(10-08-2023 06:26 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 01:24 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  When arguing against the existence of God, often times atheists will ask why God doesn't stop evil. Another argument they use is to say God is genocidal.

The following demonstrates the futility of those arguments.


The inhabitants of that land had been sacrificing their live babies via fire to false gods for over 400 years. As repeated warnings failed to turn the Canaanites from this evil practice, God used the Israelites to conquer the Canaanites and He gave the land to them, aka the Promised Land.

This was the land given to them after the Exodus from Egypt.

God created the heavens and the earth, It is His to do as He wills. He gave that land to the Israelites. It is theirs. Palestinians have no valid claim to it.

I support Israel's right to exist. However, these arguments aren't going to sway anyone in that region to the contrary. Their books tell them differently.

Understand Miko that we are saying it here because its going to convince the Muslims of anything. We are telling people here so they will know the Bible was right about everything it said about how we got to this point. And based on that it a pretty safe bet its going to be right about how this middle east thing plays out in the end with Israel.

That is the difference between the Koran and the Bible. The Koran offers no evidence at all on this that its actually from God, its actually written about 700 years after Jesus and all the key events like the fall of Israel. It does not even mention or talk about Israel as a nation, its returning as as a nation or any battle over the eland between Muslim and Jews over the Holy land. Jerusalem is not even mentioned in the Koran.

(10-08-2023 07:05 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 06:26 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 01:24 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  When arguing against the existence of God, often times atheists will ask why God doesn't stop evil. Another argument they use is to say God is genocidal.

The following demonstrates the futility of those arguments.


The inhabitants of that land had been sacrificing their live babies via fire to false gods for over 400 years. As repeated warnings failed to turn the Canaanites from this evil practice, God used the Israelites to conquer the Canaanites and He gave the land to them, aka the Promised Land.

This was the land given to them after the Exodus from Egypt.

God created the heavens and the earth, It is His to do as He wills. He gave that land to the Israelites. It is theirs. Palestinians have no valid claim to it.

I support Israel's right to exist. However, these arguments aren't going to sway anyone in that region to the contrary. Their books tell them differently.

Understand Miko that we are saying it here because its going to convince the Muslims of anything. We are telling people here so they will know the Bible was right about everything it said about how we got to this point. And based on that it a pretty safe bet its going to be right about how this middle east thing plays out in the end with Israel.

That is the difference between the Koran and the Bible. The Koran offers no evidence at all on this that its actually from God, its actually written about 700 years after Jesus and all the key events like the fall of Israel. It does not even mention or talk about Israel as a nation, its returning as as a nation or any battle over the eland between Muslim and Jews over the Holy land. Jerusalem is not even mentioned in the Koran.

Eric let's put this another way for unbelievers. Yes, the Bible is correct. Yes, the Muslims have the Koran. What even agnostics need to know, or atheists for that matter, is that the Koran states when you live among the infidel be peaceful, but when you are in the majority and the infidel lives among you put them to the question of faith and if they will not convert put them to the sword. The Bible merely says if they will not believe shake the dust off of your feet and move on.

So tell me if you want the rise of an international Muslim movement? It won't end well for Christians, Jews, Agnostics, Atheists, Orthodox (Greek, Russian, Coptic, etc.), and it absolutely will not end well for Homosexuals, Transvestites, or any alternative lifestyle. The God of the Jews and Christians leaves the choice of salvation to us. Islam states when they have the upper hand, all must convert. In other words, for those educated in public schools, you have no choice. You convert or die or move to where the Muslims are in the minority, like here in the U.S..

I've had Muslim friends, and not all believe this way, but the extremists do. As with all extremist sects of religion, it's the zealots who wage war and ignore compassion and choice and grace. Why? Because for extremists it is a means of earthly power and not about God, or Allah. And in Islam, it is the extremists waging war against everyone who is not Muslim. And when they have destroyed the infidel, they will destroy those within the faith that don't see it their way.

So, whether you are left, or right, Christian, Jew, or Muslim, if you are free and operate by choice, and live in grace with your neighbor, this fight is for your survival. We believe as Christians that our God will decide all of this. They believe that they will with the blessing of the God, and therein resides the war.


It will be interesting to see how China uses them. Uyghurs are Muslims. China has them in slave labor camps. There is an interesting conflict between these two which seem to be partnered now and the West needs to exploit it.

