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The ACC's 17-team football schedule model for the next 7 years will be unveiled on @accnetwork.

https://x.com/accfootball/status/1717921...OBPKLg0WDw

The B12 media deal expires in 2030.

(10-27-2023 12:08 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  The B12 media deal expires in 2030.

I was wondering why 2030 and not...

...2032 (the last year the newbies get partial shares) or
...2036 (end of ACC contract), or even
...2026 (start of new CFP TV deal after the 2024 CFP-12 extension runs out).

Gotta make room in the schedule for Cincinnati, UCF, TCU, Arizona State, and whoever gets the last golden ticket...


Cue Big XII fan invasion in 3... 2... 1...

That was fast. They likely had an idea how the football schedule was going to work when NCSU flipped their vote.

Note the language. They're talking about a "model" rather than a schedule. Is that because they're decided who each team will play each year but can't yet announce dates for future football games or is it only because they haven't gotten further than deciding upon protected rivalries and a process for arranging schedules rather than the actual games that will be played. I hope they will at least announce who each ACC team will be playing in 2024.

(10-27-2023 01:38 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Note the language. They're talking about a "model" rather than a schedule. Is that because they're decided who each team will play each year but can't yet announce dates for future football games or is it only because they haven't gotten further than deciding upon protected rivalries and a process for arranging schedules rather than the actual games that will be played. I hope they will at least announce who each ACC team will be playing in 2024.

The teams are good for now, but dates are all unknown. Miami and Pitt playing in pro stadiums means they must wait every year to get Miami and Pitt NFL schedule before ACC can release a schedule.

(10-27-2023 01:59 PM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:38 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Note the language. They're talking about a "model" rather than a schedule. Is that because they're decided who each team will play each year but can't yet announce dates for future football games or is it only because they haven't gotten further than deciding upon protected rivalries and a process for arranging schedules rather than the actual games that will be played. I hope they will at least announce who each ACC team will be playing in 2024.

The teams are good for now, but dates are all unknown. Miami and Pitt playing in pro stadiums means they must wait every year to get Miami and Pitt NFL schedule before ACC can release a schedule.

There's an additional wrinkle: with an odd number of ACC schools playing football, that means that each week there must be an odd number of teams on some combination of bye or OOC games - EVERY week. Cupcake games will need to be spread out more (like the SEC already does).

Rivalry week will need to change -- can't have exactly 4 OOC games unless someone takes a bye in the final week, which stinks!
Could we get the Backyard Brawl to end the season...?

(10-27-2023 02:12 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:59 PM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:38 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Note the language. They're talking about a "model" rather than a schedule. Is that because they're decided who each team will play each year but can't yet announce dates for future football games or is it only because they haven't gotten further than deciding upon protected rivalries and a process for arranging schedules rather than the actual games that will be played. I hope they will at least announce who each ACC team will be playing in 2024.

The teams are good for now, but dates are all unknown. Miami and Pitt playing in pro stadiums means they must wait every year to get Miami and Pitt NFL schedule before ACC can release a schedule.

There's an additional wrinkle: with an odd number of ACC schools playing football, that means that each week there must be an odd number of teams on some combination of bye or OOC games - EVERY week. Cupcake games will need to be spread out more (like the SEC already does).

Rivalry week will need to change -- can't have exactly 4 OOC games unless someone takes a bye in the final week, which stinks!
Could we get the Backyard Brawl to end the season...?

Yeah, I wouldn't want to be the scheduler!

(10-27-2023 02:12 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:59 PM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:38 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Note the language. They're talking about a "model" rather than a schedule. Is that because they're decided who each team will play each year but can't yet announce dates for future football games or is it only because they haven't gotten further than deciding upon protected rivalries and a process for arranging schedules rather than the actual games that will be played. I hope they will at least announce who each ACC team will be playing in 2024.

The teams are good for now, but dates are all unknown. Miami and Pitt playing in pro stadiums means they must wait every year to get Miami and Pitt NFL schedule before ACC can release a schedule.

There's an additional wrinkle: with an odd number of ACC schools playing football, that means that each week there must be an odd number of teams on some combination of bye or OOC games - EVERY week. Cupcake games will need to be spread out more (like the SEC already does).

Rivalry week will need to change -- can't have exactly 4 OOC games unless someone takes a bye in the final week, which stinks!
Could we get the Backyard Brawl to end the season...?

Also factor in the 5 Notre Dame games a year, and the fact that Notre Dame/Stanford will not be a conference game. Just have ND and Stanford play at the end of year as a rivalry game and that could fix a lot.

