I wasn't super-familiar w/ Temple back when they were in the MAC, but I like seeing them put up losing seasons every year anyways.

Temple football program had some success in the MAC. They chased the money and the program has been mediocre at best in AAC.

thank you very much Hammer,
as much as I stick up for UMass and had their back [WOW].
My daughter went to BGSU, going to BGSU vs TexA&M next yr

i still follow & watch MAC games
remind everybody with short memories
Temple thrived in AAC in the beginning,
can't keep coaches, disintrested fans, P2 squeezing them out
sounds like a MAC school, Temple will get back on it's feet

Quote:Those teams are not very good, their conference is horrible and they’re beating awful teams. Sam Houston State, 0-7 and transitioning from FCS, is pathetic and should’ve beaten Liberty at Liberty, same with 2-6 MTSU; and Jax State had to go to OT to beat Sam Houston St.

My counter to that:

Liberty: They beat BGSU, granted doing so via 5 turnovers given to them / taken by them. They absolutely destroyed Buffalo. It's true they had a close game against no-win Sam Houston St. But @BYU only beat Sam Houston St by 14, and Air Force only beat them by 10. And Jax-St didn't beat them by much either. They can be competitive.

Jax-St: They whipped EMU 21-0. And they just beat a still-winning-team, W Kentucky.

So the MAC is 0-3 against them, while definitely not giving them our 3 worst teams. However, that said -- yes, the teams' schedules in said conference are very weak. And it's not like they played our 3 best for a great comparison. Hence, I give the edge to the MAC, overall.

Quote:Temple football program had some success in the MAC. They chased the money and the program has been mediocre at best in AAC.

They did. Not a ton of it, but yeah. It did help them improve and get on a better track. But really not that successful if/when you also include the years before officially joining but playing a good amt of MAC teams, and any MAC play after.

2004 (not in MAC yet): Got absolutely destroyed by @Toledo and BGSU.
2005 (not in MAC yet): Got absolutely destroyed again by Toledo and @BGSU. They did have a close loss to a 7-4 WMU team, though.
2006 (not in MAC yet): Played 6 MAC teams. Went 1-5, beating a 4W BGSU team.
2007: Went 4-4 in the MAC.
2008: Went 4-4 in the MAC.
2009: Went 7-1 in the MAC. Their stellar year.
2010: Went 5-3 in the MAC.
2011: Went 5-3 in the MAC (and beat Wyoming in bowl).

2015: Got whipped by Toledo in a bowl.
2018: Lost to Buffalo at home by a TD.
2019: Lost to @Buffalo by 16
2021: Whipped @Akron
2023: Beat Akron in a barn-burner

(10-22-2023 06:18 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:Those teams are not very good, their conference is horrible and they’re beating awful teams. Sam Houston State, 0-7 and transitioning from FCS, is pathetic and should’ve beaten Liberty at Liberty, same with 2-6 MTSU; and Jax State had to go to OT to beat Sam Houston St.

My counter to that:

Liberty: They beat BGSU, granted doing so via 5 turnovers given to them / taken by them. They absolutely destroyed Buffalo. It's true they had a close game against no-win Sam Houston St. But @BYU only beat Sam Houston St by 14, and Air Force only beat them by 10. And Jax-St didn't beat them by much either. They can be competitive.

Jax-St: They whipped EMU 21-0. And they just beat a still-winning-team, W Kentucky.

So the MAC is 0-3 against them, while definitely not giving them our 3 worst teams. However, that said -- yes, the teams' schedules in said conference are very weak. And it's not like they played our 3 best for a great comparison. Hence, I give the edge to the MAC, overall.

Liberty’s strength of schedule is 132 out of 133 with their remaining schedule’s SOS at 129 of 133, so they’ve had an absolute cakewalk and will continue through the end of the regular season. And Jax St. is right behind them at 125. Also, on the topic of over rated teams with weak schedules, Air Force is right there at 130.

https://masseyratings.com/cf/fbs/ratings

(10-22-2023 07:05 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(10-22-2023 06:18 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:Those teams are not very good, their conference is horrible and they’re beating awful teams. Sam Houston State, 0-7 and transitioning from FCS, is pathetic and should’ve beaten Liberty at Liberty, same with 2-6 MTSU; and Jax State had to go to OT to beat Sam Houston St.

My counter to that:

Liberty: They beat BGSU, granted doing so via 5 turnovers given to them / taken by them. They absolutely destroyed Buffalo. It's true they had a close game against no-win Sam Houston St. But @BYU only beat Sam Houston St by 14, and Air Force only beat them by 10. And Jax-St didn't beat them by much either. They can be competitive.

Jax-St: They whipped EMU 21-0. And they just beat a still-winning-team, W Kentucky.

So the MAC is 0-3 against them, while definitely not giving them our 3 worst teams. However, that said -- yes, the teams' schedules in said conference are very weak. And it's not like they played our 3 best for a great comparison. Hence, I give the edge to the MAC, overall.

Liberty’s strength of schedule is 132 out of 133 with their remaining schedule’s SOS at 129 of 133, so they’ve had an absolute cakewalk and will continue through the end of the regular season. And Jax St. is right behind them at 125. Also, on the topic of over rated teams with weak schedules, Air Force is right there at 130.

https://masseyratings.com/cf/fbs/ratings

AFA also has blistered their schedule. I called AF and Liberty before the season. It's not new thing that all the Sudden Liberty would be 7-0 and favored in every game. They were favored in all 12 to start. AFA may not be a top 20 team, but they're certainly top 30 and their play on the field proves it. Wyoming, Boise, SJSU in the manner they did... quality wins.

(10-22-2023 07:10 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-22-2023 07:05 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(10-22-2023 06:18 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:Those teams are not very good, their conference is horrible and they’re beating awful teams. Sam Houston State, 0-7 and transitioning from FCS, is pathetic and should’ve beaten Liberty at Liberty, same with 2-6 MTSU; and Jax State had to go to OT to beat Sam Houston St.

My counter to that:

Liberty: They beat BGSU, granted doing so via 5 turnovers given to them / taken by them. They absolutely destroyed Buffalo. It's true they had a close game against no-win Sam Houston St. But @BYU only beat Sam Houston St by 14, and Air Force only beat them by 10. And Jax-St didn't beat them by much either. They can be competitive.

Jax-St: They whipped EMU 21-0. And they just beat a still-winning-team, W Kentucky.

So the MAC is 0-3 against them, while definitely not giving them our 3 worst teams. However, that said -- yes, the teams' schedules in said conference are very weak. And it's not like they played our 3 best for a great comparison. Hence, I give the edge to the MAC, overall.

Liberty’s strength of schedule is 132 out of 133 with their remaining schedule’s SOS at 129 of 133, so they’ve had an absolute cakewalk and will continue through the end of the regular season. And Jax St. is right behind them at 125. Also, on the topic of over rated teams with weak schedules, Air Force is right there at 130.

https://masseyratings.com/cf/fbs/ratings

AFA also has blistered their schedule. I called AF and Liberty before the season. It's not new thing that all the Sudden Liberty would be 7-0 and favored in every game. They were favored in all 12 to start. AFA may not be a top 20 team, but they're certainly top 30 and their play on the field proves it. Wyoming, Boise, SJSU in the manner they did... quality wins.

Liberty's same QB, Kalter as in the Boca Raton Bowl.