(10-08-2023 12:27 PM)banker Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 09:36 AM)Todor Wrote:  Iran must be the problem. After all, Jews have gotten along perfectly with everyone else they have lived around throughout history.

Standing up for Iran is a bridge too far. I know they’re Russia’s BFF, but they are, and have been, evil for the last half century.

I see sarcasm isn’t your thing. That’s cool.

Iran and Russia are no long time allies, by any stretch. Study history man.

Also study how Iran got the government they have now. It’s the result of yet another US foreign policy blunder regime change operation.

(10-08-2023 02:23 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 09:36 AM)Todor Wrote:  Iran must be the problem. After all, Jews have gotten along perfectly with everyone else they have lived around throughout history.

Wow. A Putin lover and anti semite as well. You check all the boxes.

Meanwhile….
Israel doesn’t need to resort to nukes. They just need to destroy Irans ability to close the deal. The Ayatollas are hanging on by intimidation and their finger nails. Deal them a death blow.
The hamas terrorist should be blown to their alla in hell. Men, women and children. Children will suffer for their fathers sins. Has been and always shall be. Talking has not brought any peace. The only thing left is complete and utter victory.

By all means, provide a list of all the times and places they gotten along with their neighbors and for how long. This ought to be good.

If you disagree with my statement and call it anti semitic, it comes from the Jews themselves. In all of their own history they say they have been persecuted everywhere they’ve moved into. Do you disagree with them? If so, you are the anti semite. I agree with them and am repeating their own version of the story.

(10-08-2023 07:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 07:05 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 06:26 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 01:24 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  When arguing against the existence of God, often times atheists will ask why God doesn't stop evil. Another argument they use is to say God is genocidal.

The following demonstrates the futility of those arguments.


The inhabitants of that land had been sacrificing their live babies via fire to false gods for over 400 years. As repeated warnings failed to turn the Canaanites from this evil practice, God used the Israelites to conquer the Canaanites and He gave the land to them, aka the Promised Land.

This was the land given to them after the Exodus from Egypt.

God created the heavens and the earth, It is His to do as He wills. He gave that land to the Israelites. It is theirs. Palestinians have no valid claim to it.

I support Israel's right to exist. However, these arguments aren't going to sway anyone in that region to the contrary. Their books tell them differently.

Understand Miko that we are saying it here because its going to convince the Muslims of anything. We are telling people here so they will know the Bible was right about everything it said about how we got to this point. And based on that it a pretty safe bet its going to be right about how this middle east thing plays out in the end with Israel.

That is the difference between the Koran and the Bible. The Koran offers no evidence at all on this that its actually from God, its actually written about 700 years after Jesus and all the key events like the fall of Israel. It does not even mention or talk about Israel as a nation, its returning as as a nation or any battle over the eland between Muslim and Jews over the Holy land. Jerusalem is not even mentioned in the Koran.

Eric let's put this another way for unbelievers. Yes, the Bible is correct. Yes, the Muslims have the Koran. What even agnostics need to know, or atheists for that matter, is that the Koran states when you live among the infidel be peaceful, but when you are in the majority and the infidel lives among you put them to the question of faith and if they will not convert put them to the sword. The Bible merely says if they will not believe shake the dust off of your feet and move on.

So tell me if you want the rise of an international Muslim movement? It won't end well for Christians, Jews, Agnostics, Atheists, Orthodox (Greek, Russian, Coptic, etc.), and it absolutely will not end well for Homosexuals, Transvestites, or any alternative lifestyle. The God of the Jews and Christians leaves the choice of salvation to us. Islam states when they have the upper hand, all must convert. In other words, for those educated in public schools, you have no choice. You convert or die or move to where the Muslims are in the minority, like here in the U.S..

I've had Muslim friends, and not all believe this way, but the extremists do. As with all extremist sects of religion, it's the zealots who wage war and ignore compassion and choice and grace. Why? Because for extremists it is a means of earthly power and not about God, or Allah. And in Islam, it is the extremists waging war against everyone who is not Muslim. And when they have destroyed the infidel, they will destroy those within the faith that don't see it their way.

So, whether you are left, or right, Christian, Jew, or Muslim, if you are free and operate by choice, and live in grace with your neighbor, this fight is for your survival. We believe as Christians that our God will decide all of this. They believe that they will with the blessing of the God, and therein resides the war.


