Yeah Florida State is doing this only to join either the SEC or Big ten. Florida state is a good property for either of these conferences. In fact their viewership ranked ahead of Notre Dame's and right behind Texas in the Nelson ratings.

FSU is highly desirable inventory for either conference. There is no chance FSU jumps through these hoops to make less money in the B12.

(12-21-2023 12:29 PM)msu35 Wrote:  FSU is highly desirable inventory for either conference. There is no chance FSU jumps through these hoops to make less money in the B12.

Right Florida State ain't going to the f****** big 12 LOL. Here's another source that shows Florida state's viewership ranked ahead of Notre Dame's and right behind Texas

https://medium.com/run-it-back-with-zach...81ef62d3bf

(12-21-2023 12:29 PM)msu35 Wrote:  FSU is highly desirable inventory for either conference. There is no chance FSU jumps through these hoops to make less money in the B12.

Most definitely.

They're publicly saying they want MORE money. And implicitly they're saying it takes B1G or $EC money to compete.

They're not interested in any other conference. I do wonder if FSU thinks those 2 will get in a bidding war over them.

College football is playing with fire and they're going to end up in the burn ward.

Sooner or later some big government official is going to push forward a measure that gives the federal government regulatory power under the interstate commerce clause.

Imagine Title IX type of control over all aspects of college sports.

And unlike the NCAA the schools would have no input on rules and regulations.

Once you put this in the hands of the court the court can permanently claim oversight if it chooses unless a higher court steps in.

And as we've seen this week, many times a court's ruling is based on their beliefs and not the law.

(12-21-2023 12:32 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 12:29 PM)msu35 Wrote:  FSU is highly desirable inventory for either conference. There is no chance FSU jumps through these hoops to make less money in the B12.

Most definitely.

They're publicly saying they want MORE money. And implicitly they're saying it takes B1G or $EC money to compete.

They're not interested in any other conference. I do wonder if FSU thinks those 2 will get in a bidding war over them.

I dont know about a bidding war, but the SEC is not likely to want the B1G to get a foothold in FLorida via FSU. I think they would be ok if the B1G took Miami, or even worse, is stuck with a USF. The SEC pretty much removed the B1G from anything decent in Texas. I think they will also block them from FSU in FLorida, and dare the B1G to try to take a Miami and deal with additional travel issues.

Hard to imagine that Cal and Stanford remain permanently ensconced in whatever the ACC eventually becomes. But what do I know?—I picked Memphis over Virginia “in a squeaker.”

(12-21-2023 11:11 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 10:52 AM)micman Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 10:48 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 10:42 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  To go where exactly ?

The SEC, I imagine.

If not, the Big Ten would be quite happy to place a strong beach head in SEC country.

Big Ten only option for them to get payout. Why would ESPN agree to pay more for them to be in the SEC than they pay them to be in the ACC? ESPN already has FSU.

Why would the SEC want them? They already have the flagship university in Florida

FSU is one of the best properties outside of the B1G and SEC. Obviously, ND is tops, then probably FSU. You could argue Clemson (and a stretch, Miami). The SEC would take them in a second.

(12-21-2023 02:26 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 12:32 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 12:29 PM)msu35 Wrote:  FSU is highly desirable inventory for either conference. There is no chance FSU jumps through these hoops to make less money in the B12.

Most definitely.

They're publicly saying they want MORE money. And implicitly they're saying it takes B1G or $EC money to compete.

They're not interested in any other conference. I do wonder if FSU thinks those 2 will get in a bidding war over them.

I dont know about a bidding war, but the SEC is not likely to want the B1G to get a foothold in FLorida via FSU. I think they would be ok if the B1G took Miami, or even worse, is stuck with a USF. The SEC pretty much removed the B1G from anything decent in Texas. I think they will also block them from FSU in FLorida, and dare the B1G to try to take a Miami and deal with additional travel issues.

The B1G wouldn’t consider USF. Not even close. Miami possibly.

(12-21-2023 10:50 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I'll put it this way if Florida State is successful and is able to leave then so does North Carolina, Clemson, and Virginia.

****, more than that. ACC will be G5 like us.

(12-21-2023 03:18 PM)SouthernMSTiger Wrote:  Hard to imagine that Cal and Stanford remain permanently ensconced in whatever the ACC eventually becomes. But what do I know?—I picked Memphis over Virginia “in a squeaker.”

Stanford learns that Memphis has been invited...

