If you vote for a Democrat or Third Party or just abstain from voting at all just because Trump is the nominee, you are the problem.

(07-09-2023 07:36 AM)boss man Wrote:  

(07-09-2023 06:51 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 11:44 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 11:32 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Damn, many of you participating in this thread should just go ahead and vote democrat.

Ah here it is again anyone that has an issue with Trump might as well vote democrat. I look forward to the same standard being applied to other republicans. Which of course it won't be.

(Not directed just to you personally Me Eagleyed, you're just a handy post to quote)

Damned if I get why so many here are so dense. The question is do we want another Democrat in the White House in '24. The problem is not that all of us want Trump. Most here are not deranged Trumplets.

The problem is that he IS going to be the only choice. That's ALL most of us are saying. If I'm wrong about that I will vote for whoever the GOP has running.

But I'm almost certainly not wrong.

What is so hard about this? Your Trump hatred just blinds you to common sense?

Co-sign this damn accurate post.

Most of us conservatives absolutely get it - Trump has his faults and rough edges and drives the left absolutely insane.

But a lot of people tend to overlook another fact - HE GETS RESULTS. Energy independence. Kick @ss economy. Lower taxes. Strong military that doesn't focus on pronoun usage and transgender issues. Secure border and wall contruction begun. Three conservative Supreme Court selections.

The left STILL has not gotten past the 2016 upset win by Trump over the media-annoited Hillary! to be the first woman POTUS. The tears flowed when Trump was announced the winner around 200am.

But the Democrats countered by a carefully executed two part plan for 2020:
1. First, use China to unleash a virus pandemic to effectively kill the dominant economy Trump revived in the spring of the 2020 election year
2. Second, create BLM/Antifa summer riots/violence to create more chaos while arranging mail in balloting and cap that off with a 130am election night ballot box stuffing scheme.

The old saying applies - $h1t happens. And NO ONE can deny it IS DEFINITELY happening in this FUBAR Biden* Administration. This cast of far left fools has completely dismantled everything Trump did.

Here is the REAL ISSUE phrased in a question: Are you honestly better off NOW or were you in fact better off under the policies of the billionaire you hate because he beat Hillary! back in 2016 AND due to his bluntness, arrogance, and mean tweets?

The election in 2024 will offer two ABSOLUTELY different paths for America. It will be fascinating to see how the vote goes.

Donald Trump will be the 2024 Republican candidate. Hard stop. Not DeSantis. Not Pence. Not Haley. Not Scott. Not Christie. A good number of those running are doing so to ultimately throw their support to Trump in hopes of being in his Cabinet.

My advice is compare the accomplishments of Trump and Biden* (Newsome?) and CHOOSE WISELY.

And he's already lost the 2024 campaign. Another hard stop.

Trump got things done but his silly antics and utter lack of self control will single-handedly be responsible for 8 years of this Biden Harris disaster.

(07-09-2023 07:41 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  And he's already lost the 2024 campaign. Another hard stop.

Trump got things done but his silly antics and utter lack of self control will single-handedly be responsible for 8 years of this Biden Harris disaster.

You may very well be right. Please offer a realistic alternative solution.

You know there isn't one.

There is no alternative solution. The majority of the minority that is all in on Trump no matter what have doomed us all to another 4 years of progressive fiat, trannies and DEI stupidity.

(07-09-2023 07:55 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  There is no alternative solution. The majority of the minority that is all in on Trump no matter what have doomed us all to another 4 years of progressive fiat, trannies and DEI stupidity.

All I can say is, let's hope you're wrong.

I'd love to be wrong. I'm probably not.

Biden will come out of the basement even less this time than last time and he coasts to 300+ EVs against Trump II.

There are literally zero voters who have not already made up their minds for or against Trump. The next 16 months won't change a thing. The big outdoor rallies are just preaching to the converted.

Should we just commit mass suicide now and get it over with?

(07-08-2023 03:13 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  The best possible circumstance for Republicans is Trump ends up in jail or has some type of stroke that takes him out of the running.

Under no circumstances would I ever cast a vote for Trump for anything.

I get it. Your sig is not a dig.

(07-08-2023 03:27 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 02:29 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 02:11 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 02:01 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  If they don't let Trump win what makes you think they will let another republican win?

Number one, I'm talking about a republican without Trump's negatives. In order to cheat, the election has to be close enough that the cheating is not obvious. Someone without Trump's negatives could move a few states beyond cheat territory, particularly if the sorry state of the country today persists or gets worse by November 2024.

Number two, I'm talking about a stealth candidate who doesn't let anybody know until it's too late to mount an offensive. I'm talking about more moderate appeals to independents and less red meat for the base. Until he/she gets in office.

I swear i love you but you are the most dangerous type. You can list everything rationally and I agree.

The probiem is this and simply this.

Its gonna be Trump or filth.

Thats it. A bad taste in your mouth or your head gets blown off.

Thats it. The choice

Third party is a fantasy
Good democrat is a fantasy

Trump is the only hope we have

Another dangerous type? The blindly devoted.

The dangerous type are the ones who will not vote for the Republican nominee because he was not their choice.