It will be interesting to see how China uses them. Uyghurs are Muslims. China has them in slave labor camps. There is an interesting conflict between these two which seem to be partnered now and the West needs to exploit it.

You are a far more wise man than me, but don’t be fooled. All muslims think that way. They are encouraged by their book to lie about it. And that is the truth.
Another truth is that since the time of Christ the Jews have not attacked and killed anyone. However just as the Bible says they will be persecuted until the second coming. A good example is this Todor idiot claiming this is all the Jews fault because the muslims hate them and want to kill every single one of them. As the Koran says something to the effect “alla let every stone and tree exclaimed here hides a Jew so that we shall kill them all”.

(10-08-2023 08:02 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 07:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 07:05 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 06:26 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 01:24 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  When arguing against the existence of God, often times atheists will ask why God doesn't stop evil. Another argument they use is to say God is genocidal.

The following demonstrates the futility of those arguments.


The inhabitants of that land had been sacrificing their live babies via fire to false gods for over 400 years. As repeated warnings failed to turn the Canaanites from this evil practice, God used the Israelites to conquer the Canaanites and He gave the land to them, aka the Promised Land.

This was the land given to them after the Exodus from Egypt.

God created the heavens and the earth, It is His to do as He wills. He gave that land to the Israelites. It is theirs. Palestinians have no valid claim to it.

I support Israel's right to exist. However, these arguments aren't going to sway anyone in that region to the contrary. Their books tell them differently.

Understand Miko that we are saying it here because its going to convince the Muslims of anything. We are telling people here so they will know the Bible was right about everything it said about how we got to this point. And based on that it a pretty safe bet its going to be right about how this middle east thing plays out in the end with Israel.

That is the difference between the Koran and the Bible. The Koran offers no evidence at all on this that its actually from God, its actually written about 700 years after Jesus and all the key events like the fall of Israel. It does not even mention or talk about Israel as a nation, its returning as as a nation or any battle over the eland between Muslim and Jews over the Holy land. Jerusalem is not even mentioned in the Koran.

Eric let's put this another way for unbelievers. Yes, the Bible is correct. Yes, the Muslims have the Koran. What even agnostics need to know, or atheists for that matter, is that the Koran states when you live among the infidel be peaceful, but when you are in the majority and the infidel lives among you put them to the question of faith and if they will not convert put them to the sword. The Bible merely says if they will not believe shake the dust off of your feet and move on.

So tell me if you want the rise of an international Muslim movement? It won't end well for Christians, Jews, Agnostics, Atheists, Orthodox (Greek, Russian, Coptic, etc.), and it absolutely will not end well for Homosexuals, Transvestites, or any alternative lifestyle. The God of the Jews and Christians leaves the choice of salvation to us. Islam states when they have the upper hand, all must convert. In other words, for those educated in public schools, you have no choice. You convert or die or move to where the Muslims are in the minority, like here in the U.S..

I've had Muslim friends, and not all believe this way, but the extremists do. As with all extremist sects of religion, it's the zealots who wage war and ignore compassion and choice and grace. Why? Because for extremists it is a means of earthly power and not about God, or Allah. And in Islam, it is the extremists waging war against everyone who is not Muslim. And when they have destroyed the infidel, they will destroy those within the faith that don't see it their way.

So, whether you are left, or right, Christian, Jew, or Muslim, if you are free and operate by choice, and live in grace with your neighbor, this fight is for your survival. We believe as Christians that our God will decide all of this. They believe that they will with the blessing of the God, and therein resides the war.


It will be interesting to see how China uses them. Uyghurs are Muslims. China has them in slave labor camps. There is an interesting conflict between these two which seem to be partnered now and the West needs to exploit it.

You are a far more wise man than me, but don’t be fooled. All muslims think that way. They are encouraged by their book to lie about it. And that is the truth.
Another truth is that since the time of Christ the Jews have not attacked and killed anyone. However just as the Bible says they will be persecuted until the second coming. A good example is this Todor idiot claiming this is all the Jews fault because the muslims hate them and want to kill every single one of them. As the Koran says something to the effect “alla let every stone and tree exclaimed here hides a Jew so that we shall kill them all”.

