https://247sports.com/Season/2024-Footba...mRankings/

Today was signing day.


Freshman Rank - School - Transfer Ranking

5 FSU - 59
7 Miami - 44
10 ND - 12
12 Clemson - None Taken
26 UNC - 43
27 NC State - 7
30 Stanford - None Taken
38 GT - 27
41 Pitt - 38
48 Syracuse - 15
52 WF - 53
53 Duke - 89
55 Louis - 3
58 Cal - 28
76 UVa - 40
87 SMU - 14
99 BC - 30

A freshman class averages about 22-23 kids. Most transfers average 5-6 kids fwiw.

While you lose the meaning of most anything with averages with low N's, I just don't see how BC, UVa, and Duke stay competitive. WF and Cal are on the edge.

Bronco Mendenhall struggled with recruiting. He didn’t have connections or experience in the East Coast/South. Fortunately, he was a strong coach that developed the talent.

Tony Elliott is actually doing worse in recruiting at UVa.

Is not this just early signing day? Still time left.

FSU had a 5 Star that was almost a sure lock sign with UGA. Oh well maybe he comes back around in a few years.

Observations:
Three ACC teams, plus ND, are ranked in the top 25 nationally.
Three more for a total of six teams (plus ND) in the top 30.
10 ACC teams in the top 50, and 14 in the top 60 nationally.

However, it's not ALL about rankings.
14 ACC teams have at least one "blue chip" player coming in.
10 ACC teams have three or more blue chip signees.

Signs point to what should be a better ACC football conference.

https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2023/...g-day.html

GT has a solid class!

(12-20-2023 05:06 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Is not this just early signing day? Still time left.

FSU had a 5 Star that was almost a sure lock sign with UGA. Oh well maybe he comes back around in a few years.

Georgia had some NIL $$$ available when Raiola flipped to Nebraska. Thus is recruiting now.

(12-20-2023 04:01 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  https://247sports.com/Season/2024-Footba...mRankings/

Today was signing day.


Freshman Rank - School - Transfer Ranking

5 FSU - 59
7 Miami - 44
10 ND - 12
12 Clemson - None Taken
26 UNC - 43
27 NC State - 7
30 Stanford - None Taken
38 GT - 27
41 Pitt - 38
48 Syracuse - 15
52 WF - 53
53 Duke - 89
55 Louis - 3
58 Cal - 28
76 UVa - 40
87 SMU - 14
99 BC - 30

A freshman class averages about 22-23 kids. Most transfers average 5-6 kids fwiw.

While you lose the meaning of most anything with averages with low N's, I just don't see how BC, UVa, and Duke stay competitive. WF and Cal are on the edge.

42 VT - 47

(12-20-2023 09:10 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(12-20-2023 04:01 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  https://247sports.com/Season/2024-Footba...mRankings/

Today was signing day.


Freshman Rank - School - Transfer Ranking

5 FSU - 59
7 Miami - 44
10 ND - 12
12 Clemson - None Taken
26 UNC - 43
27 NC State - 7
30 Stanford - None Taken
38 GT - 27
41 Pitt - 38
48 Syracuse - 15
52 WF - 53
53 Duke - 89
55 Louis - 3
58 Cal - 28
76 UVa - 40
87 SMU - 14
99 BC - 30

A freshman class averages about 22-23 kids. Most transfers average 5-6 kids fwiw.

While you lose the meaning of most anything with averages with low N's, I just don't see how BC, UVa, and Duke stay competitive. WF and Cal are on the edge.

42 VT - 47

Thanks, there are now too many conference teams to count.

Attempting to take into account the portal, I rough out the following so far:

National Rank - School

5 - FSU
7 - Miami
8 - ND
13 - Clemson
24 - NC State
26 - UNC
33 - Stanford
36 - GT
41 - Pitt
43 - VT
45 - Syracuse
49 - Louisville
53 - WF
54 - Duke
57 - Cal
75 - UVa
80 - SMU
98 - BC

Statistically speaking movement from 15 and below is next to impossible. Unless a school adds two five stars or loses three 4 stars. A few kids can make those higher than 50 move rapidly. Those between 15 and 50 can only move a handful of spots up or down.

Recruiting rankings are such a crap shoot. If the program is good, then the players that are recruited to it will likely be good fits and develop into good players. If the program is bad, then those highly rated recruits will likely never develop into good players and likely transfer out. Vanderbilt is #40 with four 4*, who thinks this will turn things around for them?

(12-21-2023 05:25 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Recruiting rankings are such a crap shoot. If the program is good, then the players that are recruited to it will likely be good fits and develop into good players. If the program is bad, then those highly rated recruits will likely never develop into good players and likely transfer out. Vanderbilt is #40 with four 4*, who thinks this will turn things around for them?

Vandy had a good run under Franklin, but long term as long as they remain in the SEC, they won't have the opportunity to develop.

Lowly Duke has been to 8 bowl games in the last 11 years.
Up until this year Wake Forest had been to 7 bowl games in a row.

Vanderbilt is just in the wrong league, they are not competing against their peers.

Quote:Miami coach Mario Cristobal hasn’t yet taken the Hurricanes to an Atlantic Coast Conference championship game, but he sure has made a difference on the recruiting trail.