(07-09-2023 07:55 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  There is no alternative solution. The majority of the minority that is all in on Trump no matter what have doomed us all to another 4 years of progressive fiat, trannies and DEI stupidity.

Unless you vote in the primary then that is simply not true.

Vote for non prog filth.

How damn complicated is that?

No sympathy for those that suffer if they vote otherwise

(07-08-2023 11:23 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 10:42 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Interesting twist.

Trash. Just trash.

Setting the stage for Newsom because, despite everyone’s fear, Biden can’t beat Trump.

(07-09-2023 06:51 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 11:44 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 11:32 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Damn, many of you participating in this thread should just go ahead and vote democrat.

Ah here it is again anyone that has an issue with Trump might as well vote democrat. I look forward to the same standard being applied to other republicans. Which of course it won't be.

(Not directed just to you personally Me Eagleyed, you're just a handy post to quote)

Damned if I get why so many here are so dense. The question is do we want another Democrat in the White House in '24. The problem is not that all of us want Trump. Most here are not deranged Trumplets.

The problem is that he IS going to be the only choice. That's ALL most of us are saying. If I'm wrong about that I will vote for whoever the GOP has running.

But I'm almost certainly not wrong.

What is so hard about this? Your Trump hatred just blinds you to common sense?

Exactly! So much so that the Koch’s are giving $70 million to defeat trump rather than $70 million to defeat the damn Democrats. The socialist oligarchs on the left could care less who the democrat candidate is. They’ll put all their money into defeating the Republican. We squabble and argue over our candidate to the point that many who are dead set against Biden will not vote for the republican they didn’t use. I’m beginning to think the Democrats are not the only stupid ones.

(07-09-2023 08:32 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(07-09-2023 06:51 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 11:44 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 11:32 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Damn, many of you participating in this thread should just go ahead and vote democrat.

Ah here it is again anyone that has an issue with Trump might as well vote democrat. I look forward to the same standard being applied to other republicans. Which of course it won't be.

(Not directed just to you personally Me Eagleyed, you're just a handy post to quote)

Damned if I get why so many here are so dense. The question is do we want another Democrat in the White House in '24. The problem is not that all of us want Trump. Most here are not deranged Trumplets.

The problem is that he IS going to be the only choice. That's ALL most of us are saying. If I'm wrong about that I will vote for whoever the GOP has running.

But I'm almost certainly not wrong.

What is so hard about this? Your Trump hatred just blinds you to common sense?

Exactly! So much so that the Koch’s are giving $70 million to defeat trump rather than $70 million to defeat the damn Democrats. The socialist oligarchs on the left could care less who the democrat candidate is. They’ll put all their money into defeating the Republican. We squabble and argue over our candidate to the point that many who are dead set against Biden will not vote for the republican they didn’t use. I’m beginning to think the Democrats are not the only stupid ones.

Great point. Gop is really stupid. They just arent filth

Hate it
Be angry
Whine about it
Say its not fair


People have two choices

Filth v not filth

(07-09-2023 07:52 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You may very well be right. Please offer a realistic alternative solution.
You know there isn't one.

That kind of thinking will ensure that there isn't.

Trump supporters need to get over the, "Trump won in 2020 but got cheated out of it," mentality, because that is a guaranteed loser. Ask the candidates who ran on it in 2022. Trump lost the popular and electoral vote in 2020 because he pissed off too many voters with his antics. Trump lost the popular vote in 2016, but won because he picked the right states to pick up enough electoral votes. That needle is hard to thread once, let alone twice or now three times. The states that went Trump in 2016 but Biden in 2020 are not going Trump in 2024, and that means he cannot win.

Yes there was clearly cheating in 2020 and 2022. The lax voting rules ensured that. But complaining about it 2 or 4 years later is not a winning tactic. It just makes you look like a crybaby.

What republicans need to do is what Newt did with the Contract in 1994. Pick out issues that are winners, and run on those issues, not personalities. One big problem with Donald Trump is that as long as he is in the race it will be about personalities. So focus on congress. If republicans could get a majority in both houses (and a bigger majority in the HOR) then they could pretty much offset any Biden-Harris idiocracy.

Ask yourself this. If republicans had won the two Georgia senate seats in 2020, is socialist/commie Ketanji Brown Jackson sitting on the Supreme Court today? I'm guessing no.

(07-09-2023 08:45 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-09-2023 07:52 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You may very well be right. Please offer a realistic alternative solution.
You know there isn't one.

That kind of thinking will ensure that there isn't.

Trump supporters need to get over the, "Trump won in 2020 but got cheated out of it," mentality, because that is a guaranteed loser. Ask the candidates who ran on it in 2022. Trump lost the popular and electoral vote in 2020 because he pissed off too many voters with his antics. Trump lost the popular vote in 2016, but won because he picked the right states to pick up enough electoral votes. That needle is hard to thread once, let alone twice or now three times. The states that went Trump in 2016 but Biden in 2020 are not going Trump in 2024, and that means he cannot win.

Yes there was clearly cheating in 2020 and 2022. The lax voting rules ensured that. But complaining about it 2 or 4 years later is not a winning tactic. It just makes you look like a crybaby.