I am not fooled. Like a great hand of poker you need to keep your mouth shut most of the game, finesse what you need, and play the hand you are dealt. Many of the Muslims here are also considered to be infidels. Their women don't cover their faces, they don't observe all religious holidays, and like nominal Christians the West has eroded a great bit of their imperative to force anyone to do anything. Now that doesn't mean we don't have radicalized Muslims here, we do, but if they look, dress, and act like you, they too are considered to be the enemy and the fact that they adopt our way of life is part of our great Satan status.

I have a Koran, but I only cite that which is necessary to prove a point. The Bible is my book of choice. For radical Muslims adopting anything western is a betrayal, which is one reason the Saudi Royal family is looked at askance by the radicals which even in Saudi Arabia see themselves as loyal to the caliphate, and not the rulers.

All of any group of people never think alike. Some just fear to speak a word of disagreement and in radical Islam you dare not.

(10-08-2023 08:02 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 07:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 07:05 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 06:26 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 01:24 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  When arguing against the existence of God, often times atheists will ask why God doesn't stop evil. Another argument they use is to say God is genocidal.

The following demonstrates the futility of those arguments.


The inhabitants of that land had been sacrificing their live babies via fire to false gods for over 400 years. As repeated warnings failed to turn the Canaanites from this evil practice, God used the Israelites to conquer the Canaanites and He gave the land to them, aka the Promised Land.

This was the land given to them after the Exodus from Egypt.

God created the heavens and the earth, It is His to do as He wills. He gave that land to the Israelites. It is theirs. Palestinians have no valid claim to it.

I support Israel's right to exist. However, these arguments aren't going to sway anyone in that region to the contrary. Their books tell them differently.

Understand Miko that we are saying it here because its going to convince the Muslims of anything. We are telling people here so they will know the Bible was right about everything it said about how we got to this point. And based on that it a pretty safe bet its going to be right about how this middle east thing plays out in the end with Israel.

That is the difference between the Koran and the Bible. The Koran offers no evidence at all on this that its actually from God, its actually written about 700 years after Jesus and all the key events like the fall of Israel. It does not even mention or talk about Israel as a nation, its returning as as a nation or any battle over the eland between Muslim and Jews over the Holy land. Jerusalem is not even mentioned in the Koran.

Eric let's put this another way for unbelievers. Yes, the Bible is correct. Yes, the Muslims have the Koran. What even agnostics need to know, or atheists for that matter, is that the Koran states when you live among the infidel be peaceful, but when you are in the majority and the infidel lives among you put them to the question of faith and if they will not convert put them to the sword. The Bible merely says if they will not believe shake the dust off of your feet and move on.

So tell me if you want the rise of an international Muslim movement? It won't end well for Christians, Jews, Agnostics, Atheists, Orthodox (Greek, Russian, Coptic, etc.), and it absolutely will not end well for Homosexuals, Transvestites, or any alternative lifestyle. The God of the Jews and Christians leaves the choice of salvation to us. Islam states when they have the upper hand, all must convert. In other words, for those educated in public schools, you have no choice. You convert or die or move to where the Muslims are in the minority, like here in the U.S..

I've had Muslim friends, and not all believe this way, but the extremists do. As with all extremist sects of religion, it's the zealots who wage war and ignore compassion and choice and grace. Why? Because for extremists it is a means of earthly power and not about God, or Allah. And in Islam, it is the extremists waging war against everyone who is not Muslim. And when they have destroyed the infidel, they will destroy those within the faith that don't see it their way.

So, whether you are left, or right, Christian, Jew, or Muslim, if you are free and operate by choice, and live in grace with your neighbor, this fight is for your survival. We believe as Christians that our God will decide all of this. They believe that they will with the blessing of the God, and therein resides the war.


It will be interesting to see how China uses them. Uyghurs are Muslims. China has them in slave labor camps. There is an interesting conflict between these two which seem to be partnered now and the West needs to exploit it.

You are a far more wise man than me, but don’t be fooled. All muslims think that way. They are encouraged by their book to lie about it. And that is the truth.
Another truth is that since the time of Christ the Jews have not attacked and killed anyone. However just as the Bible says they will be persecuted until the second coming. A good example is this Todor idiot claiming this is all the Jews fault because the muslims hate them and want to kill every single one of them. As the Koran says something to the effect “alla let every stone and tree exclaimed here hides a Jew so that we shall kill them all”.

You must have misread, because I’ve never said that.

