Think there is a 50% UMass and Delaware move to the MAC in the next year, all sports.

(08-24-2023 09:34 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Think there is a 50% UMass and Delaware move to the MAC in the next year, all sports.

That would be great. Easy East/West split by shifting Bowling Green St to the West and add Delaware and Massachusetts to the East.

It would make a lot of sense for Texas State to be in the AAC. If that happens, the SBC will replace with another Central Time Zone school. We have waited for years for Missouri State to make an effort to be ready to move to FBS. IDK if they are ready now, or even if they want to anymore. I think the only school that would have enough votes right now would be WKU. They made a really impressive pitch during the last round of realignment.

(08-24-2023 09:30 AM)solohawks Wrote:  If AAC has to replace SMU just to hit the 14 mark, then Texas State would make a lot of sense with the SunBelt taking Missouri State to be there new Western #7

What sense? I still don't see it.

(08-24-2023 08:53 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:33 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:20 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  The problem for Texas St is that SBC and AAC are both ESPN properties and as we have seen ESPN has largely refused to tap into content it already has.

Are you referring to the SEC-ACC-Ironclad GoR thingie? Or something else?

AAC and Sun Belt expanding with C-USA schools rather than one another.

You're both wrong.

It's that the ACC and SEC can't add AAC or SBC schools. It's not about the GOR. It's that schools from exclusively ESPN conferences can't go to any other exclusively ESPN conference.

Right?

Urm, are you forgetting that SMU is in the AAC and moving to the ACC? I mean seriously, anything can and will happen. Money talks and contracts are made to be broken. Have you not learned that yet.

(08-24-2023 08:53 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:33 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:20 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  The problem for Texas St is that SBC and AAC are both ESPN properties and as we have seen ESPN has largely refused to tap into content it already has.

Are you referring to the SEC-ACC-Ironclad GoR thingie? Or something else?

AAC and Sun Belt expanding with C-USA schools rather than one another.

You're both wrong.

It's that the ACC and SEC can't add AAC or SBC schools. It's not about the GOR. It's that schools from exclusively ESPN conferences can't go to any other exclusively ESPN conference.

Right?

That's what I was referring. Tier 1 for C-USA is CBS.

(08-24-2023 09:57 AM)BCSvsBS Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:53 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:33 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:20 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  The problem for Texas St is that SBC and AAC are both ESPN properties and as we have seen ESPN has largely refused to tap into content it already has.

Are you referring to the SEC-ACC-Ironclad GoR thingie? Or something else?

AAC and Sun Belt expanding with C-USA schools rather than one another.

You're both wrong.

It's that the ACC and SEC can't add AAC or SBC schools. It's not about the GOR. It's that schools from exclusively ESPN conferences can't go to any other exclusively ESPN conference.

Right?

Urm, are you forgetting that SMU is in the AAC and moving to the ACC? I mean seriously, anything can and will happen. Money talks and contracts are made to be broken. Have you not learned that yet.

But taking no TV money. So, it's a bit of a unique situation.

(08-24-2023 08:23 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:16 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  There will be a trickle down, but it’s an open question about the scale.

If the Pac-2 can somehow take the best of the rest from the MWC and AAC, then that would obviously have a massive impact on the G5.

If it’s a matter of the Pac-2 just heading to or merging with the MWC, then that’s a lot more mitigated, but moved at the G5 level will still happen.

I think ESPN is going to insist on the AAC replacing SMU with someone (e.g. Texas State) if SMU leaves in order for the league to keep its full payout. ESPN wants the AAC for pure game tonnage for ESPN+, which is why they pushed the AAC to expand to 14 schools in the first place.

I don't get the interest in Texas State. They're sandwiched between Texas and a growing UTSA. They've not been successful (40-92 in FBS). San Marcos doesn't add any televisions not already covered by UTSA. Other teams will grumble when conferences get too 'Texas-centric'.

There has to be a better choice somewhere.

Buffalo or MTSU I guess...

(08-24-2023 10:00 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 09:57 AM)BCSvsBS Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:53 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:33 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  Are you referring to the SEC-ACC-Ironclad GoR thingie? Or something else?

AAC and Sun Belt expanding with C-USA schools rather than one another.

You're both wrong.

It's that the ACC and SEC can't add AAC or SBC schools. It's not about the GOR. It's that schools from exclusively ESPN conferences can't go to any other exclusively ESPN conference.

Right?

Urm, are you forgetting that SMU is in the AAC and moving to the ACC? I mean seriously, anything can and will happen. Money talks and contracts are made to be broken. Have you not learned that yet.

But taking no TV money. So, it's a bit of a unique situation.

