(06-15-2023 02:03 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 01:48 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 10:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The SEC didn't take Oklahoma State.

Completely different animal than UNC and NCSU. Relatively small flyover state vs a state w/ 2 large media markets on the East coast.

The NC market is big, no question, but I'm not sure market matters so much here. Oklahoma (the school) was IMO clearly more valuable than UNC, football blue-bloods are the top of the heap. And yet, no OK State.

Plus, precisely because the SEC has Texas and Oklahoma in the fold, its need for UNC is less than its need for OU was two years ago, IMO.

Oklahomas TV value is their dominant share in DFW.

I find arguments like these completely ridiculous (so and so can't leave if so and so isn't invited too). There are 18 Division 1 schools in North Carolina and they don't all play in the same league.

Just look at the UNC System alone:
UNC Chapel Hill: ACC
UNC Greensboro: SOCON
UNC Wilmington: CAA
UNC Asheville: Big South

(06-21-2023 09:01 AM)mvfcfan Wrote:  I find arguments like these completely ridiculous (so and so can't leave if so and so isn't invited too). There are 18 Division 1 schools in North Carolina and they don't all play in the same league.

Just look at the UNC System alone:
UNC Chapel Hill: ACC
UNC Greensboro: SOCON
UNC Wilmington: CAA
UNC Asheville: Big South

I’m not being snarky, but you should probably do some research on the UNC system, its governing body, and politics within the state.

(06-21-2023 09:01 AM)mvfcfan Wrote:  I find arguments like these completely ridiculous (so and so can't leave if so and so isn't invited too). There are 18 Division 1 schools in North Carolina and they don't all play in the same league.

Just look at the UNC System alone:
UNC Chapel Hill: ACC
UNC Greensboro: SOCON
UNC Wilmington: CAA
UNC Asheville: Big South

look at that- UNC Charlottes branding is paying off. They are still officially UNC Charlotte. No hyphen though.

in NC, NC State is a distant 2nd in political power. They do have an outmoded presence in Raleigh of course, but I imagine if push came to shove and it was either UNC only to a P2 or no school in NC goes, UNC would be "allowed" to move to SEC/Big 10 without NC State.

(06-15-2023 03:26 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 02:40 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  The Magnificent 7 situation suggests that the P2 gaining some schools before 2037 is contingent upon the P2 finding homes for others on the list. It's a matter of the number of votes needed to make any of the schools available.

How about this:

SEC: 16 + Secret 7 + KU
B1G: 16 + 8 from current Pac
Conference 3: 11 from big 12, 7 leftovers from ACC, UConn, Memphis, USF, Boise, Or St, WSU

3 x 24

All of the Flagship AAU schools are in the P2. For that matter, every Flagship that's currently in the P5 other than WV ends up in the P2. Most importantly, DavidSt throws us all a HUGE virtual party with a blue field theme.

Not to be obtuse but technically Buffalo is an AAU state flagship that wouldn't be in the P2.

FSU, Miami, Clemson, and GT, and a few others that may not interest the P2 conferences, don’t have “sister” schools in the ACC that would make transitions more complicated.

Both the SEC and BIG don’t want to accept “tag-alongs” unless they will add measurable value and were being targeted anyway. Thus, there will be preferences for sought new members that can make rather clean escapes.

I don’t believe the BIG and the SEC will be adding more than two schools at a time. The hosting conferences don’t want internal shock and upturned apple carts. They seek assimilation with moderate steps, not great leaps.
Keeping the comfort zone is important to these University Presidents as they decide.

Though little is written about it, the SEC and BIG are working in tandem via private dialogue. There will be NO public battles over any particular additions. The one exception may be Notre Dame, who are notorious at cleverly playing one entity against another to reach the unique deals they envision. ND won’t fit into a trade-off scenario until a closure moment.

