(07-30-2023 09:26 AM)Auburn_Blazer Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 08:50 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  Let's take what's left of the Pac with the best of the Mountain West and the AAC and form a new conference.

I think this is the closest thing to reality. Boise will never get a P12 invite with their endowment, I've never felt better about the possibility of an AAC western branch.

How many teams are we thinking? 20 or more? Should we cut anyone?

(07-30-2023 09:30 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(07-30-2023 09:26 AM)Auburn_Blazer Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 08:50 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  Let's take what's left of the Pac with the best of the Mountain West and the AAC and form a new conference.

I think this is the closest thing to reality. Boise will never get a P12 invite with their endowment, I've never felt better about the possibility of an AAC western branch.

How many teams are we thinking? 20 or more? Should we cut anyone?

Somewhere in the 20-69 range for sure. Keep going until there's nobody left.

I think the PAC keeps their P5 status as long as they remain an entity with a certain number of schools. So once they get raided unless they are just insanely stupid the remaining teams will add and not join a G5. They would be much better off taking anyone to fill the required number than joining a G5 conference. We all know any and mean any G5 is going to jump at the chance to move up.

(07-30-2023 10:04 AM)dcg141 Wrote:  I think the PAC keeps their P5 status as long as they remain an entity with a certain number of schools. So once they get raided unless they are just insanely stupid the remaining teams will add and not join a G5. They would be much better off taking anyone to fill the required number than joining a G5 conference. We all know any and mean any G5 is going to jump at the chance to move up.

The PAC situation seems a little more tenuous than most in the past related to P5 membership. With no media deal & with the prospect that virtually all of the current PAC members are looking to move out, how will a prospective member be able to evaluate the value associated with a move to the PAC?

(07-27-2023 09:23 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 08:13 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Only two remote possibilities are Oregon State and Washington State. But they will most likely either try to rebuild the Pac with MWC schools or join the MWC.

Agreed... but if the B12 can secure many other PAC programs -and there's really no reason they can't- there will simply be no PAC left to join.

Betcha Cal and Stanford go indy in football. Maybe they join the Big West for Olympic sports?

Cal cannot afford to go indy......their athletics budget minus any student fees and academic side subsidy is $89 million and that is with a PAC 12 share of probably $35 million so without that their budget is $54 million

they currently have a $30 million academic side subsidy (that is not included in that $89 million), but they also have $440 million in athletics department debt that they want to kick onto the full university, but have so far kicked down the road to 2032

so there is about a zero chance their athletics could survive losing pretty much 100% of their conference distribution while continuing a $30 million academic side subsidy and finally finding a way to pay $440 million in debt (no matter what part of the university pays it)

or even if they simply applied the academic side subsidy to the debt service instead of to athletics spending they are not going to survive with a budget of $54 million

(07-30-2023 10:27 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-30-2023 10:04 AM)dcg141 Wrote:  I think the PAC keeps their P5 status as long as they remain an entity with a certain number of schools. So once they get raided unless they are just insanely stupid the remaining teams will add and not join a G5. They would be much better off taking anyone to fill the required number than joining a G5 conference. We all know any and mean any G5 is going to jump at the chance to move up.

The PAC situation seems a little more tenuous than most in the past related to P5 membership. With no media deal & with the prospect that virtually all of the current PAC members are looking to move out, how will a prospective member be able to evaluate the value associated with a move to the PAC?

The name still has caché but i can see any remaining blue blood PAC schools going independent (esp. Stanford if not picked up by the Big10), and the Rose Bowl is gone gone. This is more of a risky move than leaping to the old Big East or Big 12 but all G5 teams invited will do it....

Everyone needs to mellow out and watch the conference musical chairs continue over the next 2 years. Eventually there will be 4 major conferences with 16-20 members each.

I anticipate the B1G and SEC with 20 members and the B12 and ACC with 16 members each.

The PAC is toast as their members will be divvied up between the B1G and B12.

Maybe greed will bring "regulation" to the Top Conferences. Allow them to shed Old Miss and Rutgers for up and coming programs...

(07-30-2023 08:27 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  Is this thread meant to be a joke?

Pretty much. I think the only realistic scenario from this would be the MWC and AAC merger after both are decimated from the PAC-12 being decimated. If Arizona, ASU, Washington and Oregon find homes with the Big 10 and Big 12 you have more than likely 4 leaving from the AAC and 3 leaving from the MWC.