Cristobal closed strong to help Miami secure the ACC’s top-ranked recruiting class for a second straight year. According to composite rankings of recruiting sites compiled by 247Sports, Miami’s class ranked third nationally — behind only Georgia and Alabama — early Wednesday evening as the first day of the early signing period wound down.

Florida State was ninth in the team standings. The Seminoles had led the ACC rankings before two of their top recruits switched to other schools Wednesday, with safety KJ Bolden (14th in the 247Sports Composite) picking Georgia and defensive lineman Armondo Blount (22nd) choosing Miami.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/a...7697&ei=11

IT AIN'T OVER 'TIL IT'S OVER

(12-21-2023 05:41 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 05:25 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Recruiting rankings are such a crap shoot. If the program is good, then the players that are recruited to it will likely be good fits and develop into good players. If the program is bad, then those highly rated recruits will likely never develop into good players and likely transfer out. Vanderbilt is #40 with four 4*, who thinks this will turn things around for them?

Vandy had a good run under Franklin, but long term as long as they remain in the SEC, they won't have the opportunity to develop.

Lowly Duke has been to 8 bowl games in the last 11 years.
Up until this year Wake Forest had been to 7 bowl games in a row.

Vanderbilt is just in the wrong league, they are not competing against their peers.

That says more about the ACC teams who can't seem to beat Duke and Wake.

(12-21-2023 05:25 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Recruiting rankings are such a crap shoot. If the program is good, then the players that are recruited to it will likely be good fits and develop into good players. If the program is bad, then those highly rated recruits will likely never develop into good players and likely transfer out. Vanderbilt is #40 with four 4*, who thinks this will turn things around for them?

Rankings alone don't tell the whole story. I get the sense that the difference between #1 and #25 is smaller this year than in recent years (before NIL and the Transfer Portal). Maybe after I get my work done I'll blog about it...

(12-21-2023 08:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 05:41 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 05:25 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Recruiting rankings are such a crap shoot. If the program is good, then the players that are recruited to it will likely be good fits and develop into good players. If the program is bad, then those highly rated recruits will likely never develop into good players and likely transfer out. Vanderbilt is #40 with four 4*, who thinks this will turn things around for them?

Vandy had a good run under Franklin, but long term as long as they remain in the SEC, they won't have the opportunity to develop.

Lowly Duke has been to 8 bowl games in the last 11 years.
Up until this year Wake Forest had been to 7 bowl games in a row.

Vanderbilt is just in the wrong league, they are not competing against their peers.

That says more about the ACC teams who can't seem to beat Duke and Wake.

I seem to recall a 3-0 Duke win in Blacksburg.

Player rankings are joke. The moment a kid decides to not go to schools like Georgia, Alabama, Texas, etc .. they suddenly lose a star.

(12-21-2023 09:40 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 08:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 05:41 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 05:25 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Recruiting rankings are such a crap shoot. If the program is good, then the players that are recruited to it will likely be good fits and develop into good players. If the program is bad, then those highly rated recruits will likely never develop into good players and likely transfer out. Vanderbilt is #40 with four 4*, who thinks this will turn things around for them?

Vandy had a good run under Franklin, but long term as long as they remain in the SEC, they won't have the opportunity to develop.

Lowly Duke has been to 8 bowl games in the last 11 years.
Up until this year Wake Forest had been to 7 bowl games in a row.

Vanderbilt is just in the wrong league, they are not competing against their peers.

That says more about the ACC teams who can't seem to beat Duke and Wake.

I seem to recall a 3-0 Duke win in Blacksburg.

That wasn't the best Hokies team, was it?

(12-21-2023 09:40 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 08:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 05:41 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 05:25 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Recruiting rankings are such a crap shoot. If the program is good, then the players that are recruited to it will likely be good fits and develop into good players. If the program is bad, then those highly rated recruits will likely never develop into good players and likely transfer out. Vanderbilt is #40 with four 4*, who thinks this will turn things around for them?

Vandy had a good run under Franklin, but long term as long as they remain in the SEC, they won't have the opportunity to develop.

Lowly Duke has been to 8 bowl games in the last 11 years.
Up until this year Wake Forest had been to 7 bowl games in a row.

Vanderbilt is just in the wrong league, they are not competing against their peers.

That says more about the ACC teams who can't seem to beat Duke and Wake.

I seem to recall a 3-0 Duke win in Blacksburg.

You must be thinking of the 2014 game at Wake Forest. That game was 0-0 in regulation and ended up 6-3 Wake in double over time.

A smart 2.5 - 3 star kid is tough to beat on the field using 4 star talent alone. That's the key thing about a lot of Duke and WF kids. Physically they would never start at Clemson, FSU, UNC, NC State, etc., but they are smart enough to match the 4 star kid who is not thinking, not focused.

(12-21-2023 08:07 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  A smart 2.5 - 3 star kid is tough to beat on the field using 4 star talent alone. That's the key thing about a lot of Duke and WF kids. Physically they would never start at Clemson, FSU, UNC, NC State, etc., but they are smart enough to match the 4 star kid who is not thinking, not focused.

VT is looking for the smart 3.5-star kids.