(06-21-2023 07:38 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 03:21 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 02:06 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 01:52 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 06:04 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I think the best fits for the SEC would be VaTech, Miami, FSU Clemson. While Carolina would not be included, it primarily is due to political matters such as this. NCSU should be able to get AAU in the next 5-10 years. In that case, the B1G will be forced to take all of Tobacco Road. NCSU/Duke/UNC/UVa, to complete a six team section with MD and RU.

WF, Cuse' BC', Pitt, UL end up in the Big 12. GaTech a bit of a wild card, but also a Big 12 team. Some schools could end up in the BE or AAC.

I still wouldn't want 2 NC or VA schools in the SEC, but I could see the SEC taking both NC St and VT if they're AAU, or the B1G taking one or both for that matter.

But...But...But.......................... you have two schools from MISSISSIPPI AND ALABAMA (for goodness sake)!

We're evaluating Expansion, not current members. Miss St gets just as much of a vote as Georgia does. Heck, Keenum might be the most influential President in the SEC right now.

Your argument works for OSU just as much as it does for NC St or both VA schools. We didn't need 2 in Oklahoma, or even 1 really, OU got in b/c they're a top 10 brand and have huge influence in North Texas. I'd take OU over any 2 schools COMBINED in the current ACC unless 1 of those schools was Clemson, FSU or UNC, and I'm confident that Sankey and our soon-to-be 16 Presidents would agree.

When and if the SEC starts culling some of the less valuable schools, Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, and MSU could be the first on the chopping block.
i

I very much doubt the SEC will ever cull any schools.

I guess we shall see.

(06-21-2023 09:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-21-2023 07:38 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 03:21 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 02:06 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 01:52 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  I still wouldn't want 2 NC or VA schools in the SEC, but I could see the SEC taking both NC St and VT if they're AAU, or the B1G taking one or both for that matter.

But...But...But.......................... you have two schools from MISSISSIPPI AND ALABAMA (for goodness sake)!

We're evaluating Expansion, not current members. Miss St gets just as much of a vote as Georgia does. Heck, Keenum might be the most influential President in the SEC right now.

Your argument works for OSU just as much as it does for NC St or both VA schools. We didn't need 2 in Oklahoma, or even 1 really, OU got in b/c they're a top 10 brand and have huge influence in North Texas. I'd take OU over any 2 schools COMBINED in the current ACC unless 1 of those schools was Clemson, FSU or UNC, and I'm confident that Sankey and our soon-to-be 16 Presidents would agree.

When and if the SEC starts culling some of the less valuable schools, Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, and MSU could be the first on the chopping block.
i

I very much doubt the SEC will ever cull any schools.

I guess we shall see.

People seem to forget that this isn't Div 3 kicking out St Thomas, & the ties that have held the SEC core together are thicker than other conferences. There's rivalry hate, but no one touches our schools unless that school wants out.

People make fun of the SEC chants, but there's a reason there's so much pride amongst the fanbases about the conference, & it's because we belong together as family.

(06-21-2023 11:33 AM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:  

(06-21-2023 09:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-21-2023 07:38 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 03:21 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 02:06 PM)XLance Wrote:  But...But...But.......................... you have two schools from MISSISSIPPI AND ALABAMA (for goodness sake)!

We're evaluating Expansion, not current members. Miss St gets just as much of a vote as Georgia does. Heck, Keenum might be the most influential President in the SEC right now.

Your argument works for OSU just as much as it does for NC St or both VA schools. We didn't need 2 in Oklahoma, or even 1 really, OU got in b/c they're a top 10 brand and have huge influence in North Texas. I'd take OU over any 2 schools COMBINED in the current ACC unless 1 of those schools was Clemson, FSU or UNC, and I'm confident that Sankey and our soon-to-be 16 Presidents would agree.

When and if the SEC starts culling some of the less valuable schools, Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, and MSU could be the first on the chopping block.
i

I very much doubt the SEC will ever cull any schools.

I guess we shall see.

People seem to forget that this isn't Div 3 kicking out St Thomas, & the ties that have held the SEC core together are thicker than other conferences. There's rivalry hate, but no one touches our schools unless that school wants out.