(10-08-2023 08:02 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 07:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 07:05 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 06:26 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 01:24 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  When arguing against the existence of God, often times atheists will ask why God doesn't stop evil. Another argument they use is to say God is genocidal.

The following demonstrates the futility of those arguments.


The inhabitants of that land had been sacrificing their live babies via fire to false gods for over 400 years. As repeated warnings failed to turn the Canaanites from this evil practice, God used the Israelites to conquer the Canaanites and He gave the land to them, aka the Promised Land.

This was the land given to them after the Exodus from Egypt.

God created the heavens and the earth, It is His to do as He wills. He gave that land to the Israelites. It is theirs. Palestinians have no valid claim to it.

I support Israel's right to exist. However, these arguments aren't going to sway anyone in that region to the contrary. Their books tell them differently.

Understand Miko that we are saying it here because its going to convince the Muslims of anything. We are telling people here so they will know the Bible was right about everything it said about how we got to this point. And based on that it a pretty safe bet its going to be right about how this middle east thing plays out in the end with Israel.

That is the difference between the Koran and the Bible. The Koran offers no evidence at all on this that its actually from God, its actually written about 700 years after Jesus and all the key events like the fall of Israel. It does not even mention or talk about Israel as a nation, its returning as as a nation or any battle over the eland between Muslim and Jews over the Holy land. Jerusalem is not even mentioned in the Koran.

Eric let's put this another way for unbelievers. Yes, the Bible is correct. Yes, the Muslims have the Koran. What even agnostics need to know, or atheists for that matter, is that the Koran states when you live among the infidel be peaceful, but when you are in the majority and the infidel lives among you put them to the question of faith and if they will not convert put them to the sword. The Bible merely says if they will not believe shake the dust off of your feet and move on.

So tell me if you want the rise of an international Muslim movement? It won't end well for Christians, Jews, Agnostics, Atheists, Orthodox (Greek, Russian, Coptic, etc.), and it absolutely will not end well for Homosexuals, Transvestites, or any alternative lifestyle. The God of the Jews and Christians leaves the choice of salvation to us. Islam states when they have the upper hand, all must convert. In other words, for those educated in public schools, you have no choice. You convert or die or move to where the Muslims are in the minority, like here in the U.S..

I've had Muslim friends, and not all believe this way, but the extremists do. As with all extremist sects of religion, it's the zealots who wage war and ignore compassion and choice and grace. Why? Because for extremists it is a means of earthly power and not about God, or Allah. And in Islam, it is the extremists waging war against everyone who is not Muslim. And when they have destroyed the infidel, they will destroy those within the faith that don't see it their way.

So, whether you are left, or right, Christian, Jew, or Muslim, if you are free and operate by choice, and live in grace with your neighbor, this fight is for your survival. We believe as Christians that our God will decide all of this. They believe that they will with the blessing of the God, and therein resides the war.


It will be interesting to see how China uses them. Uyghurs are Muslims. China has them in slave labor camps. There is an interesting conflict between these two which seem to be partnered now and the West needs to exploit it.

You are a far more wise man than me, but don’t be fooled. All muslims think that way. They are encouraged by their book to lie about it. And that is the truth.
Another truth is that since the time of Christ the Jews have not attacked and killed anyone. However just as the Bible says they will be persecuted until the second coming. A good example is this Todor idiot claiming this is all the Jews fault because the muslims hate them and want to kill every single one of them. As the Koran says something to the effect “alla let every stone and tree exclaimed here hides a Jew so that we shall kill them all”.

You must have misread, because I’ve never said that.

(10-08-2023 08:18 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 08:02 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 07:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 07:05 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 06:26 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I support Israel's right to exist. However, these arguments aren't going to sway anyone in that region to the contrary. Their books tell them differently.

Understand Miko that we are saying it here because its going to convince the Muslims of anything. We are telling people here so they will know the Bible was right about everything it said about how we got to this point. And based on that it a pretty safe bet its going to be right about how this middle east thing plays out in the end with Israel.

That is the difference between the Koran and the Bible. The Koran offers no evidence at all on this that its actually from God, its actually written about 700 years after Jesus and all the key events like the fall of Israel. It does not even mention or talk about Israel as a nation, its returning as as a nation or any battle over the eland between Muslim and Jews over the Holy land. Jerusalem is not even mentioned in the Koran.