It alters the value of the product on both ends. It will have consequences. So, not it isn't that different as the money is still being payed. It's just that SMU isn't the one getting it.

Georgia state to the AAC, Missouri state to the sunbelt

(08-24-2023 08:16 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  There will be a trickle down, but it’s an open question about the scale.

If the Pac-2 can somehow take the best of the rest from the MWC and AAC, then that would obviously have a massive impact on the G5.

If it’s a matter of the Pac-2 just heading to or merging with the MWC, then that’s a lot more mitigated, but moved at the G5 level will still happen.

I think ESPN is going to insist on the AAC replacing SMU with someone (e.g. Texas State) if SMU leaves in order for the league to keep its full payout. ESPN wants the AAC for pure game tonnage for ESPN+, which is why they pushed the AAC to expand to 14 schools in the first place.

Don't see any AAC schools leaving the AAC for what would be the MWC disguised as the PAC.

If the AAC loses SMU (probable)--they WILL add One.
INVENTORY amount is needed and 13 is unwieldy.


ARMY
ARMY------------{FULL SHARE}
ARMY


Any other at half/reduced share:

Georgia State-- Atlanta #6 media market, TOP 5 Football Recruiting State, 8th largest state with nearly 11 million people and a 10.6% growth rate. The SOUTH=FOOTBALL. Would be a new state and market for the AAC (vs Tex. St.); already have three teams in Texas.

Others-- Texas State, Old Dominion

(08-24-2023 09:57 AM)BCSvsBS Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:53 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:33 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:20 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  The problem for Texas St is that SBC and AAC are both ESPN properties and as we have seen ESPN has largely refused to tap into content it already has.

Are you referring to the SEC-ACC-Ironclad GoR thingie? Or something else?

AAC and Sun Belt expanding with C-USA schools rather than one another.

You're both wrong.

It's that the ACC and SEC can't add AAC or SBC schools. It's not about the GOR. It's that schools from exclusively ESPN conferences can't go to any other exclusively ESPN conference.

Right?

Urm, are you forgetting that SMU is in the AAC and moving to the ACC? I mean seriously, anything can and will happen. Money talks and contracts are made to be broken. Have you not learned that yet.

I was being sarcastic.

(08-24-2023 10:11 AM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:16 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  There will be a trickle down, but it’s an open question about the scale.

If the Pac-2 can somehow take the best of the rest from the MWC and AAC, then that would obviously have a massive impact on the G5.

If it’s a matter of the Pac-2 just heading to or merging with the MWC, then that’s a lot more mitigated, but moved at the G5 level will still happen.

I think ESPN is going to insist on the AAC replacing SMU with someone (e.g. Texas State) if SMU leaves in order for the league to keep its full payout. ESPN wants the AAC for pure game tonnage for ESPN+, which is why they pushed the AAC to expand to 14 schools in the first place.

Don't see any AAC schools leaving the AAC for what would be the MWC disguised as the PAC.

Don't see any point to building a new league that is based solely on Western schools.

(08-24-2023 10:29 AM)splitstud Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 10:11 AM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  Don't see any AAC schools leaving the AAC for what would be the MWC disguised as the PAC.

Don't see any point to building a new league that is based solely on Western schools.

It makes sense if you look at the numbers.

(08-24-2023 08:32 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:23 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:16 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  There will be a trickle down, but it’s an open question about the scale.

If the Pac-2 can somehow take the best of the rest from the MWC and AAC, then that would obviously have a massive impact on the G5.

If it’s a matter of the Pac-2 just heading to or merging with the MWC, then that’s a lot more mitigated, but moved at the G5 level will still happen.

I think ESPN is going to insist on the AAC replacing SMU with someone (e.g. Texas State) if SMU leaves in order for the league to keep its full payout. ESPN wants the AAC for pure game tonnage for ESPN+, which is why they pushed the AAC to expand to 14 schools in the first place.

I don't get the interest in Texas State. They're sandwiched between Texas and a growing UTSA. They've not been successful (40-92 in FBS). San Marcos doesn't add any televisions not already covered by UTSA. Other teams will grumble when conferences get too 'Texas-centric'.

There has to be a better choice somewhere.

Maybe a school like Georgia State - to the extent that the AAC has any guiding institutional congruity, it’s schools located directly in large markets (with a couple of exceptions like ECU).

UMass is always out there and willing - they’d join as a full member of the AAC in a way that they would only want a football-only membership in the other G5 leagues.

Army’s temperature for conference membership should be taken again - they’d be the clear #1 option if they’re willing to join (but I wouldn’t bank on them).

