SDSU screwed up here.

(06-16-2023 01:17 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 01:14 PM)Fresno Fanatic Wrote:  LOL @ extension asking. Doesn’t hurt to try, I guess.

PAC or Big12 don’t pick them up and I guess they join Big West and be football independent?

One Aztec poster on here has said they basically have a PAC invite but the TV deal is holding everything up.

Zero chance they dont have a pending invite to either the BIG XII or PAC.

Zero chance? I'd say that if they had a "pending invite" then there's zero chance that they would be dithering on leaving the Pac. What they have is verbal assurances from Kliavkoff, whatever those are worth, and lukewarm interest from the big 12 Presidents as a potential 2nd or 4th.

Right now, I'd give SDSU a 70% chance of playing in the Pac or big 12 by 2024, a 15% chance of instead joining one of them in 2025, and a 15% chance of still being in the MWC in 2025.

(06-16-2023 02:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Based on the various reports. I am baffled by what SDSU has done. I think I know what they are trying to do - minimize exit fees and the like - but this way of doing it doesn't compute for me.

Aztecgolfer said many times SD St would do this to avoid the doubling of the exit fees.

I think he does have sources in that athletic dept.

(06-16-2023 02:50 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Wow. What happens if the Pac-12 doesn't invite SDSU? Then what? How do the Aztecs put together 2024-25 schedules for football, basketball and baseball?

Chicago St is willing to help them out in MBB. Home-and-home. Welcome to the South Side, Aztecs!

(06-16-2023 02:56 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Based on the various reports. I am baffled by what SDSU has done. I think I know what they are trying to do - minimize exit fees and the like - but this way of doing it doesn't compute for me.

Aztecgolfer said many times SD St would do this to avoid the doubling of the exit fees.

I think he does have sources in that athletic dept.

Then, he needs to tell his source that they messed up. The MWC Commissioner responded be accepting SDSU's withdrawal, kicking the SDSU president off the MWC board, and announcing that the MWC will retain all revenue that otherwise gone to MWC had they not announced their intention to withdraw.

(06-16-2023 02:33 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Good on the Mountain West for any firmness on the exit procedures.

I do feel somewhat bad for SDSU, though. And I think this is PAC, not Big XII. Big XII seems to know how to handle its business far better between the two. They wouldn’t be dawdling like this.

I think that the big 12 is actually dawdling on SDSU, just like they are on Gonzaga, but they're been up front about it. "We'll consider you, but only as a backup plan", something like that. The problem with the Pac is that Kliavkoff is giving off all the right signs for SDSU but refuses to consummate the relationship.

(06-16-2023 02:49 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:42 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  So what if they don’t have an invite to the PAC or Big 12? AAC?

The PAC will eventually invite them officially. 99% chance they are in that conference for the 2024 football season. Book it!

7 in 10 chance that it's sewn up in a couple weeks.

(06-16-2023 03:04 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:56 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Based on the various reports. I am baffled by what SDSU has done. I think I know what they are trying to do - minimize exit fees and the like - but this way of doing it doesn't compute for me.

Aztecgolfer said many times SD St would do this to avoid the doubling of the exit fees.

I think he does have sources in that athletic dept.

Then, he needs to tell his source that they messed up. The MWC Commissioner responded be accepting SDSU's withdrawal, kicking the SDSU president off the MWC board, and announcing that the MWC will retain all revenue that otherwise gone to MWC had they not announced their intention to withdraw.

Guy, why are you so concerned about all that?

Im sure the SD St leadership was well aware that this outcome, the worst-case scenario, was likely or possible.

They are allowed 12 months to announce their exit and pay only 17m. Hopefully they dont have to pay 34m or more.

(06-16-2023 02:56 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Based on the various reports. I am baffled by what SDSU has done. I think I know what they are trying to do - minimize exit fees and the like - but this way of doing it doesn't compute for me.

Aztecgolfer said many times SD St would do this to avoid the doubling of the exit fees.

I think he does have sources in that athletic dept.

Sources? He's either a well-connected booster or he works there. Heck, he might be the AD. However, that doesn't mean that he didn't misinterpret Kliavkoff's handshake deal as an actual deal. You could probably do a handshake deal with a guy like Yormark, but not with Kliavkoff, especially not in his current dire circumstances.

I agree with the above posters, how did SDSU's lawyers not say "um, hey guys, if we send this letter then they're going to take it as a notice of withdrawal"?

