The team is good, but perhaps not as good as we hoped or thought. It does not help our best on ball defender and a crafty shooter is out for the season and Tomlin has fouled out the past two games.

good... bad...

I'd much rather be arguing about a win than a loss.

And I bet Kansas would love to be arguing about a close win to UCF. By the way, Kansas was up by 16 in that game.

(01-10-2024 11:43 PM)presskh Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 11:33 PM)mapdude Wrote:  If UTSA played like that for the games already played, would they be 7-8 record? I don't think so. They played so far above their heads and still got beat. Give the Tigers some credit people.

Agree. God, they shot the lights out, seemingly. Our defense was pretty poor, however, with UTSA getting lots of wide-open shots.

When you LET a team "make" 17 3s in one game something is not getting through to the defense of the team. I never see another team that plays this bad of 3 pt defense. It seems like they dare a red hot shooter to make another one and he does.

(01-11-2024 09:22 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  good... bad...

I'd much rather be arguing about a win than a loss.

And I bet Kansas would love to be arguing about a close win to UCF. By the way, Kansas was up by 16 in that game.

Too much rational thinking from you . Something very much absent around here

(01-11-2024 09:33 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 11:43 PM)presskh Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 11:33 PM)mapdude Wrote:  If UTSA played like that for the games already played, would they be 7-8 record? I don't think so. They played so far above their heads and still got beat. Give the Tigers some credit people.

Agree. God, they shot the lights out, seemingly. Our defense was pretty poor, however, with UTSA getting lots of wide-open shots.

When you LET a team "make" 17 3s in one game something is not getting through to the defense of the team. I never see another team that plays this bad of 3 pt defense. It seems like they dare a red hot shooter to make another one and he does.

The 3 point defense is ranked 110 in the nation (31.5%). That's not great, but not terrible...top third of teams. They have allowed a ton of 3s, but other teams are shooting a ton of 3s. Isn't forcing 3s usually considered a good thing?

They have allowed 142 which is the most of any team in the top 110, but they have also forced 451 which is also the most of any team in the top 110. Maybe part of the scheme is to pressure the ball, help on drives to stop them, rotate quickly, and close out aggressively...stop drives but sometimes give open looks for 3.

(01-10-2024 10:40 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 10:30 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  This team is 14-2 (3-0) and ranked in the top-15.

Two top 10 teams lost to unranked teams tonight. One of them lost to our old conference mate UCF.

Pat Adams worked the Kansas-UCF game

(01-11-2024 12:17 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 10:49 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 10:47 PM)mempho_to_diego Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 10:45 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 10:34 PM)TigerinFL Wrote:  always playing to the level of their competition. been that way for years

Not in the Cal years

Ummmmmm the hell we didn't. What you smoking?

Not even close to this level. We regularly beat bad teams by 30 under Cal. Go look it up, I'm too lazy to do it.

Sure I'll play. 08-09 season struggled with Chattanooga, Ark Little Rock, Tulsa, UTEP, Tulane in the conference tourney and Cal State in the NCAAs.

07-08 is probably what you have in mind. Only struggle wins were at home to Marshall and on the road at the infamous UAB game.

I'm sure there are some in the other seasons too. Every good team has the close head scratch games. I guess the alarm is how we are having these in a row

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Right, the 08 team was an insanely talented team. Like top 10 all time so comparing them to any team, not just Tiger teams, is pretty tough. I remember Cal losing to LA Tech at the Pyramid, etc. That's not saying Penny doesn't have to figure out a way to get the guys motivated to come out balls to the wall by the way. Not sure if he needs to more stick then carrot but something isn't clicking with these awful starts.

(01-11-2024 09:33 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 11:43 PM)presskh Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 11:33 PM)mapdude Wrote:  If UTSA played like that for the games already played, would they be 7-8 record? I don't think so. They played so far above their heads and still got beat. Give the Tigers some credit people.

Agree. God, they shot the lights out, seemingly. Our defense was pretty poor, however, with UTSA getting lots of wide-open shots.

When you LET a team "make" 17 3s in one game something is not getting through to the defense of the team. I never see another team that plays this bad of 3 pt defense. It seems like they dare a red hot shooter to make another one and he does.

I've come to the conclusion Penny has traded 3pt defense for interior defense. His arg being the helping and doubling inside the 3pt line leads to TOs which helps pace of play. He's playing the odds that teams will shoot their average but what seems to be happening is that "average" is mostly contested shots and a lot (not all) of the shots against us are uncontested. Almost like they need a new stat for uncontested 3pt to use as a metric. TBF I'm not sure I'm a fan of it but at the end of the day we keep winning these games where FAU for example is losing them.

The other thing I think I'm underestimating is the loss of Mills. He had pretty much deferred to DJ and JQ regarding offense and was becoming our number one defender. Between losing him and Tomlin still finding his role that has led to a major drop off in intensity especially on defense.

(01-10-2024 10:47 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 10:44 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 09:02 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:  We are worse with Tomlin

I don't think this is on any one player but when Tomlin was introduced into the lineup something changed. I don't see any evidence of animosity or personality conflicts but the team dynamic changed. It may take some time to gel again.

