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Yet TCU just played for the national title. I despise the cherry picking that occurs with networks, pundits, etc. Because they only care about eyeballs not what’s in a school or even a conferences best interest. These university presidents are having circles run around them by TV executives. Thought they were supposed to be the smart ones.
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(08-08-2023 12:17 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Yet TCU just played for the national title. I despise the cherry picking that occurs with networks, pundits, etc. Because they only care about eyeballs not what’s in a school or even a conferences best interest. These university presidents are having circles run around them by TV executives. Thought they were supposed to be the smart ones.

Yeah, TCU was mentioned a lot in those comments. Of course, the beat down by UGA didn’t help any perception issues they (or the B12) may have.
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(08-08-2023 09:14 AM)ken d Wrote:  I'm disappointed. This past weekend I was putting the finishing touches on a proposal for a P1 conference consisting of all of what was the P5 plus one addition - San Diego State - which I was going to call Pangea (thinking that was original). Now I find out that someone beat me to that conference name a dozen years ago, though with a very different idea about how it would be structured.

My proposal is a single 70 team conference consisting of 10 divisions of 7 schools. Each division would be headed by a school ranked in the Top Ten in average Sagarin rating over the past 10 years, and would have at least one other school ranked in the Top 25. Teams would play everyone in their division alternating home and away. They would also play four other teams (2 home, 2 away) for a 10 game conference schedule. Every school could protect up to four games by mutual consent of their desired opponents, so all rivalries can be preserved. The conference would select opponents for all unprotected games.

Pangea would have a single media contract for regular season games, using all interested media partners. The revenues from this contract, after deducting an amount to finance the administrative budget of the conference, would be shared equally among all 70 schools. There would be a separate contract for the league championship tournament.

In this tournament, revenues would not be shared equally. Teams that participate would be paid off the top, with teams that advance getting paid in increasing amounts for each round they play in. The first round would be played on the home fields of the 8 highest ranked division champs. Visiting teams would be generously reimbursed for their travel expenses. The 3 subsequent rounds would be played at neutral sites, with both teams getting travel reimbursement. After deducting all expenses for conducting the tournament, including payments to participants, net revenues would then be shared equally.

It's a fun exercise. I love to play around with "pick up sticks" ideas too. Just start over and imagine the possibilities...

But a better exercise is trying to use the rules that are already in place and imagine the "power players" (i.e. the conference presidents) using their traditional rules INSIDE the changing landscape.

To me, it's apparent that they'll be 3 not 4 super conferences--2 primary ones and 1 "best of the rest" league. But the best of the rest league is still plenty strong and covers enough geographical corners to be successful AND necessary.

Cutting the state of Arizona, for example, or Utah, OUT of a college football "Pangea" doesn't add to the sport's popularity. (Yes, I know that Wyoming and New Mexico have NEVER had a main stake in the game, but their population also isn't a main factor in the national TV/market game.)

The ACC is going to fold sooner or later. Why the ACC and not the Big 12? Because there are markets there that the SEC and Big Ten don't quite have domination over but do indeed want. If Swofford hadn't forced them into that pitiful deal in 2012, it might have survived. But alas...we're essentially looking at the Carolinas and Virginia that aren't covered by the Big Ten/SEC map.

Once the "Magnificent 7" get absorbed into the Big Ten and SEC (however it slices...those additions will put both of those leagues to near 24 teams each)...you'll be left with 7 teams to head for the Big 12.

And we'll be left with 3 conferences of 24 teams each.

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(08-08-2023 12:27 PM)unalions Wrote:  
(08-08-2023 12:17 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Yet TCU just played for the national title. I despise the cherry picking that occurs with networks, pundits, etc. Because they only care about eyeballs not what’s in a school or even a conferences best interest. These university presidents are having circles run around them by TV executives. Thought they were supposed to be the smart ones.

Yeah, TCU was mentioned a lot in those comments. Of course, the beat down by UGA didn’t help any perception issues they (or the B12) may have.

Yeah, but they beat top 3 ranked team to get there in a game that never really felt in doubt. Don't think anyone was beating UGA last year. Regardless, the point isn't whether a program that's not from a silver spoon league can get to a playoff and do some damage. It's about whether a TV network can get the requisite number of viewers. And I personally find that to be unfortunate because there are very few winners and a lot of losers (namely players, fans, and alumni). Oh what it could be (but never will).
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(08-08-2023 12:41 PM)micahandme Wrote:  
(08-08-2023 09:14 AM)ken d Wrote:  I'm disappointed. This past weekend I was putting the finishing touches on a proposal for a P1 conference consisting of all of what was the P5 plus one addition - San Diego State - which I was going to call Pangea (thinking that was original). Now I find out that someone beat me to that conference name a dozen years ago, though with a very different idea about how it would be structured.

