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RE: #19 TCU at Cincinnati Game Thread
(01-17-2024 02:19 PM)mlb Wrote: (01-17-2024 02:18 PM)bww Wrote: (01-17-2024 02:12 PM)mlb Wrote: (01-17-2024 02:01 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: The TCU coach reminded me of the 1985 version of George McFly.
Pitt really screwed up when they let Jamie Dixon go.
Think it was more of Dixon going home vs staying at Pitt
I was under the impression that they were unhappy with his performance after they got to the ACC.
I think it was kind of both parties agreeing their relationship had come to an end. Pitt didn't execute the buyout clause for TCU to hire him.
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RE: #19 TCU at Cincinnati Game Thread
(01-16-2024 09:13 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: The ref icing our shooter before the second shot is inexcusable. If you're going to check the time it has to be right away so Dan can do his normal routine.
Please tell me that’s not a normal big 12 referee crew. First they try to add a foul on us while checking the out of bounds play. Then they initially forget to review the Clock…so they remember and the ice or shooter. I’ve never seen that in my life. Skillings was so nervous and so tight. Obviously he has to learn to be better but they completely iced him.
Secondly, when you only need one free-throw, just shoot it high and long. Number one - just get it over the rim. If it’s over the rim, it can bounce off the back rim or the backboard and go in. I used to tell the fifth graders I Coached all the time. If you’re tight get it over the rim. Geez
Love Dan tho- my favorite- With those long arms and instinct, he’s going to be in the league for a while. I don’t know if he’ll ever be a great three point shooter but it will improve.
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RE: #19 TCU at Cincinnati Game Thread
(01-17-2024 02:19 PM)mlb Wrote: (01-17-2024 02:18 PM)bww Wrote: (01-17-2024 02:12 PM)mlb Wrote: (01-17-2024 02:01 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: The TCU coach reminded me of the 1985 version of George McFly.
Pitt really screwed up when they let Jamie Dixon go.
Think it was more of Dixon going home vs staying at Pitt
I was under the impression that they were unhappy with his performance after they got to the ACC.
that's how i remember it. Like they could do better then Dixon. i can't remember where Sean Miller was at the time but there was definitely homecoming vibes from Pitt for Miller iirc
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RE: #19 TCU at Cincinnati Game Thread
(01-17-2024 02:03 PM)Cat-Man Wrote: (01-17-2024 01:06 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: (01-17-2024 12:26 PM)Cat-Man Wrote: (01-17-2024 10:58 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: One more thing...does anyone else agree that Dan is making less "Bad Dan" decisions and plays over the past several games? He still needs to get better but he looks more in control overall and some of his drives to the bucket have been nothing short of amazing. Dude can board too. He's now our second leading scorer and rebounder on the season after Vik...
11.8 Pts, 6.2 Reb, 1.4 Ast
EDIT - Make that third leading rebounder after Aziz.
I have such mixed emotions on Dan and Day Day. They both shoot way too many bad shots, but sometimes if it weren't for their aggressiveness we wouldn't have any scoring. I guess we have to learn to take the good with the bad for now.
I just hope teams don't start to figure out that Dan is a chucker and he'll shoot it no matter what. He may start seeing more double teams or help defense. He needs to incorporate more passing into his game. At least Day Day will pass the ball for a better look at times.
Dan still struggles with making the right pass, but he's been super efficient in conference when it comes to the shots he is taking. He's shooting 57.7% from 2 (15-26) and 42.9% from 3 (6-14) in 4 Conference games. He's playing far better with more consistency than I expected him to play at this point in the season. Hoping it keeps up.
1. He hardly ever passes the ball. I'm sure there is a stat out there somewhere that measures that sort of thing, but he has the lowest number of assists on the team of the top 7 guys (by a large margin) aside from Aziz. But even that IMO doesn't accurately measure how little he gives up the ball.
2. His total conference numbers look good on paper, but I don't know if I would call it "consistent". They are a bit skewed by his offensive explosion in the Baylor game. You take away that game line and his numbers drop to 46% fg and 25% 3 pt. The UT game he was horrid. 3-8 fg (38%) and 0-3 from 3 pt. Thus the nickname Good/Bad Dan.
i actually don't want Dan passing the ball. Quite frankly i want as few bball ideas floating in his head as possible. if he gets the ball, i either want him to take it to rack or, if the lane is closed off, pop a wide open trey. As poor as a three point shooter as he can be, he needs to take that shot. Same with Josh Reed. That's part of the reason they are out there. Don't force treys, but if you're wide open. Take it in rhythm.
