Conservatives Favor Child Labor

(08-16-2023 11:41 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Conservatives Favor Child Labor

What's wrong with that?

(08-16-2023 11:43 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 11:41 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Conservatives Favor Child Labor

What's wrong with that?

I think you'll find that conservatives favor children having the ability to work if they want to, but not at the age or the connotation that "child labor" implies. I wouldn't think you'd find conservatives favoring children working in meat packing facilities, and other dangerous jobs.

But I could be wrong, and maybe my assumption as to what conservatives generally favor is not accurate, and that they do support children working in meat packing facilities.

edit: kinda like how liberals don't really favor abortions, but they favor the ability for women to have abortions.

(08-16-2023 11:48 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 11:43 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 11:41 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Conservatives Favor Child Labor

What's wrong with that?

I think you'll find that conservatives favor children having the ability to work if they want to, but not at the age or the connotation that "child labor" implies. I wouldn't think you'd find conservatives favoring children working in meat packing facilities, and other dangerous jobs.

But I could be wrong, and maybe my assumption as to what conservatives generally favor is not accurate, and that they do support children working in meat packing facilities.

Earlier in this thread "child" was under 18, and "labor" is defined much more broadly than working in a meat packing plant.

Up front, I'll ask you to please provide your specific definition of "child" and "labor" for purposes of this discussion, and then stick to it, before this conversation goes further.

(08-16-2023 11:53 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 11:48 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 11:43 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 11:41 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Conservatives Favor Child Labor

What's wrong with that?

I think you'll find that conservatives favor children having the ability to work if they want to, but not at the age or the connotation that "child labor" implies. I wouldn't think you'd find conservatives favoring children working in meat packing facilities, and other dangerous jobs.

But I could be wrong, and maybe my assumption as to what conservatives generally favor is not accurate, and that they do support children working in meat packing facilities.

Earlier in this thread "child" was under 18, and "labor" is defined much more broadly than working in a meat packing plant.

Up front, I'll ask you to please provide your specific definition of "child" and "labor" for purposes of this discussion, and then stick to it, before this conversation goes further.

Best to just nip it in the bud and end the back and forth here - this is not a hill I feel like dying on.

I added an edit to try and provide more context as to why this came to mind, and that's about as far as I want to take it. Happy to have provided a bad example, if it comes to that.

(08-16-2023 11:24 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 10:53 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 10:39 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(08-15-2023 12:55 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  The funny thing is that You and George bring up a fair point. But it defeats the original topic for you.

Toe the honest, I don't recall bringing up any particular substantive point on this thread, even if it was a fair one.

Perhaps I did so while still taking painkillers for my recent surgery?

Your comment on 'the faculty being against (NCAA sports of some issue)" was one, coupled with OOs comment on Bloom and this Rice Board, that made the overall issue of adding the phrase 'generally speaking' to the front end to determine the intellectual veracity of a broad characterization clear to me.

Oh yes -- I had forgotten about that, and I certainly couldn't have told you which thread it was in (a corollary of the Law of Thread Convergence, which seems as immutable to the Parliament as entropy is to thermodynamics).

Permit me to add one more point in clarification of the above: any hard distinction I may have implied between entropy and the Parliament was completely unintended. The latter is nothing more than a contributor to and manifestation of the former. :)

(08-16-2023 11:48 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 11:43 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 11:41 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Conservatives Favor Child Labor

What's wrong with that?

I think you'll find that conservatives favor children having the ability to work if they want to, but not at the age or the connotation that "child labor" implies. I wouldn't think you'd find conservatives favoring children working in meat packing facilities, and other dangerous jobs.

But I could be wrong, and maybe my assumption as to what conservatives generally favor is not accurate, and that they do support children working in meat packing facilities.

edit: kinda like how liberals don't really favor abortions, but they favor the ability for women to have abortions.

The difference here is probably that nobody, certainly not any republican would think that ANY Republican would support 'forced' child labor or them driving trucks or working in coal mines.

The choices are to assume the word 'some' or even better 'these I'm about to talk about in this article'... OR to assume as you have, that it is a dishonest title. If you read the actual article in question though, those questions are answered. In both of these cases, it seems that the title, given the context of the article... is not dishonest.

As to your 'liberals favor abortions' comment... similarly I don't think anyone thinks that this means liberals favor abortions over say a good margarita or an ice cold beer.... but it DOES imply that they favor them over some other option in this circumstance upon which they are reporting. I mean, I don't think I've ever read where someone 'supports abortion' or is 'pro-abortion' and read that to mean that they want it to be a competitive sport or that they are out there advocating for people to have one. A few people are much more cavalier about them than I'd like for them to be... but despite us speaking about a woman who wants an abortion... the reality is that NO woman 'wants' an abortion. That is just their immediate preference over the alternative.


That's the thing... These are not just wild ass comments out of left field with no context... as in Dean Wermer Blows Goats... but they are headlines to a news story.... where one would assume any questions about context would be answered. I don't think anyone who agrees with 'my' side of this issue reads these headlines and thinks 'yes, Dean Wermer actually DOES blow goats'

IOW, I think the issue comes in with the expectation of the reader.... and not necessarily the writer. Certainly the writer CAN take advantage of this, but i think it rather self evident that the left and right could look at the same story and write meaningfully different headlines... with each side thinking theirs is 'fair' and the other is not. I am not one that thinks ANY group is a monolith... so even if I said that left-handed, liberal professors favor chocolate... I'm not going to assume that this means anything more than perhaps 'most' of those people (or a plurality, but certainly not ALL of them) favor chocolate over at least one other flavor of 'something'. Do they mean chocolate milk? Chocolate Ice cream? Chocolate donuts? Does the 'delivery method' matter? How interested in those answers am I?? Enough to want to read the article?

(08-16-2023 10:34 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  I wonder what you would have titled the article? "Democrats don't want abusers to get arrested."?

After this useless tempest in a teapot, I would probably go for the blandest, least informative tag I could imagine, so how about "Stuff happening in California"? Although I worry about being somebody upset over the definition of stuff or that I left out Iowa.

Or nothing at all. Let people find out for themselves.

(08-16-2023 12:01 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 11:53 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 11:48 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 11:43 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 11:41 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Conservatives Favor Child Labor

What's wrong with that?

I think you'll find that conservatives favor children having the ability to work if they want to, but not at the age or the connotation that "child labor" implies. I wouldn't think you'd find conservatives favoring children working in meat packing facilities, and other dangerous jobs.

But I could be wrong, and maybe my assumption as to what conservatives generally favor is not accurate, and that they do support children working in meat packing facilities.

Earlier in this thread "child" was under 18, and "labor" is defined much more broadly than working in a meat packing plant.

Up front, I'll ask you to please provide your specific definition of "child" and "labor" for purposes of this discussion, and then stick to it, before this conversation goes further.

Best to just nip it in the bud and end the back and forth here - this is not a hill I feel like dying on.

I added an edit to try and provide more context as to why this came to mind, and that's about as far as I want to take it. Happy to have provided a bad example, if it comes to that.

Very hard to provide comprehensive overviews in a few words and please everybody with the preciseness of your word choices.

I feel your pain, brother.