So how is Andrew (Edit: make that "Oliver") Luck serving the UAC and also working for the Pac(4) at the same time???

Is he no longer involved with the UAC?

(08-14-2023 07:02 PM)RCI Wrote:  So how is Andrew Luck serving the UAC and also working for the Pac(4) at the same time???

Is he no longer involved with the UAC?

You mean Andrew's dad Oliver, but your question is kinda my question. I have read several articles about Oliver's "consulting" job with the PAC and none of them even mentioned the UAC or Oliver's job with it. To me, it's a classic sign of someone looking after money and recognition instead of focusing on, and doing, the original job he was hired to do.

Oliver Luck is still listed on the UAC website as the Executive Director.

Of course you are correct, I meant Oliver, and not his son. I just don't understand how you can be the Executive Director of the UAC and work for the PAC.

(08-14-2023 09:57 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  Oliver Luck is still listed on the UAC website as the Executive Director.

At this point, I think he hasn't left the UAC, but the point of spreading yourself too thin, instead of focusing on your primary task at hand in a delicate phase is important. One could almost call his "consulting" a conflict of interest.

Luck’s source material with the UAC is limited. With Stanford (to which I think you see the connection) and some of the other schools involved, things are a little better.

Not a whole lot. Luck won’t get any permutation of that conference even a $15 million per school per year payday. I think Oregon State and Washington State (and several eastern schools) require $10 million just to survive in it with the travel costs involved. I suspect the Stanford-Cal pair and the OSU-WSU pair don’t have a lot in common (especially visions) at this point

And at this point, breaking the $10 million per school barrier will be elusive.

He's just a consultant to PAC. As in 1099 employee. Nothing prevents him from doing so while serving in his titled role in the UAC. Tarleton has even hired him as a consultant in its quest for FBS. No big deal.

(08-15-2023 01:37 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  He's just a consultant to PAC. As in 1099 employee. Nothing prevents him from doing so while serving in his titled role in the UAC. Tarleton has even hired him as a consultant in its quest for FBS. No big deal.

It kinda is, like I said, there are conflicts of interest. How does a leader of a conference put his time and energy into the entire conference when he is also working with another conference on their needs? Worse yet, how does a leader of a conference work on the needs of an entire conference when he is also helping one or two individual teams in that conference leave that conference on the side? We understand what the word consultant means, that's not the issue. He has already shown some mismanagement with the UAC in how he hasn't even been able to make the UAC a legit conference. Then, there was the poor rollout of the info for media day, their website, and other things. Hey, the UAC could be good. It could actually become a real conference one day. Luck could actually come through. I am not saying non of that will happen, but what he has shown so far is questionable (still early yes), and choosing to go off and do other things in the midst of that questionable performance doesn't make him look any better.

(08-15-2023 03:01 PM)Outsider Wrote:  

(08-15-2023 01:37 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  He's just a consultant to PAC. As in 1099 employee. Nothing prevents him from doing so while serving in his titled role in the UAC. Tarleton has even hired him as a consultant in its quest for FBS. No big deal.

It kinda is, like I said, there are conflicts of interest. How does a leader of a conference put his time and energy into the entire conference when he is also working with another conference on their needs? Worse yet, how does a leader of a conference work on the needs of an entire conference when he is also helping one or two individual teams in that conference leave that conference on the side? We understand what the word consultant means, that's not the issue. He has already shown some mismanagement with the UAC in how he hasn't even been able to make the UAC a legit conference. Then, there was the poor rollout of the info for media day, their website, and other things. Hey, the UAC could be good. It could actually become a real conference one day. Luck could actually come through. I am not saying non of that will happen, but what he has shown so far is questionable (still early yes), and choosing to go off and do other things in the midst of that questionable performance doesn't make him look any better.

Whatever rabbit he ends up pulling out his hat for the PAC, no doubt it will trickle down to affect G5, then perhaps, maybe, ultimately, the UAC. All good stuff. No sniveling.

(08-15-2023 04:41 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(08-15-2023 03:01 PM)Outsider Wrote:  

(08-15-2023 01:37 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  He's just a consultant to PAC. As in 1099 employee. Nothing prevents him from doing so while serving in his titled role in the UAC. Tarleton has even hired him as a consultant in its quest for FBS. No big deal.

It kinda is, like I said, there are conflicts of interest. How does a leader of a conference put his time and energy into the entire conference when he is also working with another conference on their needs? Worse yet, how does a leader of a conference work on the needs of an entire conference when he is also helping one or two individual teams in that conference leave that conference on the side? We understand what the word consultant means, that's not the issue. He has already shown some mismanagement with the UAC in how he hasn't even been able to make the UAC a legit conference. Then, there was the poor rollout of the info for media day, their website, and other things. Hey, the UAC could be good. It could actually become a real conference one day. Luck could actually come through. I am not saying non of that will happen, but what he has shown so far is questionable (still early yes), and choosing to go off and do other things in the midst of that questionable performance doesn't make him look any better.

Whatever rabbit he ends up pulling out his hat for the PAC, no doubt it will trickle down to affect G5, then perhaps, maybe, ultimately, the UAC. All good stuff. No sniveling.

It may or may not. We have already discussed ad nauseum how the 3-tiered DI system can play out and not much of it necessarily gives direct trickle-down residual effects like you propose. What's funny is that many major jobs would fire him for conflict of interest. Why is football different? I know it's just about money and no one cares, but a duck is still a duck. I am still hoping the best for the UAC, and those of us playing in it, but I have had to admit that it's being run by a narcissist. What has been interesting to me has been who do we all actually play football for if the UAC doesn't actually exist. According to the NCAA I got my answer today and it was interesting. I ask you that question. According to the NCAA which conference does ACU, Tarleton, SFA, UT, SUU and every other football team in the UAC play for? Is that the job Luck was hired for?

I think that process would have been there regardless.

LUCK. Future new PAC commish? (If he can "save" it)

Oliver seems like the middle man to clean up the pac mess. Come in, try to salvage any possibility of the conference and leave it in place for the next commissioner to not have to rebuild it all from scratch. He knows a lot of ads and he can work through back channels to get the pac to 8 or 10 teams. Rumor has it pac wants 9 teams with all sports and then 1 without football (Gonzaga). 3 mtw and 2 aac all teams play each other in football.

Seems like a lot of travel for a super-reduced conference payout.

(08-16-2023 11:21 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Seems like a lot of travel for a super-reduced conference payout.

Correct but good for the 3 MWC. Stanford, Cal, OSU, WSU, Boise, UNLV, and SDSU would be a good start to a regional conference especially if Gonzaga gets added.

SMU, Rice, Tulane, UTSA etc would be dumb to join just due to travel unless the plan is to get 4-6 teams in the Texas area in the near future.

Stanford is probably gonna cry and it's gonna ruin it all lol