken Chair Trophy.

True - I’ll grant that any alcohol delivery device or crowdsourced Twitter/Reddit/message board user trophy qualifies as also worthy.

I suppose the chair was allegedly for smashing over Goldy Gopher's back, so perhaps it qualifies as a weapon.

(06-08-2023 03:22 PM)Glenn360 Wrote:  Appears that Penn State has no protected opponents

No Penn St.-Maryland.

(06-08-2023 05:31 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  I'm wondering how they'll handle rivalry weekend matchups if MSU/PSU isn't protected. I have to imagine that MSU and PSU would rather be permanent rivals than occasionally play Rutgers or Maryland on rivalry week.

I haven't even thought about rivalry weekend. Looking at past schedules, excluding the covid season, it appears that PSU did a home and home rotation between Michigan st, Maryland, and Rutgers. I assume PSU will continue the same rotation now since they have no one protected but I'm grasping at straws on that

(06-08-2023 03:28 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  Told y'all that Ohio State-Penn State wasn't going to be protected

That surprises me. That is Penn St.'s only real rivalry.