People make fun of the SEC chants, but there's a reason there's so much pride amongst the fanbases about the conference, & it's because we belong together as family.

It is a family. Just ask the Mannings. We've shared personnel, coaches, named buildings after people who ended their teaching professions at a rival school, you simply can't escape it. I buy jams and jellies from Mississippi State. Their fans are beloved everywhere they go. Tailgating before SEC games is a kind of reunion. The baseball fans from the various schools look for each other when we play and go to tournaments. It is simply different, and good.

(06-21-2023 08:47 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 02:03 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 01:48 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 10:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The SEC didn't take Oklahoma State.

Completely different animal than UNC and NCSU. Relatively small flyover state vs a state w/ 2 large media markets on the East coast.

The NC market is big, no question, but I'm not sure market matters so much here. Oklahoma (the school) was IMO clearly more valuable than UNC, football blue-bloods are the top of the heap. And yet, no OK State.

Plus, precisely because the SEC has Texas and Oklahoma in the fold, its need for UNC is less than its need for OU was two years ago, IMO.

Oklahomas TV value is their dominant share in DFW.

Oklahoma adds another big Brand to a conference that's full of them. UNC would add a basketball Brand and great academics to a conference that's weak in both. OU is a better because football is King, but UNC is still a good school and we'd love to have them when/if they decide to leave the ACC.

(06-21-2023 09:08 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-21-2023 09:01 AM)mvfcfan Wrote:  I find arguments like these completely ridiculous (so and so can't leave if so and so isn't invited too). There are 18 Division 1 schools in North Carolina and they don't all play in the same league.

Just look at the UNC System alone:
UNC Chapel Hill: ACC
UNC Greensboro: SOCON
UNC Wilmington: CAA
UNC Asheville: Big South

I’m not being snarky, but you should probably do some research on the UNC system, its governing body, and politics within the state.

I'm not being snarky, but you should probably look at how this "little brother gets to tag along with big brother" philosophy and how it's been shattered in other states. A&M and then Texas left all the little brothers, OU left little brother, UCLA left a bunch of little brothers. Red states, the Bluest and biggest state, but one thing in common: they didn't want schools left behind, but they eventually caved. The NC legislature doesn't HAVE to cave, but neither do the P2 need to share any of our money and further dilute our votes by bringing on charity cases. The B1G could add UW/UO/UVA/Miami, while the SEC adds Clemson and FSU, and we could both credibly claim a win. If wanted 2 more then 2 of VT, Colorado, Kansas and ASU would be much stronger than bringing in 2 football also-rans from a mid-sized state.

(06-21-2023 09:44 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 03:26 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 02:40 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  The Magnificent 7 situation suggests that the P2 gaining some schools before 2037 is contingent upon the P2 finding homes for others on the list. It's a matter of the number of votes needed to make any of the schools available.

How about this:

SEC: 16 + Secret 7 + KU
B1G: 16 + 8 from current Pac
Conference 3: 11 from big 12, 7 leftovers from ACC, UConn, Memphis, USF, Boise, Or St, WSU

3 x 24

All of the Flagship AAU schools are in the P2. For that matter, every Flagship that's currently in the P5 other than WV ends up in the P2. Most importantly, DavidSt throws us all a HUGE virtual party with a blue field theme.

Not to be obtuse but technically Buffalo is an AAU state flagship that wouldn't be in the P2.

I meant to put that "currently in the P5" in both sentences. In my head it was "All of the Flagship AAU schools that are currently in the P5 end up in the P2. For that matter, every Flagship that's currently in the P5 other than WV ends up in the P2.". I did consider Buffalo.

(06-21-2023 11:57 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-21-2023 09:08 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-21-2023 09:01 AM)mvfcfan Wrote:  I find arguments like these completely ridiculous (so and so can't leave if so and so isn't invited too). There are 18 Division 1 schools in North Carolina and they don't all play in the same league.