Eric let's put this another way for unbelievers. Yes, the Bible is correct. Yes, the Muslims have the Koran. What even agnostics need to know, or atheists for that matter, is that the Koran states when you live among the infidel be peaceful, but when you are in the majority and the infidel lives among you put them to the question of faith and if they will not convert put them to the sword. The Bible merely says if they will not believe shake the dust off of your feet and move on.

So tell me if you want the rise of an international Muslim movement? It won't end well for Christians, Jews, Agnostics, Atheists, Orthodox (Greek, Russian, Coptic, etc.), and it absolutely will not end well for Homosexuals, Transvestites, or any alternative lifestyle. The God of the Jews and Christians leaves the choice of salvation to us. Islam states when they have the upper hand, all must convert. In other words, for those educated in public schools, you have no choice. You convert or die or move to where the Muslims are in the minority, like here in the U.S..

I've had Muslim friends, and not all believe this way, but the extremists do. As with all extremist sects of religion, it's the zealots who wage war and ignore compassion and choice and grace. Why? Because for extremists it is a means of earthly power and not about God, or Allah. And in Islam, it is the extremists waging war against everyone who is not Muslim. And when they have destroyed the infidel, they will destroy those within the faith that don't see it their way.

So, whether you are left, or right, Christian, Jew, or Muslim, if you are free and operate by choice, and live in grace with your neighbor, this fight is for your survival. We believe as Christians that our God will decide all of this. They believe that they will with the blessing of the God, and therein resides the war.


It will be interesting to see how China uses them. Uyghurs are Muslims. China has them in slave labor camps. There is an interesting conflict between these two which seem to be partnered now and the West needs to exploit it.

You are a far more wise man than me, but don’t be fooled. All muslims think that way. They are encouraged by their book to lie about it. And that is the truth.
Another truth is that since the time of Christ the Jews have not attacked and killed anyone. However just as the Bible says they will be persecuted until the second coming. A good example is this Todor idiot claiming this is all the Jews fault because the muslims hate them and want to kill every single one of them. As the Koran says something to the effect “alla let every stone and tree exclaimed here hides a Jew so that we shall kill them all”.

You must have misread, because I’ve never said that.

You stated plainly they have never gotten along with their neighbors. You are backtracking and lying to escape what you said. The Israelis paid the inhabitants of that land for their land which they gladly sold. They allow muslims to live and worship in their country and even allow them to be represented in their government yet the muslims act as they have here. You are an anti semite and are now lying to hide it.

I live in a primarily Muslim neighborhood: I'd MUCH rather have Muslims as my neighbors than atheists. Atheists have little respect for anyone, Muslims are very self-controlled. I have no idea if they are 'hiding' their extremist beliefs, but I doubt it. There are Christians who don't take God's word seriously, why should Muslims be any different.

(10-08-2023 08:33 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 08:18 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 08:02 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 07:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 07:05 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Understand Miko that we are saying it here because its going to convince the Muslims of anything. We are telling people here so they will know the Bible was right about everything it said about how we got to this point. And based on that it a pretty safe bet its going to be right about how this middle east thing plays out in the end with Israel.

That is the difference between the Koran and the Bible. The Koran offers no evidence at all on this that its actually from God, its actually written about 700 years after Jesus and all the key events like the fall of Israel. It does not even mention or talk about Israel as a nation, its returning as as a nation or any battle over the eland between Muslim and Jews over the Holy land. Jerusalem is not even mentioned in the Koran.

Eric let's put this another way for unbelievers. Yes, the Bible is correct. Yes, the Muslims have the Koran. What even agnostics need to know, or atheists for that matter, is that the Koran states when you live among the infidel be peaceful, but when you are in the majority and the infidel lives among you put them to the question of faith and if they will not convert put them to the sword. The Bible merely says if they will not believe shake the dust off of your feet and move on.

So tell me if you want the rise of an international Muslim movement? It won't end well for Christians, Jews, Agnostics, Atheists, Orthodox (Greek, Russian, Coptic, etc.), and it absolutely will not end well for Homosexuals, Transvestites, or any alternative lifestyle. The God of the Jews and Christians leaves the choice of salvation to us. Islam states when they have the upper hand, all must convert. In other words, for those educated in public schools, you have no choice. You convert or die or move to where the Muslims are in the minority, like here in the U.S..