(06-16-2023 03:12 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 03:04 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:56 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Based on the various reports. I am baffled by what SDSU has done. I think I know what they are trying to do - minimize exit fees and the like - but this way of doing it doesn't compute for me.

Aztecgolfer said many times SD St would do this to avoid the doubling of the exit fees.

I think he does have sources in that athletic dept.

Then, he needs to tell his source that they messed up. The MWC Commissioner responded be accepting SDSU's withdrawal, kicking the SDSU president off the MWC board, and announcing that the MWC will retain all revenue that otherwise gone to MWC had they not announced their intention to withdraw.

Guy, why are you so concerned about all that?

Im sure the SD St leadership was well aware that this outcome, the worst-case scenario, was likely or possible.

They are allowed 12 months to announce their exit and pay only 17m. Hopefully they dont have to pay 34m or more.

If the Conference really took that letter as an exit declaration, then thy won't have to pay more than $17m. However, they might be stuck looking for a new Conference in 2024 if things don't work out with the Pac or big 12. They should ask BYU how much fun it was twisting in the wind for a decade.

(06-16-2023 03:15 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 03:12 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 03:04 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:56 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Based on the various reports. I am baffled by what SDSU has done. I think I know what they are trying to do - minimize exit fees and the like - but this way of doing it doesn't compute for me.

Aztecgolfer said many times SD St would do this to avoid the doubling of the exit fees.

I think he does have sources in that athletic dept.

Then, he needs to tell his source that they messed up. The MWC Commissioner responded be accepting SDSU's withdrawal, kicking the SDSU president off the MWC board, and announcing that the MWC will retain all revenue that otherwise gone to MWC had they not announced their intention to withdraw.

Guy, why are you so concerned about all that?

Im sure the SD St leadership was well aware that this outcome, the worst-case scenario, was likely or possible.

They are allowed 12 months to announce their exit and pay only 17m. Hopefully they dont have to pay 34m or more.

If the Conference really took that letter as an exit declaration, then thy won't have to pay more than $17m. However, they might be stuck looking for a new Conference in 2024 if things don't work out with the Pac or big 12. They should ask BYU how much fun it was twisting in the wind for a decade.

Theyll be fine guy. Why are you so concerned for them?

If they arent eventually invited by the PAC for 2024 Ill leave this board forever.

(06-16-2023 03:04 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:56 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Based on the various reports. I am baffled by what SDSU has done. I think I know what they are trying to do - minimize exit fees and the like - but this way of doing it doesn't compute for me.

Aztecgolfer said many times SD St would do this to avoid the doubling of the exit fees.

I think he does have sources in that athletic dept.

Then, he needs to tell his source that they messed up. The MWC Commissioner responded be accepting SDSU's withdrawal, kicking the SDSU president off the MWC board, and announcing that the MWC will retain all revenue that otherwise gone to MWC had they not announced their intention to withdraw.

No offense to Aztec, his source, or SDSU but this is not the way to handle this situation. The only reason they would do this IMO is if they are preparing for an announcement next week that they are joining another conference and whatever conference they're joining has already approved them. Otherwise why?

If I want to walk the path that they have been approved for membership I don't think it's the PAC, which Aztec will also disagree with me on, the PAC doesn't have a TV deal and multiple schools are looking to possibly leave depending on what that contract looks like. I mean why the hell would the schools vote for expansion when they haven't even seen TV numbers?

This leads me to the BigXII. Both Colorado and Arizona place a high value on California exposure and recruiting grounds. This could very well be the play if there is one. Colorado announces they're leaving to the BigXII followed quickly by SDSU and Arizona. This kind of move would absolutely cripple the PAC.

This is how I see it right now and until we find out some other hard info about where they might be going this seems like an extremely bad move IMO.

(06-16-2023 03:13 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:56 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Based on the various reports. I am baffled by what SDSU has done. I think I know what they are trying to do - minimize exit fees and the like - but this way of doing it doesn't compute for me.

Aztecgolfer said many times SD St would do this to avoid the doubling of the exit fees.

I think he does have sources in that athletic dept.

Sources? He's either a well-connected booster or he works there. Heck, he might be the AD. However, that doesn't mean that he didn't misinterpret Kliavkoff's handshake deal as an actual deal. You could probably do a handshake deal with a guy like Yormark, but not with Kliavkoff, especially not in his current dire circumstances.

I agree with the above posters, how did SDSU's lawyers not say "um, hey guys, if we send this letter then they're going to take it as a notice of withdrawal"?