Just look at the UNC System alone:
UNC Chapel Hill: ACC
UNC Greensboro: SOCON
UNC Wilmington: CAA
UNC Asheville: Big South

I’m not being snarky, but you should probably do some research on the UNC system, its governing body, and politics within the state.

I'm not being snarky, but you should probably look at how this "little brother gets to tag along with big brother" philosophy and how it's been shattered in other states. A&M and then Texas left all the little brothers, OU left little brother, UCLA left a bunch of little brothers. Red states, the Bluest and biggest state, but one thing in common: they didn't want schools left behind, but they eventually caved. The NC legislature doesn't HAVE to cave, but neither do the P2 need to share any of our money and further dilute our votes by bringing on charity cases. The B1G could add UW/UO/UVA/Miami, while the SEC adds Clemson and FSU, and we could both credibly claim a win. If wanted 2 more then 2 of VT, Colorado, Kansas and ASU would be much stronger than bringing in 2 football also-rans from a mid-sized state.

“Our money” LOL

I suppose that’s how seriously I should take you!

UCLA-Cal is the only viable comparison and I’ve already written about it so feel free to do some research. Oh, and they were blindsided.

(06-15-2023 01:07 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 08:37 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 08:27 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 07:32 PM)Alanda Wrote:  This video came up in my recommended list and I don't know if it was posted before. It's mostly talking to NC State Senator Jim Perry about the state's sports gambling bill. At the end of the video starting at 8:44 he is asked if UNC would be allowed to move if NCSU had to stay in the ACC. He says in his opinion no they would not. I have no knowledge of the NC dynamics involved with this, but thought it was interesting to share.

That's ok, we'll just take Clemson, FSU, Miami and UVA. Let the B1G grab UNC and NC St if they're anxious to dilute their shares.

The problem with this is that the VA legislature will most likely not let UVA go without VPI.

Maybe Florida State, Clemson, Miami and Louisville? The SEC could certainly do worse…

Throw in Duke and Kansas while you’re at it.

I'm struggling to understand why their State legislatures would care. The worst landing spot for VT or NC St would be Conference 3, which would likely pay more than the current ACC, anyway. It's possible that VT ends up with whatever P2 than UVA doesn't join in fact, but I don't think the legislature trying to force them both into the same league helps either of them. So, your choice is keep 2 schools at $50m, or let one school make $50m and one school make $75.

The right move is probably just to keep them both stuck together. /sarcasm Ask OU how easy it was to get OSU into the Pac, SEC or ACC. OU is more desirable than UNC today, and they have probably always been more desirable, while OSU is a good comparable to NC St.

You have start with understanding the historical structure of what is now known as the UNC System. NCSU was founded to be the University of North Carolina's land grant, science focused campus not a separate university & how critical a role the UNC System as a whole has contributed to growth & prosperity of the state. Athletics promote the state & have both being seen as competing at the highest level important to many in the state legislature

(06-21-2023 02:24 PM)mj4life Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 01:07 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 08:37 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 08:27 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 07:32 PM)Alanda Wrote:  This video came up in my recommended list and I don't know if it was posted before. It's mostly talking to NC State Senator Jim Perry about the state's sports gambling bill. At the end of the video starting at 8:44 he is asked if UNC would be allowed to move if NCSU had to stay in the ACC. He says in his opinion no they would not. I have no knowledge of the NC dynamics involved with this, but thought it was interesting to share.

That's ok, we'll just take Clemson, FSU, Miami and UVA. Let the B1G grab UNC and NC St if they're anxious to dilute their shares.

The problem with this is that the VA legislature will most likely not let UVA go without VPI.

Maybe Florida State, Clemson, Miami and Louisville? The SEC could certainly do worse…

Throw in Duke and Kansas while you’re at it.