I've had Muslim friends, and not all believe this way, but the extremists do. As with all extremist sects of religion, it's the zealots who wage war and ignore compassion and choice and grace. Why? Because for extremists it is a means of earthly power and not about God, or Allah. And in Islam, it is the extremists waging war against everyone who is not Muslim. And when they have destroyed the infidel, they will destroy those within the faith that don't see it their way.

So, whether you are left, or right, Christian, Jew, or Muslim, if you are free and operate by choice, and live in grace with your neighbor, this fight is for your survival. We believe as Christians that our God will decide all of this. They believe that they will with the blessing of the God, and therein resides the war.


It will be interesting to see how China uses them. Uyghurs are Muslims. China has them in slave labor camps. There is an interesting conflict between these two which seem to be partnered now and the West needs to exploit it.

You are a far more wise man than me, but don’t be fooled. All muslims think that way. They are encouraged by their book to lie about it. And that is the truth.
Another truth is that since the time of Christ the Jews have not attacked and killed anyone. However just as the Bible says they will be persecuted until the second coming. A good example is this Todor idiot claiming this is all the Jews fault because the muslims hate them and want to kill every single one of them. As the Koran says something to the effect “alla let every stone and tree exclaimed here hides a Jew so that we shall kill them all”.

You must have misread, because I’ve never said that.

You stated plainly they have never gotten along with their neighbors. You are backtracking and lying to escape what you said. The Israelis paid the inhabitants of that land for their land which they gladly sold. They allow muslims to live and worship in their country and even allow them to be represented in their government yet the muslims act as they have here. You are an anti semite and are now lying to hide it.

The ADL says Jews have been persecuted everywhere they have lived. Is the ADL wrong, or lying?

(10-08-2023 08:44 PM)Todor Wrote:  The ADL says Jews have been persecuted everywhere they have lived. Is the ADL wrong, or lying?

The persecution of Jews has been a major event in Jewish history, prompting shifting waves of refugees and the formation of diaspora communities. As early as 605 BCE, Jews who lived in the Neo-Babylonian Empire were persecuted and deported. Antisemitism was also practiced by the governments of many different empires (Roman empire) and the adherents of many different religions (Christianity), and it was also widespread in many different regions of the world (Middle East and Islamic).

Jews were commonly used as scapegoats for tragedies and disasters such as in the Black Death Persecutions, the 1066 Granada Massacre, the Massacre of 1391 in Spain, the many Pogroms in the Russian Empire, and the tenets of Nazism prior to and during World War II, which led to The Holocaust and the murder of six million Jews.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Jews

(10-08-2023 09:16 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 08:33 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  You stated plainly they have never gotten along with their neighbors. You are backtracking and lying to escape what you said. The Israelis paid the inhabitants of that land for their land which they gladly sold. They allow muslims to live and worship in their country and even allow them to be represented in their government yet the muslims act as they have here. You are an anti semite and are now lying to hide it.

For what it's worth, my paternal grandmother is Palestinian and was forcibly driven out of Haifa in 1948. At age 15, she became a refugee in Beirut where she met my grandfather. My grandmother passed away in 2004; her only regret was never being able to return home.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Pales...and_flight

Her sister (my grandaunt) is still alive and lives in the US now. She was only 3 but also remembers escaping to Lebanon. She eventually became a National Geographic photographer and married an American soldier she met in Vietnam.

I don't say this for sympathy or anything, but Palestinians were forcibly expelled. It is what it is, but let's not change history either. Saturday's event was another sad and unfortunate event in a long chain of them. I hope Israelis and Palestinians can find peace one day.

Both sides were forcibly expelled. There was a lot of violence from 1920-1948 and the Palestinians were expelled when the Arab states tried to exterminate the Jews in 1948.

(10-08-2023 12:38 PM)HCJag Wrote:  I've never done much digging into the founding of Israel after the war, but it seems like they could have settled on a better location. Somewhere less inhabited maybe.

After 6 million Jews were slaughtered by Hitler the Americans and British decided it was time to give the Jews a country. The British Empire was largely in control of the Middle East and was responsible for the borders of the countries in the area today. It is remarkable that Israel a young country at the time was able to fend off several neighboring countries in a Week long war and has been sustained ever since.

The Jews were just returning home. There is no other place for them. It is the Covenant that God promised them.