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RE: #19 TCU at Cincinnati Game Thread
(01-17-2024 02:03 PM)Cat-Man Wrote: 1. He hardly ever passes the ball. I'm sure there is a stat out there somewhere that measures that sort of thing, but he has the lowest number of assists on the team of the top 7 guys (by a large margin) aside from Aziz. But even that IMO doesn't accurately measure how little he gives up the ball.
2. His total conference numbers look good on paper, but I don't know if I would call it "consistent". They are a bit skewed by his offensive explosion in the Baylor game. You take away that game line and his numbers drop to 46% fg and 25% 3 pt. The UT game he was horrid. 3-8 fg (38%) and 0-3 from 3 pt. Thus the nickname Good/Bad Dan.
He passes within the offense, but he's a bad passer on the drive, which I think is what you're talking about. Now and then he'll try it and most of the time it doesn't go well (though he set up the Day Day three late in the game with a drive and kick).
He doesn't have the create for others part to his game yet. So when he tries to create it ends up being his creating for himself. But he's done it well so far in conference. That game winner last night was such a great drive, late in the shot clock, and such a difficult finish with his left.
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RE: #19 TCU at Cincinnati Game Thread
(01-17-2024 02:01 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: I don't know anything about anything, but to me it looks like Dan plays out of control a lot. Spinning. Falling. Tripping. Moving faster than he can think. He kind of seems like a puppy with a lot of energy out there. He gives me anxiety just watching him.
The TCU coach reminded me of the 1985 version of George McFly.
Think about defending that possession after possession. You try and stay in front of that but you don't really know where "front" is. And the next thing you know you're underneath the rim and the ball is banking off the backboard for a layup, and you're left thinking "how the phuck did i get here?"
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RE: #19 TCU at Cincinnati Game Thread
(01-17-2024 02:03 PM)Cat-Man Wrote: (01-17-2024 01:06 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: (01-17-2024 12:26 PM)Cat-Man Wrote: (01-17-2024 10:58 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: One more thing...does anyone else agree that Dan is making less "Bad Dan" decisions and plays over the past several games? He still needs to get better but he looks more in control overall and some of his drives to the bucket have been nothing short of amazing. Dude can board too. He's now our second leading scorer and rebounder on the season after Vik...
11.8 Pts, 6.2 Reb, 1.4 Ast
EDIT - Make that third leading rebounder after Aziz.
I have such mixed emotions on Dan and Day Day. They both shoot way too many bad shots, but sometimes if it weren't for their aggressiveness we wouldn't have any scoring. I guess we have to learn to take the good with the bad for now.
I just hope teams don't start to figure out that Dan is a chucker and he'll shoot it no matter what. He may start seeing more double teams or help defense. He needs to incorporate more passing into his game. At least Day Day will pass the ball for a better look at times.
Dan still struggles with making the right pass, but he's been super efficient in conference when it comes to the shots he is taking. He's shooting 57.7% from 2 (15-26) and 42.9% from 3 (6-14) in 4 Conference games. He's playing far better with more consistency than I expected him to play at this point in the season. Hoping it keeps up.
1. He hardly ever passes the ball. I'm sure there is a stat out there somewhere that measures that sort of thing, but he has the lowest number of assists on the team of the top 7 guys (by a large margin) aside from Aziz. But even that IMO doesn't accurately measure how little he gives up the ball.
2. His total conference numbers look good on paper, but I don't know if I would call it "consistent". They are a bit skewed by his offensive explosion in the Baylor game. You take away that game line and his numbers drop to 46% fg and 25% 3 pt. The UT game he was horrid. 3-8 fg (38%) and 0-3 from 3 pt. Thus the nickname Good/Bad Dan.
Oh, he's not consistently consistent, yet. That said, I believe he's getting there and not trending in the other direction. I'll give credit to both Dan's efforts to get better and for Wes remaining confident in him and continuing to coach [and not berate] him.
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RE: #19 TCU at Cincinnati Game Thread
(01-17-2024 02:24 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: (01-17-2024 02:19 PM)mlb Wrote: (01-17-2024 02:18 PM)bww Wrote: (01-17-2024 02:12 PM)mlb Wrote: (01-17-2024 02:01 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: The TCU coach reminded me of the 1985 version of George McFly.
Pitt really screwed up when they let Jamie Dixon go.
Think it was more of Dixon going home vs staying at Pitt
I was under the impression that they were unhappy with his performance after they got to the ACC.
I think it was kind of both parties agreeing their relationship had come to an end. Pitt didn't execute the buyout clause for TCU to hire him.