I'm struggling to understand why their State legislatures would care. The worst landing spot for VT or NC St would be Conference 3, which would likely pay more than the current ACC, anyway. It's possible that VT ends up with whatever P2 than UVA doesn't join in fact, but I don't think the legislature trying to force them both into the same league helps either of them. So, your choice is keep 2 schools at $50m, or let one school make $50m and one school make $75.

The right move is probably just to keep them both stuck together. /sarcasm Ask OU how easy it was to get OSU into the Pac, SEC or ACC. OU is more desirable than UNC today, and they have probably always been more desirable, while OSU is a good comparable to NC St.

You have start with understanding the historical structure of what is now known as the UNC System. NCSU was founded to be the University of North Carolina's land grant, science focused campus not a separate university & how critical a role the UNC System as a whole has contributed to growth & prosperity of the state. Athletics promote the state & have both being seen as competing at the highest level important to many in the state legislature

Heck even the license plates have Carolina blue and Pack red!

(06-21-2023 02:24 PM)mj4life Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 01:07 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 08:37 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 08:27 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 07:32 PM)Alanda Wrote:  This video came up in my recommended list and I don't know if it was posted before. It's mostly talking to NC State Senator Jim Perry about the state's sports gambling bill. At the end of the video starting at 8:44 he is asked if UNC would be allowed to move if NCSU had to stay in the ACC. He says in his opinion no they would not. I have no knowledge of the NC dynamics involved with this, but thought it was interesting to share.

That's ok, we'll just take Clemson, FSU, Miami and UVA. Let the B1G grab UNC and NC St if they're anxious to dilute their shares.

The problem with this is that the VA legislature will most likely not let UVA go without VPI.

Maybe Florida State, Clemson, Miami and Louisville? The SEC could certainly do worse…

Throw in Duke and Kansas while you’re at it.

I'm struggling to understand why their State legislatures would care. The worst landing spot for VT or NC St would be Conference 3, which would likely pay more than the current ACC, anyway. It's possible that VT ends up with whatever P2 than UVA doesn't join in fact, but I don't think the legislature trying to force them both into the same league helps either of them. So, your choice is keep 2 schools at $50m, or let one school make $50m and one school make $75.

The right move is probably just to keep them both stuck together. /sarcasm Ask OU how easy it was to get OSU into the Pac, SEC or ACC. OU is more desirable than UNC today, and they have probably always been more desirable, while OSU is a good comparable to NC St.

You have start with understanding the historical structure of what is now known as the UNC System. NCSU was founded to be the University of North Carolina's land grant, science focused campus not a separate university & how critical a role the UNC System as a whole has contributed to growth & prosperity of the state. Athletics promote the state & have both being seen as competing at the highest level important to many in the state legislature

You do realize that this is a foreign concept for us non-NC residents, right? In the states of Rexas & Alabama, the land grant is its own university. At UGA, UGA is both the flagship & the land-grant because the land-grant bill was used to save UGA, which had fallen into bankruptcy.

(06-21-2023 12:46 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-21-2023 11:57 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-21-2023 09:08 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-21-2023 09:01 AM)mvfcfan Wrote:  I find arguments like these completely ridiculous (so and so can't leave if so and so isn't invited too). There are 18 Division 1 schools in North Carolina and they don't all play in the same league.

Just look at the UNC System alone:
UNC Chapel Hill: ACC
UNC Greensboro: SOCON
UNC Wilmington: CAA
UNC Asheville: Big South

I’m not being snarky, but you should probably do some research on the UNC system, its governing body, and politics within the state.

I'm not being snarky, but you should probably look at how this "little brother gets to tag along with big brother" philosophy and how it's been shattered in other states. A&M and then Texas left all the little brothers, OU left little brother, UCLA left a bunch of little brothers. Red states, the Bluest and biggest state, but one thing in common: they didn't want schools left behind, but they eventually caved. The NC legislature doesn't HAVE to cave, but neither do the P2 need to share any of our money and further dilute our votes by bringing on charity cases. The B1G could add UW/UO/UVA/Miami, while the SEC adds Clemson and FSU, and we could both credibly claim a win. If wanted 2 more then 2 of VT, Colorado, Kansas and ASU would be much stronger than bringing in 2 football also-rans from a mid-sized state.

