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(12-08-2023 09:38 PM)WMU2013 Wrote:  How many schools in the MAC have more championships in football than WMU?

Do you just spew crap without thinking or knowing the answer?

Research it and then realize how stupid you sound.

I'll help you get started.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mi..._champions

(12-08-2023 09:53 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(12-08-2023 09:38 PM)WMU2013 Wrote:  How many schools in the MAC have more championships in football than WMU?

Do you just spew crap without thinking or knowing the answer?

Research it and then realize how stupid you sound.

I'll help you get started.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mi..._champions

Thanks for proving my point. MANY HAVE.

You were asked how many schools have an institutional advantage over WMU. You did not answer that question. Instead you went to MAC football championships.

Apples and oranges. Why be obtuse about it?

If there is some point you wish to make, do it.

(12-09-2023 10:40 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  You were asked how many schools have an institutional advantage over WMU. You did not answer that question. Instead you went to MAC football championships.

Apples and oranges. Why be obtuse about it?

If there is some point you wish to make, do it.

I made my point, you're the one getting upset that I did it seems. I asked to substitute Lester for Fleck, WMU for Minnesota and explain why it should have been different. I was asked a question in return, so maybe I should get an answer to my question before you two start demanding answers to yours?

Did anyone explain to me why it should be different? I asked that first sir.

(12-08-2023 10:50 AM)Liam9903 Wrote:  The bitterness directed at the most successful coach in WMU history will never fail to baffle me.

PJ Fleck was a great coach for WMU. However, when he left it felt like he wanted much more than to be stuck in Minnesota with mediocre results every season. I think if he had stayed at WMU then a better B10 school would have came calling, like Michigan State. Then he can recruit better than at Minnesota, maybe have a miracle season and be scooped up by some SEC school ala Saban. Before anyone says anything, no I don't see Fleck as a Saban. But he would have gotten the even larger payday from someone like Texas AM or Auburn. That's all.

(12-09-2023 10:56 AM)WMU2013 Wrote:  

(12-09-2023 10:40 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  You were asked how many schools have an institutional advantage over WMU. You did not answer that question. Instead you went to MAC football championships.

Apples and oranges. Why be obtuse about it?

If there is some point you wish to make, do it.

I made my point, you're the one getting upset that I did it seems. I asked to substitute Lester for Fleck, WMU for Minnesota and explain why it should have been different. I was asked a question in return, so maybe I should get an answer to my question before you two start demanding answers to yours?

Did anyone explain to me why it should be different? I asked that first sir.

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances

Minnesota's budget is 10th in the Big Ten.

Western Michigan's is 2nd in the MAC.

Lester underachieved, get over it. Your pissy little sniveling on this board trying to create a narrative that Taylor has already failed and Lester just needed more time is transparent and stupid.

(12-09-2023 11:22 AM)WesternDave Wrote:  

(12-08-2023 10:50 AM)Liam9903 Wrote:  The bitterness directed at the most successful coach in WMU history will never fail to baffle me.

PJ Fleck was a great coach for WMU. However, when he left it felt like he wanted much more than to be stuck in Minnesota with mediocre results every season. I think if he had stayed at WMU then a better B10 school would have came calling, like Michigan State. Then he can recruit better than at Minnesota, maybe have a miracle season and be scooped up by some SEC school ala Saban. Before anyone says anything, no I don't see Fleck as a Saban. But he would have gotten the even larger payday from someone like Texas AM or Auburn. That's all.

Michigan State is not better than Minnesota. Sorry.

(12-09-2023 12:00 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(12-09-2023 10:56 AM)WMU2013 Wrote:  

(12-09-2023 10:40 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  You were asked how many schools have an institutional advantage over WMU. You did not answer that question. Instead you went to MAC football championships.

Apples and oranges. Why be obtuse about it?

If there is some point you wish to make, do it.

I made my point, you're the one getting upset that I did it seems. I asked to substitute Lester for Fleck, WMU for Minnesota and explain why it should have been different. I was asked a question in return, so maybe I should get an answer to my question before you two start demanding answers to yours?

Did anyone explain to me why it should be different? I asked that first sir.

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances

Minnesota's budget is 10th in the Big Ten.

Western Michigan's is 2nd in the MAC.