(10-08-2023 09:16 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(10-08-2023 08:33 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  You stated plainly they have never gotten along with their neighbors. You are backtracking and lying to escape what you said. The Israelis paid the inhabitants of that land for their land which they gladly sold. They allow muslims to live and worship in their country and even allow them to be represented in their government yet the muslims act as they have here. You are an anti semite and are now lying to hide it.

For what it's worth, my paternal grandmother is Palestinian and was forcibly driven out of Haifa in 1948. At age 15, she became a refugee in Beirut where she met my grandfather. My grandmother passed away in 2004; her only regret was never being able to return home.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Pales...and_flight

Her sister (my grandaunt) is still alive and lives in the US now. She was only 3 but also remembers escaping to Lebanon. She eventually became a National Geographic photographer and married an American soldier she met in Vietnam.

I don't say this for sympathy or anything, but Palestinians were forcibly expelled. It is what it is, but let's not change history either. Saturday's event was another sad and unfortunate event in a long chain of them. I hope Israelis and Palestinians can find peace one day.

Great post. I truly believe for your grandmother and any of her family that got out of that situation was a blessing. Sometimes it’s better to never look back.

The reality of the current situation in Israel leaves little room if any for compromise.

The Extremists backed by indoctrination grounded in the Muslim religion gives those an avenue for justified violence. This has been going on since the Seventh Century when their Prophet Mohammed slaughtered nearby clans for not converting to his version of religion. It hasn’t stopped to this day.

Unless something changes in their indoctrination to wholesale change their belief system then this will be the result. Insanity - continue to do the same thing and expect a different result.

One last point that few in America understand especially those in the Liberal left think tank but known throughout Africa, Middle East and Asia is Might Makes Right.

It’s what 90% of the world understands. Anything else is a sign of weakness.

it's starting to get spicy ... figgled it was time for a bump...

If Israel has a Dolphin-class submarine anywhere east of Suez, then they have the ability to nuke Teheran.

They may be able to do it anyway with an air strike, but that would be a more difficult mission. It would require Saudi cooperation, but my understanding is that they have that promised.

bump

(11-01-2023 08:53 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  bump

Are the reactors in Iran above ground? Most are for a variety of reasons. If it is an above ground facility, there may not be a need for nukes. Destroy the facility with conventional weapons and the leaks will do the job. The problem with that is that it would create fallout for just about everyone on the wind drifts from there and it would make cleanup and containment a suicide job for whoever undertook the effort (see Chernobyl responders).

I would think if a nuke were ever used it will be a neutron weapon with a half-life of a few days. The damage is done, but without a deadly fallout drift.

Now the problem with that is if any nuke is used those who do not possess neutron weapons will use the old plutonium and uranium devices which have very nasty, long lived, fallout.

The best outcome would prove difficult to achieve without many ground casualties.

Therefore, I doubt Israel would use a nuke first, unless it was a last resort effort. The nation has been one of the largest purchasers of lead over the last decade as they worked diligently to produce effective fallout shelters. A fact that should make the rest of us a bit nervous.

(11-01-2023 09:22 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-01-2023 08:53 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  bump

Are the reactors in Iran above ground? Most are for a variety of reasons. If it is an above ground facility, there may not be a need for nukes. Destroy the facility with conventional weapons and the leaks will do the job. The problem with that is that it would create fallout for just about everyone on the wind drifts from there and it would make cleanup and containment a suicide job for whoever undertook the effort (see Chernobyl responders).

I would think if a nuke were ever used it will be a neutron weapon with a half-life of a few days. The damage is done, but without a deadly fallout drift.

Now the problem with that is if any nuke is used those who do not possess neutron weapons will use the old plutonium and uranium devices which have very nasty, long lived, fallout.

The best outcome would prove difficult to achieve without many ground casualties.

Therefore, I doubt Israel would use a nuke first, unless it was a last resort effort. The nation has been one of the largest purchasers of lead over the last decade as they worked diligently to produce effective fallout shelters. A fact that should make the rest of us a bit nervous.

agreed ... my posit was never intended as 'first response' ... however, it wouldn't surprise me if it comes to such as this tinder box is now gaining on inferno status...

I posted this thread the day Israel was invaded ... it was always about Iran in my mind...

this one's gonna achieve another kind of fugly before it's over ... to that, I am certain...

#fight2theFinish