At that point the AAC media contract will be done after being salvage by offering the CUSA6 2 million, most of the legacy schools will be gone. A MWC, CUSA, Sunbelt and AAC reshuffling will commence

(07-30-2023 09:30 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(07-30-2023 09:26 AM)Auburn_Blazer Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 08:50 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  Let's take what's left of the Pac with the best of the Mountain West and the AAC and form a new conference.

I think this is the closest thing to reality. Boise will never get a P12 invite with their endowment, I've never felt better about the possibility of an AAC western branch.

How many teams are we thinking? 20 or more? Should we cut anyone?

Ok, I'll play. I'm done with the lawn now so, hold my beer.

PAC top four. Wash St, Oregon St, Cal, Stanford.
Reserves: Oregon (unlikely), Washington (unlikely)

MWC top four: SDSU, Boise St, Colorado St, Fresno St.
Reserves: Air Force, Utah St, UNLV, New Mexico St.

AAC top four: SMU, Memphis, Tulane, Rice.
Reserves: USF, ECU, UAB, UTSA

Lets talk about the PAC. If the rumor is true about Arizona, the flood gates are open on the PAC. B12 wil go to 16 adding Colorado, Arizona, Utah, Arizona State.

Now for the MWC. They have a ton to choose from because they never got poached. Picking the top 4 is difficult.

The AAC: I have Rice in there only to make Stanford and Cal happy. I would have picked USF or ECU but so far away. UTSA is a good fit geographically and Football right now is good. UAB is pushing it geographically. Memphis and Tulane are on the Mississippi and to me that's as far East as I think we should go.

PAC West
Washington State
Oregon State
California
Stanford

PAC Mountain
Boise State
SDSU
Fresno State
Colorado State

PAC East
SMU
Memphis
Tulane
Rice

16 team league.

Pac West
SDSU
Fresno State
Washington State
Oregon State
California
Stanford
Boise State
UNLV

PAC East
SMU
Air Force
Colorado State
Memphis
Tulane
Rice
USF
UTSA

Reserves: New Mexico State, UAB, ECU, Utah State, Nevada

Basketball only: Wichita State, Gonzaga

(07-30-2023 05:25 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(07-30-2023 09:30 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(07-30-2023 09:26 AM)Auburn_Blazer Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 08:50 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  Let's take what's left of the Pac with the best of the Mountain West and the AAC and form a new conference.

I think this is the closest thing to reality. Boise will never get a P12 invite with their endowment, I've never felt better about the possibility of an AAC western branch.

How many teams are we thinking? 20 or more? Should we cut anyone?

Ok, I'll play. I'm done with the lawn now so, hold my beer.

PAC top four. Wash St, Oregon St, Cal, Stanford.
Reserves: Oregon (unlikely), Washington (unlikely)

MWC top four: SDSU, Boise St, Colorado St, Fresno St.
Reserves: Air Force, Utah St, UNLV, New Mexico St.

AAC top four: SMU, Memphis, Tulane, Rice.
Reserves: USF, ECU, UAB, UTSA

Lets talk about the PAC. If the rumor is true about Arizona, the flood gates are open on the PAC. B12 wil go to 16 adding Colorado, Arizona, Utah, Arizona State.

Now for the MWC. They have a ton to choose from because they never got poached. Picking the top 4 is difficult.

The AAC: I have Rice in there only to make Stanford and Cal happy. I would have picked USF or ECU but so far away. UTSA is a good fit geographically and Football right now is good. UAB is pushing it geographically. Memphis and Tulane are on the Mississippi and to me that's as far East as I think we should go.

PAC West
Washington State
Oregon State
California
Stanford

PAC Mountain
Boise State
SDSU
Fresno State
Colorado State

PAC East
SMU
Memphis
Tulane
Rice

16 team league.

Pac West
SDSU
Fresno State
Washington State
Oregon State
California
Stanford
Boise State
UNLV

PAC East
SMU
Air Force
Colorado State
Memphis
Tulane
Rice
USF
UTSA

Reserves: New Mexico State, UAB, ECU, Utah State, Nevada

Basketball only: Wichita State, Gonzaga

Good lineups both for your P12 and P16.

I don’t know if Boise/UNLV/UTSA make it past the Stanford test, but I’m ok with all 3.

Next up if those three don’t get the votes would be Air Force, UNM, UAB.

And I think it was on another board that i mentioned it, but it’s worth floating here, too. Partly because it sounds so outrageous, but for several reasons it’s worth the ask:

The University of Notre Dame.

Ok probably not worth the ask, but why the hell not?