Lester underachieved, get over it. Your pissy little sniveling on this board trying to create a narrative that Taylor has already failed and Lester just needed more time is transparent and stupid.

Lester was a mistake from the get go. You don't make a hire like that after the season we had under PJ/Cotton Bowl etc... You keep pushing forward. Lester is a great WMU alum... great person. But he was literally a wind out of the sails hire.

Kathy was on fumes when she pulled that hire. And WMU lost all momentum.

(12-09-2023 12:00 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(12-09-2023 10:56 AM)WMU2013 Wrote:  

(12-09-2023 10:40 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  You were asked how many schools have an institutional advantage over WMU. You did not answer that question. Instead you went to MAC football championships.

Apples and oranges. Why be obtuse about it?

If there is some point you wish to make, do it.

I made my point, you're the one getting upset that I did it seems. I asked to substitute Lester for Fleck, WMU for Minnesota and explain why it should have been different. I was asked a question in return, so maybe I should get an answer to my question before you two start demanding answers to yours?

Did anyone explain to me why it should be different? I asked that first sir.

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances

Minnesota's budget is 10th in the Big Ten.

Western Michigan's is 2nd in the MAC.

Lester underachieved, get over it. Your pissy little sniveling on this board trying to create a narrative that Taylor has already failed and Lester just needed more time is transparent and stupid.

Finally someone says it. Thank you!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/b...7a35&ei=20

I think if the NCAA was smart. They would put a cap on monies allowed to go to players. Teams can choose to spend it all on one player or spread it out... but EVERY D1 school is held to the same cap. And the cap has to represent a competitive nature between all included universities.

All NIL deals would need to be sanctioned through the university. University would be responsible for managing the funds provided for NIL from outside sources.

(12-09-2023 12:00 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(12-09-2023 10:56 AM)WMU2013 Wrote:  

(12-09-2023 10:40 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  You were asked how many schools have an institutional advantage over WMU. You did not answer that question. Instead you went to MAC football championships.

Apples and oranges. Why be obtuse about it?

If there is some point you wish to make, do it.

I made my point, you're the one getting upset that I did it seems. I asked to substitute Lester for Fleck, WMU for Minnesota and explain why it should have been different. I was asked a question in return, so maybe I should get an answer to my question before you two start demanding answers to yours?

Did anyone explain to me why it should be different? I asked that first sir.

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances

Minnesota's budget is 10th in the Big Ten.

Western Michigan's is 2nd in the MAC.

Lester underachieved, get over it. Your pissy little sniveling on this board trying to create a narrative that Taylor has already failed and Lester just needed more time is transparent and stupid.

So Fleck's success here was obviously due to budget then huh? Each MAC program rolls their budgets differently, They're not comparable.

However, if that's your rationale, why is Taylor struggling going into his second year? His recruiting and losing talent is very obvious, there's no excuses for a 1-11 team out recruiting Taylor like Kent State is doing right now is there, since he has "such the budget". Taylor CANT recruit.

To that note, this automatic "the coach should be bad his first year" is a lame expectation. One only has to look at Kill at NMSU and at Braun at Northwestern as examples.

(12-09-2023 03:46 PM)WMU2013 Wrote:  

(12-09-2023 12:00 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(12-09-2023 10:56 AM)WMU2013 Wrote:  

(12-09-2023 10:40 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  You were asked how many schools have an institutional advantage over WMU. You did not answer that question. Instead you went to MAC football championships.

Apples and oranges. Why be obtuse about it?

If there is some point you wish to make, do it.

I made my point, you're the one getting upset that I did it seems. I asked to substitute Lester for Fleck, WMU for Minnesota and explain why it should have been different. I was asked a question in return, so maybe I should get an answer to my question before you two start demanding answers to yours?

Did anyone explain to me why it should be different? I asked that first sir.

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances

Minnesota's budget is 10th in the Big Ten.

Western Michigan's is 2nd in the MAC.

Lester underachieved, get over it. Your pissy little sniveling on this board trying to create a narrative that Taylor has already failed and Lester just needed more time is transparent and stupid.

So Fleck's success here was obviously due to budget then huh? Each MAC program rolls their budgets differently, They're not comparable.

However, if that's your rationale, why is Taylor struggling going into his second year? His recruiting and losing talent is very obvious, there's no excuses for a 1-11 team out recruiting Taylor like Kent State is doing right now is there, since he has "such the budget". Taylor CANT recruit.