My proposal is a single 70 team conference consisting of 10 divisions of 7 schools. Each division would be headed by a school ranked in the Top Ten in average Sagarin rating over the past 10 years, and would have at least one other school ranked in the Top 25. Teams would play everyone in their division alternating home and away. They would also play four other teams (2 home, 2 away) for a 10 game conference schedule. Every school could protect up to four games by mutual consent of their desired opponents, so all rivalries can be preserved. The conference would select opponents for all unprotected games.

Pangea would have a single media contract for regular season games, using all interested media partners. The revenues from this contract, after deducting an amount to finance the administrative budget of the conference, would be shared equally among all 70 schools. There would be a separate contract for the league championship tournament.

In this tournament, revenues would not be shared equally. Teams that participate would be paid off the top, with teams that advance getting paid in increasing amounts for each round they play in. The first round would be played on the home fields of the 8 highest ranked division champs. Visiting teams would be generously reimbursed for their travel expenses. The 3 subsequent rounds would be played at neutral sites, with both teams getting travel reimbursement. After deducting all expenses for conducting the tournament, including payments to participants, net revenues would then be shared equally.

It's a fun exercise. I love to play around with "pick up sticks" ideas too. Just start over and imagine the possibilities...

But a better exercise is trying to use the rules that are already in place and imagine the "power players" (i.e. the conference presidents) using their traditional rules INSIDE the changing landscape.

To me, it's apparent that they'll be 3 not 4 super conferences--2 primary ones and 1 "best of the rest" league. But the best of the rest league is still plenty strong and covers enough geographical corners to be successful AND necessary.

Cutting the state of Arizona, for example, or Utah, OUT of a college football "Pangea" doesn't add to the sport's popularity. (Yes, I know that Wyoming and New Mexico have NEVER had a main stake in the game, but their population also isn't a main factor in the national TV/market game.)

The ACC is going to fold sooner or later. Why the ACC and not the Big 12? Because there are markets there that the SEC and Big Ten don't quite have domination over but do indeed want. If Swofford hadn't forced them into that pitiful deal in 2012, it might have survived. But alas...we're essentially looking at the Carolinas and Virginia that aren't covered by the Big Ten/SEC map.

Once the "Magnificent 7" get absorbed into the Big Ten and SEC (however it slices...those additions will put both of those leagues to near 24 teams each)...you'll be left with 7 teams to head for the Big 12.

And we'll be left with 3 conferences of 24 teams each.

72...and Notre Dame 03-lmfao

This lines up with exactly what I see. Though I think its 20 to 24. Probably isn't going to be the same across the board. Otherwise, this is dead on IMO.
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If you double the list of 18, that’s 36, which is just four more teams than the NFL. I think that’s likely to be a more realistic number for this new semi-pro entity.
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From The Athletic today:

A potential football-only conglomerate could announce its intentions today if it wanted to, then take a year or two to set things up and resolve the important questions: bylaws, media rights deals, decide who’s in charge. Divide 60 programs into four 15-team divisions that make geographic sense (what a revolutionary idea)! Go all NFL-like with two conferences and three divisions in each.

Play with the numbers. Create a new playoff system (again). Doesn’t matter. Fans will watch and buy tickets, regardless. That’s all they care about.

It’ll get there someday. We’ve been trending in that direction for a while, and the recent moves by the Big “Ten” and the Big “12” and the former Pac-12’s self-immolation smothers all arguments against something so radical as an exit. There is no logical or economic downside to the idea.

https://theathletic.com/4759133/2023/08/...ed_article
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(08-09-2023 10:49 AM)unalions Wrote:  From The Athletic today:

A potential football-only conglomerate could announce its intentions today if it wanted to, then take a year or two to set things up and resolve the important questions: bylaws, media rights deals, decide who’s in charge. Divide 60 programs into four 15-team divisions that make geographic sense (what a revolutionary idea)! Go all NFL-like with two conferences and three divisions in each.

Play with the numbers. Create a new playoff system (again). Doesn’t matter. Fans will watch and buy tickets, regardless. That’s all they care about.

It’ll get there someday. We’ve been trending in that direction for a while, and the recent moves by the Big “Ten” and the Big “12” and the former Pac-12’s self-immolation smothers all arguments against something so radical as an exit. There is no logical or economic downside to the idea.

https://theathletic.com/4759133/2023/08/...ed_article


Not going to be 60 teams. 30-40 at most. Like Chip Kelly said, a division for the top, a lesser division for the rest.
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(08-09-2023 10:57 AM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  
(08-09-2023 10:49 AM)unalions Wrote:  From The Athletic today:

A potential football-only conglomerate could announce its intentions today if it wanted to, then take a year or two to set things up and resolve the important questions: bylaws, media rights deals, decide who’s in charge. Divide 60 programs into four 15-team divisions that make geographic sense (what a revolutionary idea)! Go all NFL-like with two conferences and three divisions in each.

Play with the numbers. Create a new playoff system (again). Doesn’t matter. Fans will watch and buy tickets, regardless. That’s all they care about.