(07-30-2023 06:28 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(07-30-2023 05:25 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(07-30-2023 09:30 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(07-30-2023 09:26 AM)Auburn_Blazer Wrote:  

(07-28-2023 08:50 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  Let's take what's left of the Pac with the best of the Mountain West and the AAC and form a new conference.

I think this is the closest thing to reality. Boise will never get a P12 invite with their endowment, I've never felt better about the possibility of an AAC western branch.

How many teams are we thinking? 20 or more? Should we cut anyone?

Ok, I'll play. I'm done with the lawn now so, hold my beer.

PAC top four. Wash St, Oregon St, Cal, Stanford.
Reserves: Oregon (unlikely), Washington (unlikely)

MWC top four: SDSU, Boise St, Colorado St, Fresno St.
Reserves: Air Force, Utah St, UNLV, New Mexico St.

AAC top four: SMU, Memphis, Tulane, Rice.
Reserves: USF, ECU, UAB, UTSA

Lets talk about the PAC. If the rumor is true about Arizona, the flood gates are open on the PAC. B12 wil go to 16 adding Colorado, Arizona, Utah, Arizona State.

Now for the MWC. They have a ton to choose from because they never got poached. Picking the top 4 is difficult.

The AAC: I have Rice in there only to make Stanford and Cal happy. I would have picked USF or ECU but so far away. UTSA is a good fit geographically and Football right now is good. UAB is pushing it geographically. Memphis and Tulane are on the Mississippi and to me that's as far East as I think we should go.

PAC West
Washington State
Oregon State
California
Stanford

PAC Mountain
Boise State
SDSU
Fresno State
Colorado State

PAC East
SMU
Memphis
Tulane
Rice

16 team league.

Pac West
SDSU
Fresno State
Washington State
Oregon State
California
Stanford
Boise State
UNLV

PAC East
SMU
Air Force
Colorado State
Memphis
Tulane
Rice
USF
UTSA

Reserves: New Mexico State, UAB, ECU, Utah State, Nevada

Basketball only: Wichita State, Gonzaga

Good lineups both for your P12 and P16.

I don’t know if Boise/UNLV/UTSA make it past the Stanford test, but I’m ok with all 3.

Next up if those three don’t get the votes would be Air Force, UNM, UAB.

And I think it was on another board that i mentioned it, but it’s worth floating here, too. Partly because it sounds so outrageous, but for several reasons it’s worth the ask:

The University of Notre Dame.

Ok probably not worth the ask, but why the hell not?

Boise for sure. UNLV has improved a bit. Don't know about UTSA. They were not the highest on my list. Air Force I do have in the 16 group

Anyway, how ever you guys want to parse it is fine by me. As a Memphis fan it would be a step up. Better than the old AAC imo. If we kept the PAC name that would be huge. We'd be P5th, but a move up.

As for ND, it doesn't hurt to ask.

Memphis by the way is R1 academically. That's ahead of SDSU (R2), Fresno State (R2). UNLV is R1 (I was surprised). Just looked it up. NMSU is slightly behind Fresno.

Other R1 universities I looked up are Washington State, Oregon State, Arizona State and Colorado State. Stanford lived with three of them they can live with the two of us. We're not you guys but...

(07-30-2023 08:27 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  Is this thread meant to be a joke?

It's either a joke, a delusion, or someone's hitting the laughing gas and posting.

Oregon and Washington? Please.

Lord, I'll be glad when we're playing football and the silly season is over.

(07-30-2023 08:34 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  

(07-30-2023 08:27 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  Is this thread meant to be a joke?

It's either a joke, a delusion, or someone's hitting the laughing gas and posting.

Oregon and Washington? Please.

Who's saying Washington and Oregon? Do tell. If Arizona goes to the B12, next will be Utah and Arizona State. Washington and Oregon to the B10. That leaves four teams in the PAC. If Cal and Stanford get a raft that leaves two.

You think SMU, Memphis, Tulane and USF are going to be content with going backwards? What's the joke exactly?

(08-08-2023 06:42 PM)correcamino Wrote:  

Quote:Give me Oregon State, Washington State, Boise State, and either SDSU, UNLV, or CSU in The American. Go to 18 like the other power conferences. ESPN has to see the value in an AAC that almost immediately jumps back to (or above) its previous spot among the most-watched leagues.

I’d really like to have CSU in the American and the others would be sweet, too.

Can we just add all 6 out west to go to twenty?

PACs come on board next year. MWCs in 2025.