So they went with Stallings for 3 years and learned the hard way. LOL.
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RE: #19 TCU at Cincinnati Game Thread
(01-17-2024 12:12 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote: (01-17-2024 11:16 AM)BearcatDave Wrote: They normally never let us storm the court. I tried to in 2002 when we beat Marquette who i think was #5 at the time.
Was a lot harder in the old 5/3. The new one the students are basically on the court. The old one there was a good five foot drop off from the wall separating the stands and court.
True, and perhaps there was a tacit agreement before last night's game to have security simply walk away from the entrances to the court in the event that the Bearcats prevailed against a ranked opponent for the first ever home court win in the Big 12. There is certainly precedent for "big moments" as we watched the gates open and thousands flooded the field at Nippert following the AAC championship game in '21. I don't want to see it as a routine practice but last night qualified in my mind.
I had to laugh when someone told me earlier that Bill Cunningham was criticizing UC fans on air today for rushing the court. Anytime UC outshines his beloved X, he spews negativity. The fact that UC is once again in a superior conference and beating ranked opponents on the biggest stage only adds to his misery.
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RE: #19 TCU at Cincinnati Game Thread
(01-17-2024 08:53 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote: (01-17-2024 08:43 AM)BearcatMan Wrote: (01-17-2024 08:06 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: Our NET fell from 33 to 29 FWIW.
If we keep trading wins and losses the rest of the way in conference, we're going to hover around the 30 line all season. Way better than dropping one game to the wrong team and falling 15 spots like we would in the AAC.
Speaking of that Memphis is 15-2 only two losses are to Villanova on a neutral court and at Ole Miss by 3. They’ve beaten Arkansas and Michigan on neutral court, VCU and Texas A&M on the road, and Vanderbilt, SMU, Clemson, and Virginia all at home and are somehow 40th in NET.
Meanwhile 10-7 Michigan State is 20th.
Yeah F that noise. I am thoroughly enjoying Big 12 basketball. Better than I ever expected.
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RE: #19 TCU at Cincinnati Game Thread
(01-17-2024 04:34 PM)Helicopter Wrote: (01-17-2024 08:53 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote: (01-17-2024 08:43 AM)BearcatMan Wrote: (01-17-2024 08:06 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: Our NET fell from 33 to 29 FWIW.
If we keep trading wins and losses the rest of the way in conference, we're going to hover around the 30 line all season. Way better than dropping one game to the wrong team and falling 15 spots like we would in the AAC.
Speaking of that Memphis is 15-2 only two losses are to Villanova on a neutral court and at Ole Miss by 3. They’ve beaten Arkansas and Michigan on neutral court, VCU and Texas A&M on the road, and Vanderbilt, SMU, Clemson, and Virginia all at home and are somehow 40th in NET.
Meanwhile 10-7 Michigan State is 20th.
Yeah F that noise. I am thoroughly enjoying Big 12 basketball. Better than I ever expected.
Same.
I think some of the younger/newer fans, those who only know AAC basketball, need to recalibrate their expectations that UC is going to lose a LOT more games in the Big 12 each season than they typically would in the AAC. Most folks remember the gauntlet that was the Old Big East but there's a group of people who started following UC hoops within the last decade that freak out when they see the team on a 2-game losing streak to Big 12 teams. Not calling out anyone on here in particular but those people need to realize that just because Cincinnati might go 8-8 in the Big 12, that's a lot better than going, say, 12-6 in the AAC. Plus the body of works looks much better simply playing against Big 12 teams.
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RE: #19 TCU at Cincinnati Game Thread
(01-17-2024 12:26 PM)Cat-Man Wrote: (01-17-2024 10:58 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: One more thing...does anyone else agree that Dan is making less "Bad Dan" decisions and plays over the past several games? He still needs to get better but he looks more in control overall and some of his drives to the bucket have been nothing short of amazing. Dude can board too. He's now our second leading scorer and rebounder on the season after Vik...
11.8 Pts, 6.2 Reb, 1.4 Ast
EDIT - Make that third leading rebounder after Aziz.
I have such mixed emotions on Dan and Day Day. They both shoot way too many bad shots, but sometimes if it weren't for their aggressiveness we wouldn't have any scoring. I guess we have to learn to take the good with the bad for now.
I just hope teams don't start to figure out that Dan is a chucker and he'll shoot it no matter what. He may start seeing more double teams or help defense. He needs to incorporate more passing into his game. At least Day Day will pass the ball for a better look at times.