It’ll get there someday. We’ve been trending in that direction for a while, and the recent moves by the Big “Ten” and the Big “12” and the former Pac-12’s self-immolation smothers all arguments against something so radical as an exit. There is no logical or economic downside to the idea.

https://theathletic.com/4759133/2023/08/...ed_article


Not going to be 60 teams. 30-40 at most. Like Chip Kelly said, a division for the top, a lesser division for the rest.

I agree. I think 32 or 36 is the likely sweet spot for this new league.
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(08-09-2023 11:02 AM)unalions Wrote:  
(08-09-2023 10:57 AM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  
(08-09-2023 10:49 AM)unalions Wrote:  From The Athletic today:

A potential football-only conglomerate could announce its intentions today if it wanted to, then take a year or two to set things up and resolve the important questions: bylaws, media rights deals, decide who’s in charge. Divide 60 programs into four 15-team divisions that make geographic sense (what a revolutionary idea)! Go all NFL-like with two conferences and three divisions in each.

Play with the numbers. Create a new playoff system (again). Doesn’t matter. Fans will watch and buy tickets, regardless. That’s all they care about.

It’ll get there someday. We’ve been trending in that direction for a while, and the recent moves by the Big “Ten” and the Big “12” and the former Pac-12’s self-immolation smothers all arguments against something so radical as an exit. There is no logical or economic downside to the idea.

https://theathletic.com/4759133/2023/08/...ed_article


Not going to be 60 teams. 30-40 at most. Like Chip Kelly said, a division for the top, a lesser division for the rest.

I agree. I think 32 or 36 is the likely sweet spot for this new league.

But, I think it would be split with all FBS like a lot in the P2 have been saying. You could actually work better that way. At 40 schools? The schools out west don't have local schools to play with for ease of travel. If you get the best of all the schools in football and put in regions, and someone said it should go to regulations like they do in Europe for the soccer. It would keep fans for all the schools interested. Like what we are seeing, there are more people watching a Boise State game than they do with a Colorado game. Leaving schools like Boise State, Fresno State, TCU, etc out of the P2 who gets the better ratings would actually hurt the viewership down for the P2 as well.
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It shouldn't happen though. If it is to be created, a new league should be divested from the college/university system. Do we really need another pro football league?

The one thing that made college football so much better than professional are the traditions, rivalries, atmospheres, and bonds that exist in college but not pro.

Greed is destroying that.
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I wonder if this new league will have a draft and salary/budget caps?
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(08-09-2023 12:16 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  It shouldn't happen though. If it is to be created, a new league should be divested from the college/university system. Do we really need another pro football league?

The one thing that made college football so much better than professional are the traditions, rivalries, atmospheres, and bonds that exist in college but not pro.

Greed is destroying that.

You got players making 7 figures now. Sure sounds like a pro league to me.
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(08-08-2023 12:27 PM)unalions Wrote:  
(08-08-2023 12:17 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Yet TCU just played for the national title. I despise the cherry picking that occurs with networks, pundits, etc. Because they only care about eyeballs not what’s in a school or even a conferences best interest. These university presidents are having circles run around them by TV executives. Thought they were supposed to be the smart ones.

Yeah, TCU was mentioned a lot in those comments. Of course, the beat down by UGA didn’t help any perception issues they (or the B12) may have.


The Beat down of the Big 10 schools did not helped either for their caused.
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(08-09-2023 12:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(08-08-2023 12:27 PM)unalions Wrote:  
(08-08-2023 12:17 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Yet TCU just played for the national title. I despise the cherry picking that occurs with networks, pundits, etc. Because they only care about eyeballs not what’s in a school or even a conferences best interest. These university presidents are having circles run around them by TV executives. Thought they were supposed to be the smart ones.

Yeah, TCU was mentioned a lot in those comments. Of course, the beat down by UGA didn’t help any perception issues they (or the B12) may have.


The Beat down of the Big 10 schools did not helped either for their caused.

Beat down? UGA beat OSU by 1 point.

Meanwhile, UGA absolutely skull-drug TCU by 58 and it could have been worse.
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Lots of articles about this inevitable scenario in the past week.

Might college football move to NFL Lite, a system for its most elite teams? 'Could happen'

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/c...573369007/
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And here:

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(08-13-2023 01:56 PM)unalions Wrote:  Lots of articles about this inevitable scenario in the past week.

Might college football move to NFL Lite, a system for its most elite teams? 'Could happen'

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/c...573369007/

Notice how the focus is on football travel? BB would be twice as bad.
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Perhaps this talk is to get Congress involved to dissolve conference GORs and allow this to happen for the betterment of the "student athlete." Yep, get the government to give the P1 schools what they want now rather than in 2036.
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Still don't understand how this is part of a college or university's mission to create either a pseudo or outright professional sports entity. And if it's a full separation they should only get to use the school's name if the school is paying for it as a sponsorship - like a NASCAR with the car's logo and colors on it.

At some point - for the public institutions anyway that are receiving billions collectively from the government - Congress is going to end up stepping in. And we know what happens when that does.
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