(10-27-2023 01:59 PM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:38 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Note the language. They're talking about a "model" rather than a schedule. Is that because they're decided who each team will play each year but can't yet announce dates for future football games or is it only because they haven't gotten further than deciding upon protected rivalries and a process for arranging schedules rather than the actual games that will be played. I hope they will at least announce who each ACC team will be playing in 2024.

The teams are good for now, but dates are all unknown. Miami and Pitt playing in pro stadiums means they must wait every year to get Miami and Pitt NFL schedule before ACC can release a schedule.

Not correct

(10-27-2023 06:49 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:59 PM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:38 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Note the language. They're talking about a "model" rather than a schedule. Is that because they're decided who each team will play each year but can't yet announce dates for future football games or is it only because they haven't gotten further than deciding upon protected rivalries and a process for arranging schedules rather than the actual games that will be played. I hope they will at least announce who each ACC team will be playing in 2024.

The teams are good for now, but dates are all unknown. Miami and Pitt playing in pro stadiums means they must wait every year to get Miami and Pitt NFL schedule before ACC can release a schedule.

Not correct

as the nfl schedule doesn't come out until april or may

(10-27-2023 01:59 PM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:38 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Note the language. They're talking about a "model" rather than a schedule. Is that because they're decided who each team will play each year but can't yet announce dates for future football games or is it only because they haven't gotten further than deciding upon protected rivalries and a process for arranging schedules rather than the actual games that will be played. I hope they will at least announce who each ACC team will be playing in 2024.

The teams are good for now, but dates are all unknown. Miami and Pitt playing in pro stadiums means they must wait every year to get Miami and Pitt NFL schedule before ACC can release a schedule.

Not sure about Miami, but Pitt and Steelers play home games on back to back days. I do not believe there are any restrictions.

The ACC has 7 games with Army that might drop off. And Stanford and Cal might need to have games with Oregon State and Washington State as part of a settlement. Plus they will need 14 more game over the next 7 years because of playing just 8 league games. Some schools will use week zero as FSU and GT are doing next year and Cal and Stanford are likely to use the Hawaii exemption at least once in the next 7 years. FSU and Clemson inserting a dog OOC game the week before their games with Florida and SC is also a complication.

A number of years will have room for more than one week off. For the east coast school traveling west they will probably want a week off after that trip. I don't think anyone with a Big 10 ooc game can feel certain about those games going forward.

(10-27-2023 04:18 PM)copycat Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:12 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:59 PM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:38 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Note the language. They're talking about a "model" rather than a schedule. Is that because they're decided who each team will play each year but can't yet announce dates for future football games or is it only because they haven't gotten further than deciding upon protected rivalries and a process for arranging schedules rather than the actual games that will be played. I hope they will at least announce who each ACC team will be playing in 2024.

The teams are good for now, but dates are all unknown. Miami and Pitt playing in pro stadiums means they must wait every year to get Miami and Pitt NFL schedule before ACC can release a schedule.

There's an additional wrinkle: with an odd number of ACC schools playing football, that means that each week there must be an odd number of teams on some combination of bye or OOC games - EVERY week. Cupcake games will need to be spread out more (like the SEC already does).

Rivalry week will need to change -- can't have exactly 4 OOC games unless someone takes a bye in the final week, which stinks!
Could we get the Backyard Brawl to end the season...?

Also factor in the 5 Notre Dame games a year, and the fact that Notre Dame/Stanford will not be a conference game. Just have ND and Stanford play at the end of year as a rivalry game and that could fix a lot.

Except it can be 4, 5, or 6 games.

After some playing around I am guessing this for next year:

Date FSU Clemson Miami

8/24 GT in Ire. Off Off

8/31 BC at Georgia at Florida

9/7 at SMU App State FAMU

9/14 Memphis at Syracuse Ball State

9/21 Open California at USF

9/28 at Stanford at VT Open

10/5 Open Duke at California

10/12 UVa Open Duke

10/19 Louisville at Stanford at BC

10/26 at Miami Open FSU

11/2 Open at Pitt at Syracuse

11/9 at ND NC State Open

11/16 UNC GT at SMU

11/23 Char So. Citadel VT

11/30 Florida S. Carolina Pitt

(10-27-2023 04:18 PM)copycat Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:12 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:59 PM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:38 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Note the language. They're talking about a "model" rather than a schedule. Is that because they're decided who each team will play each year but can't yet announce dates for future football games or is it only because they haven't gotten further than deciding upon protected rivalries and a process for arranging schedules rather than the actual games that will be played. I hope they will at least announce who each ACC team will be playing in 2024.