“Our money” LOL

I suppose that’s how seriously I should take you!

UCLA-Cal is the only viable comparison and I’ve already written about it so feel free to do some research. Oh, and they were blindsided.

What else would you call it? I could have said "our media rights agreement", I guess, but the fact is that SEC and B1G are poised to pay out $20-30m more each than the ACC in the coming years. Adding UNC is probably close to revenue neutral for us.

Are you comparing NC St to Cal? Seriously? NC St is a distant 2nd or 3rd in their own 10m population state. Cal's metro area has 10m people, and their state has 40m. Flagship. AAU. There are a whole bunch of Flagships, especially Flagship AAUs in the P2, but there are exactly 0 afterthought schools like NC St. Nobody has been able to show how they're any better for the P2 than Ok St, which is far below the Missouri Line.

The only reason UNC would go along with this sort of discussion would be disagreements on whether they want to leave the ACC at all, which is actually a distinct possibility. Their problem is that so many others want to leave that the future ACC might not look very much like the current version. Do you want to replace Clemson, Miami, FSU and UVA with TCU, UH, Cincinnati and WV?

UNC could have brought NC St and perhaps Duke along with them back in 2010, but they decided to stay. That deal's off the table now, and it's unlikely to return.

(06-21-2023 02:24 PM)mj4life Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 01:07 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 08:37 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 08:27 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 07:32 PM)Alanda Wrote:  This video came up in my recommended list and I don't know if it was posted before. It's mostly talking to NC State Senator Jim Perry about the state's sports gambling bill. At the end of the video starting at 8:44 he is asked if UNC would be allowed to move if NCSU had to stay in the ACC. He says in his opinion no they would not. I have no knowledge of the NC dynamics involved with this, but thought it was interesting to share.

That's ok, we'll just take Clemson, FSU, Miami and UVA. Let the B1G grab UNC and NC St if they're anxious to dilute their shares.

The problem with this is that the VA legislature will most likely not let UVA go without VPI.

Maybe Florida State, Clemson, Miami and Louisville? The SEC could certainly do worse…

Throw in Duke and Kansas while you’re at it.

I'm struggling to understand why their State legislatures would care. The worst landing spot for VT or NC St would be Conference 3, which would likely pay more than the current ACC, anyway. It's possible that VT ends up with whatever P2 than UVA doesn't join in fact, but I don't think the legislature trying to force them both into the same league helps either of them. So, your choice is keep 2 schools at $50m, or let one school make $50m and one school make $75.

The right move is probably just to keep them both stuck together. /sarcasm Ask OU how easy it was to get OSU into the Pac, SEC or ACC. OU is more desirable than UNC today, and they have probably always been more desirable, while OSU is a good comparable to NC St.

You have start with understanding the historical structure of what is now known as the UNC System. NCSU was founded to be the University of North Carolina's land grant, science focused campus not a separate university & how critical a role the UNC System as a whole has contributed to growth & prosperity of the state. Athletics promote the state & have both being seen as competing at the highest level important to many in the state legislature

It sounds a lot like Realignment Socialism. Hold everyone back so that the strong can't thrive. Good luck with that.

(06-21-2023 03:05 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-21-2023 02:24 PM)mj4life Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 01:07 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 08:37 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 08:27 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  That's ok, we'll just take Clemson, FSU, Miami and UVA. Let the B1G grab UNC and NC St if they're anxious to dilute their shares.

The problem with this is that the VA legislature will most likely not let UVA go without VPI.

Maybe Florida State, Clemson, Miami and Louisville? The SEC could certainly do worse…

Throw in Duke and Kansas while you’re at it.