To that note, this automatic "the coach should be bad his first year" is a lame expectation. One only has to look at Kill at NMSU and at Braun at Northwestern as examples.

What are you even talking about? You're the only person that is saying Taylor is struggling. And what exactly do YOU know about recruiting?

We won't actually know the results of these recruiting classes for a few years, so all we have is speculation. And Taylor hasn't even been here for a full recruiting cycle! This will be his first full class and it's not even signing day yet. There are lots of official visits happening this weekend, we'll see if anything comes out of it.

Because we can't see into the future, all we can rely on is the recruiting services and our own two eyes. I'm not a professional scout, but the major services have our current class ranked average to above-average in the MAC. 24/7 has us at 6th, Rivals - 6th, On3 - 4th.

So please...justify your statements about Taylor struggling and his inability to recruit, and how "awful" our recruiting is.

(12-09-2023 03:46 PM)WMU2013 Wrote:  His recruiting and losing talent is very obvious, there's no excuses for a 1-11 team out recruiting Taylor like Kent State is doing right now is there, since he has "such the budget". Taylor CANT recruit.

Recruiting rankings are as accurate as a weather forecast 10 days out, and it's easily proven if you back-review rankings from 4-5 years ago. You need to stop treating them as gospel.

And in case you haven't noticed, schools across the country are "losing talent." 7 MAC starting QBs are in the portal. Even Top 25 programs can't keep their top talent from chasing NIL$ elsewhere. Welcome to the 2020s.

I get you're upset Lester was let go and you're taking it out on 'the new guy,' but let's keep grounded in reality here.

(12-09-2023 03:46 PM)WMU2013 Wrote:  

(12-09-2023 12:00 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(12-09-2023 10:56 AM)WMU2013 Wrote:  

(12-09-2023 10:40 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  You were asked how many schools have an institutional advantage over WMU. You did not answer that question. Instead you went to MAC football championships.

Apples and oranges. Why be obtuse about it?

If there is some point you wish to make, do it.

I made my point, you're the one getting upset that I did it seems. I asked to substitute Lester for Fleck, WMU for Minnesota and explain why it should have been different. I was asked a question in return, so maybe I should get an answer to my question before you two start demanding answers to yours?

Did anyone explain to me why it should be different? I asked that first sir.

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances

Minnesota's budget is 10th in the Big Ten.

Western Michigan's is 2nd in the MAC.

Lester underachieved, get over it. Your pissy little sniveling on this board trying to create a narrative that Taylor has already failed and Lester just needed more time is transparent and stupid.

So Fleck's success here was obviously due to budget then huh? Each MAC program rolls their budgets differently, They're not comparable.

If WMU was the tenth best funded MAC school I don't think Fleck would have found the success he did, no.

(12-09-2023 12:39 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(12-09-2023 11:22 AM)WesternDave Wrote:  

(12-08-2023 10:50 AM)Liam9903 Wrote:  The bitterness directed at the most successful coach in WMU history will never fail to baffle me.

PJ Fleck was a great coach for WMU. However, when he left it felt like he wanted much more than to be stuck in Minnesota with mediocre results every season. I think if he had stayed at WMU then a better B10 school would have came calling, like Michigan State. Then he can recruit better than at Minnesota, maybe have a miracle season and be scooped up by some SEC school ala Saban. Before anyone says anything, no I don't see Fleck as a Saban. But he would have gotten the even larger payday from someone like Texas AM or Auburn. That's all.

Michigan State is not better than Minnesota. Sorry.

You can't just ignore Sparty getting blasted by Bama in the playoffs. At least I don't.

Minnesota's DC Joe Rossi leaving to take same position at MSU.

(12-10-2023 07:52 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Minnesota's DC Joe Rossi leaving to take same position at MSU.

Huge loss for PJ.

Ciarrocca has now left Minnesota twice, most recently for Rutgers (not exactly a P5 power).

Rossi leaves for the massive rebuild that is MSU.

Does not look good for Fleck-future of Golden Gophers.

In other news, Jay Sawvel, who was DC at Minny under Fleck's predecessor and not retained, is new HC at Wyoming.

FWIW.

Minnesota is 11th in recruiting. With Washington, Illinois, MSU, and UCLA sure to pass them. Maryland even might. He's losing!