I've said from early on that this team will go as Day Day, Dan, and Jizzle go. They are the creators and have to get their own and get it to the bigs. Newman I think doesn't create enough for himself but last night was different in a good way.
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RE: #19 TCU at Cincinnati Game Thread
In case you want to revisit your heart palpitations...
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RE: #19 TCU at Cincinnati Game Thread
(01-17-2024 08:31 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: In case you want to revisit your heart palpitations...
Don't want to beat a dead horse but TCU got two pick and roll oops off of our drop coverage and, while not 100% sure, i feel like the weak side defenders (Skillings on the first and Simas on the second) need to try and cut off the path of the roller so that the ball handler has to take a contested shot. Dan got caught in no man's land ball watching and Simas seemed completely lost. it's too much to expect Vik and Aziz to cover that much ground.
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RE: #19 TCU at Cincinnati Game Thread
terry wondered on air last night if simas was either allergic to people or afraid of them because of how he boxed out. i think anything he can provide defensively is a bonus. maybe he should just foul whenever he's in doubt. it was a roller coaster emotional game due in no part to dan and john missing crucial free shows and redeeming themselves in ot. i didn't even listen to overtime. no; i turned the shower radio off after aziz fouled out resulting in an ersnt p world udeh free throw. homeboy had a massive game and it's just the reckoning. i was in a foul mood anyway, in my second hour of cleaning the kitchen but i had an ear out for a text message from my boy. that meant sh!t was alright. if i didn't hear from him, well, you just go about cleaning the kitchen and forget about that mess. he said i missed a helluva ending
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(01-17-2024 11:53 PM)Lush Wrote: terry wondered on air last night if simas was either allergic to people or afraid of them because of how he boxed out. i think anything he can provide defensively is a bonus. maybe he should just foul whenever he's in doubt.
Chad said on his podcast recently (last night I think) that Simas is one of two guys we have who other teams scheme to target when he is in on defense as well (the other is Jizzle).
That was the scout on Simas when we recruited him though, not a good defender, not physical and doesn't deal well with physicality. Maybe Wes was hoping Simas would improve or maybe he figures we need offense badly enough that it's worth the trade-off.
I think Josh Reed's development is changing the equation. He's an easy switch with Simas, will defend at a high level and will box out. If he can figure out how to contribute some offense, there are 5-10 minutes per game that he can take from Simas.
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RE: #19 TCU at Cincinnati Game Thread
(01-18-2024 09:06 AM)skyblade Wrote: (01-17-2024 11:53 PM)Lush Wrote: terry wondered on air last night if simas was either allergic to people or afraid of them because of how he boxed out. i think anything he can provide defensively is a bonus. maybe he should just foul whenever he's in doubt.
Chad said on his podcast recently (last night I think) that Simas is one of two guys we have who other teams scheme to target when he is in on defense as well (the other is Jizzle).
That was the scout on Simas when we recruited him though, not a good defender, not physical and doesn't deal well with physicality. Maybe Wes was hoping Simas would improve or maybe he figures we need offense badly enough that it's worth the trade-off.
I think Josh Reed's development is changing the equation. He's an easy switch with Simas, will defend at a high level and will box out. If he can figure out how to contribute some offense, there are 5-10 minutes per game that he can take from Simas.
Simas is our only guy who can hit enough 3s to open up the offense at all. Reed is a good shooter when he's open, but so far doesn't take enough to move the defense. Newman is similar. Until something changes there, Simas is probably going to continue to get about double Reed's minutes.
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(01-17-2024 11:53 PM)Lush Wrote: terry wondered on air last night if simas was either allergic to people or afraid of them because of how he boxed out. i think anything he can provide defensively is a bonus. maybe he should just foul whenever he's in doubt. it was a roller coaster emotional game due in no part to dan and john missing crucial free shows and redeeming themselves in ot. i didn't even listen to overtime. no; i turned the shower radio off after aziz fouled out resulting in an ersnt p world udeh free throw. homeboy had a massive game and it's just the reckoning. i was in a foul mood anyway, in my second hour of cleaning the kitchen but i had an ear out for a text message from my boy. that meant sh!t was alright. if i didn't hear from him, well, you just go about cleaning the kitchen and forget about that mess. he said i missed a helluva ending
Same, was traveling for work out to dinner. Starting watching at the last 4 minute mark and got back to hotel right after Dan missed both free throws and Aziz fouled the rebound with 2 secs left. Closed out my phone assuming we lost. Got into room and brought my phone back up with 3 and half minutes left in OT. Was like what the hell happened:)
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