That may be a good gray area for SDSU.

MWC - we take your letter to mean you are going to withdraw.
SDSU - No its not

Scenario 1: Pac takes SDSU. SDSU says - ok, you took it as a withdrawal, so its only $17million. MW - No, you said it wasnt. SDSU - ok, we'll just have to settle on $20million.

Scenario 2: No invite. SDSU - we told you it wasnt a letter of withdrawal.

So what the MWC should say is that they agree its not a letter of withdrawal. That would almost guarantee the full $34million. If they start getting butthurt and saying its a letter of withdrawal, they'll put themselves in a gray area where SDSU could go to arbitration and get it whittled way down.

Also, if I were the MWC, I'd tell them it will cost $5million, payable today, to extend the deadline 4 weeks.

(06-16-2023 03:12 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 03:04 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:56 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Based on the various reports. I am baffled by what SDSU has done. I think I know what they are trying to do - minimize exit fees and the like - but this way of doing it doesn't compute for me.

Aztecgolfer said many times SD St would do this to avoid the doubling of the exit fees.

I think he does have sources in that athletic dept.

Then, he needs to tell his source that they messed up. The MWC Commissioner responded be accepting SDSU's withdrawal, kicking the SDSU president off the MWC board, and announcing that the MWC will retain all revenue that otherwise gone to MWC had they not announced their intention to withdraw.

Guy, why are you so concerned about all that?

Im sure the SD St leadership was well aware that this outcome, the worst-case scenario, was likely or possible.

They are allowed 12 months to announce their exit and pay only 17m. Hopefully they dont have to pay 34m or more.

What SDSU intended to do was negotiate a situation where they could potentially pay a lower exit fee and pay the amount in installments, but still retain the option to withdraw *or not* until the June 30 deadline. But, SDSU messed up the communication.

SDSU absolutely annihilated their position and leverage vis-a-vis the MWC. There is zero reason now for the MWC to negotiate on the exit fee amount or payment schedule. Even if SDSU does have a safe place to land in the PAC or Big 12, they shot themselves in the foot. It's even worse if SDSU does not have a safe landing spot.

(06-16-2023 03:24 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 03:12 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 03:04 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:56 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Based on the various reports. I am baffled by what SDSU has done. I think I know what they are trying to do - minimize exit fees and the like - but this way of doing it doesn't compute for me.

Aztecgolfer said many times SD St would do this to avoid the doubling of the exit fees.

I think he does have sources in that athletic dept.

Then, he needs to tell his source that they messed up. The MWC Commissioner responded be accepting SDSU's withdrawal, kicking the SDSU president off the MWC board, and announcing that the MWC will retain all revenue that otherwise gone to MWC had they not announced their intention to withdraw.

Guy, why are you so concerned about all that?

Im sure the SD St leadership was well aware that this outcome, the worst-case scenario, was likely or possible.

They are allowed 12 months to announce their exit and pay only 17m. Hopefully they dont have to pay 34m or more.

What SDSU intended to do was negotiate a situation where they could potentially pay a lower exit fee and pay the amount in installments, but still retain the option to withdraw *or not* until the June 30 deadline. But, SDSU messed up the communication.

SDSU absolutely annihilated their position and leverage vis-a-vis the MWC. There is zero reason now for the MWC to negotiate on the exit fee amount or payment schedule. Even if SDSU does have a safe place to land in the PAC or Big 12, they shot themselves in the foot. It's even worse if SDSU does not have a safe landing spot.

Didnt they also ask for an extension? That would be an extra month.

(06-16-2023 03:32 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 03:24 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 03:12 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 03:04 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:56 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  Aztecgolfer said many times SD St would do this to avoid the doubling of the exit fees.

I think he does have sources in that athletic dept.

Then, he needs to tell his source that they messed up. The MWC Commissioner responded be accepting SDSU's withdrawal, kicking the SDSU president off the MWC board, and announcing that the MWC will retain all revenue that otherwise gone to MWC had they not announced their intention to withdraw.

Guy, why are you so concerned about all that?

Im sure the SD St leadership was well aware that this outcome, the worst-case scenario, was likely or possible.

They are allowed 12 months to announce their exit and pay only 17m. Hopefully they dont have to pay 34m or more.

What SDSU intended to do was negotiate a situation where they could potentially pay a lower exit fee and pay the amount in installments, but still retain the option to withdraw *or not* until the June 30 deadline. But, SDSU messed up the communication.