UConn is out there as a possible football-only option, but they probably like their independent schedules even more now compared to the AAC lineup that doesn’t have Houston, Cincinnati, UCF or SMU.

Georgia State would fit the mold of our most recent additions, but last time the American was not allowed to touch ESPN properties (Sun Belt, MAC).

So, in my opinion it would be Army, UMass or FIU replacing SMU if they were to leave.

(08-24-2023 10:11 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Georgia state to the AAC, Missouri state to the sunbelt

SBC will take a school from CUSA.

(08-24-2023 10:36 AM)Chappy Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:32 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:23 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:16 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  There will be a trickle down, but it’s an open question about the scale.

If the Pac-2 can somehow take the best of the rest from the MWC and AAC, then that would obviously have a massive impact on the G5.

If it’s a matter of the Pac-2 just heading to or merging with the MWC, then that’s a lot more mitigated, but moved at the G5 level will still happen.

I think ESPN is going to insist on the AAC replacing SMU with someone (e.g. Texas State) if SMU leaves in order for the league to keep its full payout. ESPN wants the AAC for pure game tonnage for ESPN+, which is why they pushed the AAC to expand to 14 schools in the first place.

I don't get the interest in Texas State. They're sandwiched between Texas and a growing UTSA. They've not been successful (40-92 in FBS). San Marcos doesn't add any televisions not already covered by UTSA. Other teams will grumble when conferences get too 'Texas-centric'.

There has to be a better choice somewhere.

Maybe a school like Georgia State - to the extent that the AAC has any guiding institutional congruity, it’s schools located directly in large markets (with a couple of exceptions like ECU).

UMass is always out there and willing - they’d join as a full member of the AAC in a way that they would only want a football-only membership in the other G5 leagues.

Army’s temperature for conference membership should be taken again - they’d be the clear #1 option if they’re willing to join (but I wouldn’t bank on them).

UConn is out there as a possible football-only option, but they probably like their independent schedules even more now compared to the AAC lineup that doesn’t have Houston, Cincinnati, UCF or SMU.

Georgia State would fit the mold of our most recent additions, but last time the American was not allowed to touch ESPN properties (Sun Belt, MAC).

So, in my opinion it would be Army, UMass or FIU replacing SMU if they were to leave.

There was no interest in the Sun Belt and MAC. AAC was looking at the larger budget schools which were all in CUSA.

(08-24-2023 10:39 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 10:36 AM)Chappy Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:32 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:23 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 08:16 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  There will be a trickle down, but it’s an open question about the scale.

If the Pac-2 can somehow take the best of the rest from the MWC and AAC, then that would obviously have a massive impact on the G5.

If it’s a matter of the Pac-2 just heading to or merging with the MWC, then that’s a lot more mitigated, but moved at the G5 level will still happen.

I think ESPN is going to insist on the AAC replacing SMU with someone (e.g. Texas State) if SMU leaves in order for the league to keep its full payout. ESPN wants the AAC for pure game tonnage for ESPN+, which is why they pushed the AAC to expand to 14 schools in the first place.

I don't get the interest in Texas State. They're sandwiched between Texas and a growing UTSA. They've not been successful (40-92 in FBS). San Marcos doesn't add any televisions not already covered by UTSA. Other teams will grumble when conferences get too 'Texas-centric'.

There has to be a better choice somewhere.

Maybe a school like Georgia State - to the extent that the AAC has any guiding institutional congruity, it’s schools located directly in large markets (with a couple of exceptions like ECU).

UMass is always out there and willing - they’d join as a full member of the AAC in a way that they would only want a football-only membership in the other G5 leagues.

Army’s temperature for conference membership should be taken again - they’d be the clear #1 option if they’re willing to join (but I wouldn’t bank on them).

UConn is out there as a possible football-only option, but they probably like their independent schedules even more now compared to the AAC lineup that doesn’t have Houston, Cincinnati, UCF or SMU.

Georgia State would fit the mold of our most recent additions, but last time the American was not allowed to touch ESPN properties (Sun Belt, MAC).

So, in my opinion it would be Army, UMass or FIU replacing SMU if they were to leave.

There was no interest in the Sun Belt and MAC. AAC was looking at the larger budget schools which were all in CUSA.

Old Dominion was perhaps the largest budget in the G5 not in the AAC at the time. The AAC took who our TV partner told us to take.

Oregon State and WSU joining the MWC or AAC wouldn't have any downstream impact on realignment.

If anything it might be a braking force on future realignment, because a 14 team MWC or 16 team AAC would be less likely to raid Conference USA or the Sun Belt than a 12 team MWC or 14 team AAC.