I'm struggling to understand why their State legislatures would care. The worst landing spot for VT or NC St would be Conference 3, which would likely pay more than the current ACC, anyway. It's possible that VT ends up with whatever P2 than UVA doesn't join in fact, but I don't think the legislature trying to force them both into the same league helps either of them. So, your choice is keep 2 schools at $50m, or let one school make $50m and one school make $75.

The right move is probably just to keep them both stuck together. /sarcasm Ask OU how easy it was to get OSU into the Pac, SEC or ACC. OU is more desirable than UNC today, and they have probably always been more desirable, while OSU is a good comparable to NC St.

You have start with understanding the historical structure of what is now known as the UNC System. NCSU was founded to be the University of North Carolina's land grant, science focused campus not a separate university & how critical a role the UNC System as a whole has contributed to growth & prosperity of the state. Athletics promote the state & have both being seen as competing at the highest level important to many in the state legislature

It sounds a lot like Realignment Socialism. Hold everyone back so that the strong can't thrive. Good luck with that.

bro this isn't realignment socialism. This is realignment crony capitalism at its finest.

(06-21-2023 03:03 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-21-2023 12:46 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-21-2023 11:57 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-21-2023 09:08 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-21-2023 09:01 AM)mvfcfan Wrote:  I find arguments like these completely ridiculous (so and so can't leave if so and so isn't invited too). There are 18 Division 1 schools in North Carolina and they don't all play in the same league.

Just look at the UNC System alone:
UNC Chapel Hill: ACC
UNC Greensboro: SOCON
UNC Wilmington: CAA
UNC Asheville: Big South

I’m not being snarky, but you should probably do some research on the UNC system, its governing body, and politics within the state.

I'm not being snarky, but you should probably look at how this "little brother gets to tag along with big brother" philosophy and how it's been shattered in other states. A&M and then Texas left all the little brothers, OU left little brother, UCLA left a bunch of little brothers. Red states, the Bluest and biggest state, but one thing in common: they didn't want schools left behind, but they eventually caved. The NC legislature doesn't HAVE to cave, but neither do the P2 need to share any of our money and further dilute our votes by bringing on charity cases. The B1G could add UW/UO/UVA/Miami, while the SEC adds Clemson and FSU, and we could both credibly claim a win. If wanted 2 more then 2 of VT, Colorado, Kansas and ASU would be much stronger than bringing in 2 football also-rans from a mid-sized state.

“Our money” LOL

I suppose that’s how seriously I should take you!

UCLA-Cal is the only viable comparison and I’ve already written about it so feel free to do some research. Oh, and they were blindsided.

What else would you call it? I could have said "our media rights agreement", I guess, but the fact is that SEC and B1G are poised to pay out $20-30m more each than the ACC in the coming years. Adding UNC is probably close to revenue neutral for us.

Are you comparing NC St to Cal? Seriously? NC St is a distant 2nd or 3rd in their own 10m population state. Cal's metro area has 10m people, and their state has 40m. Flagship. AAU. There are a whole bunch of Flagships, especially Flagship AAUs in the P2, but there are exactly 0 afterthought schools like NC St. Nobody has been able to show how they're any better for the P2 than Ok St, which is far below the Missouri Line.

The only reason UNC would go along with this sort of discussion would be disagreements on whether they want to leave the ACC at all, which is actually a distinct possibility. Their problem is that so many others want to leave that the future ACC might not look very much like the current version. Do you want to replace Clemson, Miami, FSU and UVA with TCU, UH, Cincinnati and WV?

UNC could have brought NC St and perhaps Duke along with them back in 2010, but they decided to stay. That deal's off the table now, and it's unlikely to return.

Yeah, I don't get the other poster making a Cal - UCLA and UNC - NC State comparison either. Cal and UCLA are "co-flagships", with Cal being probably 1 to UCLA's 1A in an academic sense, the opposite in an athletic sense. But neither are "little brothers" of the other. Twin brothers.

OTOH, NC State is clearly not on the level of UNC in any way shape or form. They IMO are Oklahoma State compared to Oklahoma, classic "little brother".