SDSU absolutely annihilated their position and leverage vis-a-vis the MWC. There is zero reason now for the MWC to negotiate on the exit fee amount or payment schedule. Even if SDSU does have a safe place to land in the PAC or Big 12, they shot themselves in the foot. It's even worse if SDSU does not have a safe landing spot.

Didnt they also ask for an extension? That would be an extra month.

Why would the MWC agree to that?

(06-16-2023 03:32 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 03:24 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 03:12 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 03:04 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:56 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  Aztecgolfer said many times SD St would do this to avoid the doubling of the exit fees.

I think he does have sources in that athletic dept.

Then, he needs to tell his source that they messed up. The MWC Commissioner responded be accepting SDSU's withdrawal, kicking the SDSU president off the MWC board, and announcing that the MWC will retain all revenue that otherwise gone to MWC had they not announced their intention to withdraw.

Guy, why are you so concerned about all that?

Im sure the SD St leadership was well aware that this outcome, the worst-case scenario, was likely or possible.

They are allowed 12 months to announce their exit and pay only 17m. Hopefully they dont have to pay 34m or more.

What SDSU intended to do was negotiate a situation where they could potentially pay a lower exit fee and pay the amount in installments, but still retain the option to withdraw *or not* until the June 30 deadline. But, SDSU messed up the communication.

SDSU absolutely annihilated their position and leverage vis-a-vis the MWC. There is zero reason now for the MWC to negotiate on the exit fee amount or payment schedule. Even if SDSU does have a safe place to land in the PAC or Big 12, they shot themselves in the foot. It's even worse if SDSU does not have a safe landing spot.

Didnt they also ask for an extension? That would be an extra month.

Sure. They asked for an extension, which the MWC has *REJECTED*. SDSU intended to ask for an extension while reserving their right NOT TO WITHDRAW. But, in the process provided notice of the intent to withdraw, which the MWC Commissioner accepted.

Somebody made a mistake. Not a huge deal if SDSU has a safe landing spot. But SDSU has lost all leverage for a favorable outcome with the MWC.

(06-16-2023 01:59 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  SDSU and Boise to the PAC

El Paso and NMSU to the MWC

SMU and Memphis to the Big 12

Texas State and Liberty to the AAC

ECU to the Sun Belt

WKU and MT to the MAC

CUSA crumbles

No chance Boise to P12; or anything else in this post except SDSU to P12 in this round of expansion.

(06-16-2023 03:36 PM)YNot Wrote:  Not a huge deal if SDSU has a safe landing spot.

I'd be ok with adding them to CUSA. Be closer to UTEP/NMSU than anyone else is and make our name more accurate (because we'd stretch across darn near the whole thing). To fully maximize that we'd need to work on Army coming back, too.

(06-16-2023 03:36 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 03:32 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 03:24 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 03:12 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 03:04 PM)YNot Wrote:  Then, he needs to tell his source that they messed up. The MWC Commissioner responded be accepting SDSU's withdrawal, kicking the SDSU president off the MWC board, and announcing that the MWC will retain all revenue that otherwise gone to MWC had they not announced their intention to withdraw.

Guy, why are you so concerned about all that?

Im sure the SD St leadership was well aware that this outcome, the worst-case scenario, was likely or possible.

They are allowed 12 months to announce their exit and pay only 17m. Hopefully they dont have to pay 34m or more.

What SDSU intended to do was negotiate a situation where they could potentially pay a lower exit fee and pay the amount in installments, but still retain the option to withdraw *or not* until the June 30 deadline. But, SDSU messed up the communication.

SDSU absolutely annihilated their position and leverage vis-a-vis the MWC. There is zero reason now for the MWC to negotiate on the exit fee amount or payment schedule. Even if SDSU does have a safe place to land in the PAC or Big 12, they shot themselves in the foot. It's even worse if SDSU does not have a safe landing spot.

Didnt they also ask for an extension? That would be an extra month.

Sure. They asked for an extension, which the MWC has *REJECTED*. SDSU intended to ask for an extension while reserving their right NOT TO WITHDRAW. But, in the process provided notice of the intent to withdraw, which the MWC Commissioner accepted.

Somebody made a mistake. Not a huge deal if SDSU has a safe landing spot. But SDSU has lost all leverage for a favorable outcome with the MWC.

You should always ask for more than you expect to get. Thats basic in negotiation.