I'm not blaming it on Tomlin, but it's pretty easy to see that we have won home games against bad teams on a single possession or in OT ever since he started playing.

Oh I know, I'm not arguing that point at all, I agree. I just think this team has lost its identity for now. They need to get it the eff back with a quickness.

It would be understandable if Jones, who has been the heart and soul of this team so far, might harbor a trace of resentment against a new guy being brought in amid heavy promotion and hype and now being asked to share that role. That's not what I'm suggesting is happening, just a hypothetical.

Another possibility is resentment across the board that the Hardaway's are being given minutes not commensurate with their abilities or contributions.

Or maybe Jones is having lingering health issues related to whatever illness he suffered recently. While he is still scoring fantastic numbers he doesn't seem to have the same energy he had early on.

There are all kinds of possible explanations for the poor play recently but one thing is certain, it can't continue. It will hurt us if it does.

And yet, we are 14-2 so...

(01-10-2024 11:33 PM)mapdude Wrote:  If UTSA played like that for the games already played, would they be 7-8 record? I don't think so. They played so far above their heads and still got beat. Give the Tigers some credit people.

They absolutely did.

(01-10-2024 11:57 PM)Alcalde2 Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 11:52 PM)John44932 Wrote:  A win is a win.

Some of the people here are so miserable that we could win out all the way to a national championship and there would be threads complaining after the game.

Fan message boards have all kinds. Happy clappers, I suppose like yourself, that just clap at every win regardless. Some are more analytical and notice trends that might hurt us against real competition. Neither way to Fan is wrong

As if there is only one way to fan.

(01-11-2024 09:19 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The team is good, but perhaps not as good as we hoped or thought. It does not help our best on ball defender and a crafty shooter is out for the season and Tomlin has fouled out the past two games.

I think this team is good but they're just playing good right now. I think they'll get the D figured out by the end of conference play and be a force in the post season.

Team miss Mills

1) This team was really good to great - Top 10 with Final Four potential when we play teams for which we should be in their conference
2) Right now we are a good team that can be beat at home to a below average team which we gave up over 100 points and Penny is an elite defensive coach
3) Penny stated last night on his post game interview that he knows now on the ball defense is the real problem and he signed all offensive players, he did not sound happy yet determined
4) We will be an elite team again because we will rise to the level of competition of FAU and our Tournament which I believe we will win. As well we will as we did in every NCAA tournament rise to the occasion hopefully without the last second mistakes of the past two seasons - this team is fully capable of doing that - Final Four Year
5) In the mean time, it's time to coach up defense, get use to a new player.
6) Yes we most likely will lose a game or two on the schedule - its most likely more of a condition of todays game of paid mercenaries rather than players signed to a team for which they have to earn their playing time. If a player does not want to play defense, he simply transfers to another team, today's game is not on Penny.

We are a top 15 team and winning - let's embrace where we are - remember the game of college basketball of which Penny knew is gone - the past 4 years the game is not recognizable and the template is ever changing.

let's enjoy the ride, take in the anxity and frustrations and know we should do well in the tournament while we lose at home to a ECU/S Fla or someone like that and it's really OK.

This team is good. For whatever reason, the defensive scheme has been altered. I do not know if that is intentional or not but it is not working. I see two main issues that are leading to wide open threes.
1. Our entire defense collapses on drives whether help is needed or not. This leads to easy kick outs and wide open shots
2. Our bigs get caught ball watching all of the time and lose their man. This then causes the d to go into scramble mode and inevitably someone is left open.

It’s karma for some of our posters , well one actually, dragging and insulting UTSA BB since they joined the conference.

(01-11-2024 11:01 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  This team is good. For whatever reason, the defensive scheme has been altered. I do not know if that is intentional or not but it is not working. I see two main issues that are leading to wide open threes.
1. Our entire defense collapses on drives whether help is needed or not. This leads to easy kick outs and wide open shots
2. Our bigs get caught ball watching all of the time and lose their man. This then causes the d to go into scramble mode and inevitably someone is left open.

I don’t think anything has been altered intentionally other than Malcolm defending farther out on the perimeter sometimes. In the post game interview Penny was saying the entire defensive game plan was to take away the 3. Obviously that didn’t happen for whatever reason.

1. Losing Mills has been a blow that we weren't quite expecting. I don't think even the team realized everything he brought to the table.
2. We play up or down to our competition consistently.
3. We will drop a game at some point - it's human nature to not "get up" for these smaller teams...we're just lucky that it wasn't one of the worst ones on the schedule this time.
4. Mills has only been out a week. Adjustments will be made defensively.

(01-11-2024 09:22 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  good... bad...

I'd much rather be arguing about a win than a loss.

And I bet Kansas would love to be arguing about a close win to UCF. By the way, Kansas was up by 16 in that game.

lol Up 16
Whoa
College bb used to have less comebacks. It happens in nba quite a bit, but now the swings in college bb seem to happen more often.

I think I’ll watch the game for reference. Pat Adams worked it, as one poster has already mentioned.