The teams are good for now, but dates are all unknown. Miami and Pitt playing in pro stadiums means they must wait every year to get Miami and Pitt NFL schedule before ACC can release a schedule.

There's an additional wrinkle: with an odd number of ACC schools playing football, that means that each week there must be an odd number of teams on some combination of bye or OOC games - EVERY week. Cupcake games will need to be spread out more (like the SEC already does).

Rivalry week will need to change -- can't have exactly 4 OOC games unless someone takes a bye in the final week, which stinks!
Could we get the Backyard Brawl to end the season...?

Also factor in the 5 Notre Dame games a year, and the fact that Notre Dame/Stanford will not be a conference game. Just have ND and Stanford play at the end of year as a rivalry game and that could fix a lot.

Can't do that every other year as the last ND game then is at USC.

I don't think that series will go away or change, despite the noise from some Big Ten fans on Twitter.

We shall see.

Then, there is the fact that after next year, the ND/Stanford annual series ends.

Will it be renewed?

I guess this is what they will do:

During that seven year span, each current ACC team will play Cal/Stanford/SMU three times, meaning three trips to Northern Cal. Every ACC team will play every other ACC team *at least* twice during that seven year span and that includes ND.

(10-28-2023 07:11 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 04:18 PM)copycat Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:12 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:59 PM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:38 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Note the language. They're talking about a "model" rather than a schedule. Is that because they're decided who each team will play each year but can't yet announce dates for future football games or is it only because they haven't gotten further than deciding upon protected rivalries and a process for arranging schedules rather than the actual games that will be played. I hope they will at least announce who each ACC team will be playing in 2024.

The teams are good for now, but dates are all unknown. Miami and Pitt playing in pro stadiums means they must wait every year to get Miami and Pitt NFL schedule before ACC can release a schedule.

There's an additional wrinkle: with an odd number of ACC schools playing football, that means that each week there must be an odd number of teams on some combination of bye or OOC games - EVERY week. Cupcake games will need to be spread out more (like the SEC already does).

Rivalry week will need to change -- can't have exactly 4 OOC games unless someone takes a bye in the final week, which stinks!
Could we get the Backyard Brawl to end the season...?

Also factor in the 5 Notre Dame games a year, and the fact that Notre Dame/Stanford will not be a conference game. Just have ND and Stanford play at the end of year as a rivalry game and that could fix a lot.

Can't do that every other year as the last ND game then is at USC.

I don't think that series will go away or change, despite the noise from some Big Ten fans on Twitter.

We shall see.

Then, there is the fact that after next year, the ND/Stanford annual series ends.

Will it be renewed?

Ah I did not know that scheduling thing with USC. I could see USC being made to play UCLA at the end of the year by the Big Ten, but we will see how that goes.

ND/Stanford will be renewed, I will make my prediction on it!

Between now and 2030 the 5 ACC schools with possible game continuity problems have the following OOC openings:

UNC - 28-1, 29-3, 30-3
Duke - 24 -1, 25-1, 26-1, 27-3, 28-2, 29-1, 30-2
UVa - 25-2, 26-2, 27-2, 28-1, 29-3, 30-3

NC State - 27-2, 29-2, 30-2
WF - 24-1, 25-2, 26-3, 27-1, 28-1, 29-1. 30-2

So if these parties do not play in a particular year it's because one of them does not want to.

Past this set of schools you only have FSU and Miami, Syracuse and BC and Pitt, Clemson and GT and NC State.

I can see Syracuse, Pitt, and BC going forward in years where it is OOC.

Here is there length of time a particular series has been played without break to the current year with allowing only for Polio, Measles, Covid, and WWII Blackouts.

123 Years - UNC and UVa
114 Years - Clemson and SC
113 Years - NC State and WF
104 Years - NC State and UNC
103 Years - Cal and Stanford
100 Years - UNC and Duke
98 Years - GT and UGa
68 Years - Pitt and Syracuse
65 Years - FSU and Florida
57 Years - WF and Duke
54 Years - FSU and Miami
52 Years - VT and UVa, Clemson and NC State

Several breaks that show up here are due to the ACC playing an unbalanced schedule for all of the 1950's and through the end of the 1960's. Going to a round robin impacted NC State and Clemson, UVa and VT (even though VT was out).