What republicans need to do is what Newt did with the Contract in 1994. Pick out issues that are winners, and run on those issues, not personalities. One big problem with Donald Trump is that as long as he is in the race it will be about personalities. So focus on congress. If republicans could get a majority in both houses (and a bigger majority in the HOR) then they could pretty much offset any Biden-Harris idiocracy.

Ask yourself this. If republicans had won the two Georgia senate seats in 2020, is socialist/commie Ketanji Brown Jackson sitting on the Supreme Court today? I'm guessing no.

My god she is stupid.

The Democrats always rally around whoever is picked for them. Republicans ***** and whine about whoever is picked for them. That's why Republicans rarely hold the White House for the past 60 years or so.

(07-09-2023 08:45 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-09-2023 07:52 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You may very well be right. Please offer a realistic alternative solution.
You know there isn't one.

That kind of thinking will ensure that there isn't.

Trump supporters need to get over the, "Trump won in 2020 but got cheated out of it," mentality, because that is a guaranteed loser. Ask the candidates who ran on it in 2022. Trump lost the popular and electoral vote in 2020 because he pissed off too many voters with his antics. Trump lost the popular vote in 2016, but won because he picked the right states to pick up enough electoral votes. That needle is hard to thread once, let alone twice or now three times. The states that went Trump in 2016 but Biden in 2020 are not going Trump in 2024, and that means he cannot win.

Yes there was clearly cheating in 2020 and 2022. The lax voting rules ensured that. But complaining about it 2 or 4 years later is not a winning tactic. It just makes you look like a crybaby.

What republicans need to do is what Newt did with the Contract in 1994. Pick out issues that are winners, and run on those issues, not personalities. One big problem with Donald Trump is that as long as he is in the race it will be about personalities. So focus on congress. If republicans could get a majority in both houses (and a bigger majority in the HOR) then they could pretty much offset any Biden-Harris idiocracy.

Ask yourself this. If republicans had won the two Georgia senate seats in 2020, is socialist/commie Ketanji Brown Jackson sitting on the Supreme Court today? I'm guessing no.

I have tons of respect for you Owl#s, but your line of thinking is just pie in the sky daydreaming. You can talk about what republicans NEED to do all you want, but there's way too many diehard Trump supporters out there for it to ever happen. You are just sky screaming. Barring a miracle he will be the GOP nominee, and all the glorified planning to the contrary done on some unknown message board is not going to change that.

The question is not can he win the primary, that's almost certainly a done deal, but can he win the presidency. Never Trumper republicans certainly won't help that.

(07-09-2023 08:58 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(07-09-2023 08:45 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-09-2023 07:52 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You may very well be right. Please offer a realistic alternative solution.
You know there isn't one.

That kind of thinking will ensure that there isn't.

Trump supporters need to get over the, "Trump won in 2020 but got cheated out of it," mentality, because that is a guaranteed loser. Ask the candidates who ran on it in 2022. Trump lost the popular and electoral vote in 2020 because he pissed off too many voters with his antics. Trump lost the popular vote in 2016, but won because he picked the right states to pick up enough electoral votes. That needle is hard to thread once, let alone twice or now three times. The states that went Trump in 2016 but Biden in 2020 are not going Trump in 2024, and that means he cannot win.

Yes there was clearly cheating in 2020 and 2022. The lax voting rules ensured that. But complaining about it 2 or 4 years later is not a winning tactic. It just makes you look like a crybaby.

What republicans need to do is what Newt did with the Contract in 1994. Pick out issues that are winners, and run on those issues, not personalities. One big problem with Donald Trump is that as long as he is in the race it will be about personalities. So focus on congress. If republicans could get a majority in both houses (and a bigger majority in the HOR) then they could pretty much offset any Biden-Harris idiocracy.

Ask yourself this. If republicans had won the two Georgia senate seats in 2020, is socialist/commie Ketanji Brown Jackson sitting on the Supreme Court today? I'm guessing no.

I have tons of respect for you Owl#s, but your line of thinking is just pie in the sky daydreaming. You can talk about what republicans NEED to do all you want, but there's way too many diehard Trump supporters out there for it to ever happen. You are just sky screaming. Barring a miracle he will be the GOP nominee, and all the glorified planning to the contrary done on some unknown message board is not going to change that.

The question is not can he win the primary, that's almost certainly a done deal, but can he win the presidency. Never Trumper republicans certainly won't help that.

Theyll give us Biden and whine

(07-09-2023 08:50 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  The Democrats always rally around whoever is picked for them. Republicans ***** and whine about whoever is picked for them. That's why Republicans rarely hold the White House for the past 60 years or so.

In the last 60 years 1960-2020, Dems won 8 times, the Republicans won 8 times. In this century, Dems have won 3 times, Republicans won three times.

(07-09-2023 07:55 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  There is no alternative solution. The majority of the minority that is all in on Trump no matter what have doomed us all to another 4 years of progressive fiat, trannies and DEI stupidity.

No. Think beyond the surface. Government interference into our elections [we have proof and there’s probably more we don’t know of yet] doomed us 4 years of progressive fiat, trannies and DEI stupidity.