(12-21-2023 12:29 PM)msu35 Wrote:  FSU is highly desirable inventory for either conference. There is no chance FSU jumps through these hoops to make less money in the B12.

FSU isn't going to the Big 12 but Big 12 schools make more than than the ACC schools, and that is under the old Big 12 TV deal. When the new TV deal kicks in there will be a four million per school increase as well as a new data deal that will add an extra increase of 5 to 10 million per school. The Big 12 payout will increase to around 55 to 65 million per school in 2025 (likely 60+ million) due to those factors and the CFP expansion and new payout method.

(12-21-2023 06:14 PM)CatsClaw1 Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 12:29 PM)msu35 Wrote:  FSU is highly desirable inventory for either conference. There is no chance FSU jumps through these hoops to make less money in the B12.

FSU isn't going to the Big 12 but Big 12 schools make more than than the ACC schools, and that is under the old Big 12 TV deal. When the new TV deal kicks in there will be a four million per school increase as well as a new data deal that will add an extra increase of 5 to 10 million per school. The Big 12 payout will increase to around 55 to 65 million per school in 2025 (likely 60+ million) due to those factors and the CFP expansion and new payout method.

The annual average payout went from $220M to $380M under the new contract set to kick in for the 2024-25 season. It guarantees $32M annually for the B12 member schools. Claiming it will balloon to $55-65M is quite the optimistic take.

Ike has often said what additional teams will be leaving the ACC
FSU sec
UNC BIG
UVA BIG
Clemson sec
The ACC will be adding Tulane and UCONN plus 4 additional Schools

Report: SEC Has 'More Opposition Than Interest' in Adding FSU, Miami, Clemson

While the likes of Florida State, Miami and Clemson could depart the ACC for greener pastures, it appears the SEC may not be interested in adding any of those schools to its ranks.

An SEC source told Dan Wetzel of Yahoo Sports that he believes "there is more opposition than interest" from the conference in adding the Seminoles, Hurricanes and Tigers.

All three schools have been rumored as potential candidates for the SEC if the conference decides to expand further.

However, Wetzel notes that "the SEC's goal is to play a level of football that appeals to a national audience," and the conference already has programs in Florida and South Carolina. He added that "any move on FSU and/or the others would be defensive, mainly to block the Big Ten from gaining a foothold in the region."

The college football landscape has changed drastically over the last year, with the SEC adding Texas and Oklahoma and the Big Ten adding USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington.

With the SEC and Big Ten essentially becoming super conferences, elite programs like Florida State want a piece of the action.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1010...mi-clemson

Sounds to me like they will add them for defensive purposes. I don’t read that as “Rejected” any more than I did when I heard Texas A&M would block Texas from joining earlier. South Carolina already has to contend with an ACC Clemson; think they want to contend with a BIG Clemson? Same scenario with Florida.

Perhaps I’m looking at it wrong. Maybe Florida thinks it’s better for FSU to be BIG than SEC? Etc.

What thinkest thou?

And because I’m clueless about such matters: How much more lucrative (short-term and long-term) are FSU and Clemson than Virginia and NC?

(12-21-2023 12:16 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 12:08 PM)tiger86 Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 11:11 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 10:52 AM)micman Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 10:48 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The SEC, I imagine.

If not, the Big Ten would be quite happy to place a strong beach head in SEC country.

Big Ten only option for them to get payout. Why would ESPN agree to pay more for them to be in the SEC than they pay them to be in the ACC? ESPN already has FSU.

Why would the SEC want them? They already have the flagship university in Florida

The same reason they want Vanderbilt, Texas A&M, Mississippi State and Auburn. And I assure you they would want Clemson too.

The SEC would want UNC and probably UVA before they would want Clemson. TV markets trump almost everything. Its the reason the SEC added Missouri.

I mean, the SEC has enough money in the bank that adding North Carolina and Virginia is not going to move the needle. Will adding Florida State move the needle? Yes.
The problem with Florida State is there may not be another non-SEC that can move into the SEC along with Florida State. To me, Florida State check all the boxes in moving with to the SEC.
One thing SEC has valued so far is to stay regional, and they have. Florida State isn't going to leave the ACC to go to the Big 12 either, and they don't want to send their athletic programs out West. Stay close. I can understand why Florida State is doing this, because they believe they got betrayed by their own conference in football.

The only conference that would benefit from taking in FSU & Clemson is the Big 10 & neither are AAU school. GT & Miami are more likely to land in the Big 10 than FSU & Clemson.