Besides the expensive flights to Tallahassee, you won't have to compete with FSU's coaches salaries and NIL. Might be a good opportunity to roll things back on the football side and go to a 9 game conference schedule which actually works out great in a 16 team conference with divisions or a 17 team conference without divisions.

I guess you can shout out that idea from the parking lot at the next ACC meeting.

TBH, I'm still shaking my head at the "all or nothing" approach FSU has taken - $572M, claiming they should owe nothing, openly criticizing the conference and member schools, etc. I'm confident they could've gotten out for $250M or so if they had approached it from a "buying our way out" angle. Now, who knows?

FSU pretty soon will be getting the Yankee treatment with the ACC refs.

$550M might do it

(01-18-2024 11:43 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  FSU pretty soon will be getting the Yankee treatment with the ACC refs.

$550M $1B might do it

(01-19-2024 07:43 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-18-2024 11:43 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  FSU pretty soon will be getting the Yankee treatment with the ACC refs.

$550M $1B might do it

Stop being so greedy!

(01-19-2024 07:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 07:43 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-18-2024 11:43 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  FSU pretty soon will be getting the Yankee treatment with the ACC refs.

$550M $1B might do it

Stop being so greedy!

Why?

Until we actually hear from the ACC what they think those rights are worth to the Conference, it's all a guessing game.

(01-19-2024 07:51 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 07:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 07:43 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-18-2024 11:43 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  FSU pretty soon will be getting the Yankee treatment with the ACC refs.

$550M $1B might do it

Stop being so greedy!

Why?

Until we actually hear from the ACC what they think those rights are worth to the Conference, it's all a guessing game.

The conference is under no obligation to negotiate with FSU and has no incentive to do so. Yes, I know fans of a few schools want to see what the price is so their schools can think about an exit too but that's the exact reason the ACC shouldn't negotiate. Negotiate a price that FSU can bear and the ACC is dead as a power conference.

(01-19-2024 09:01 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 07:51 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 07:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 07:43 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-18-2024 11:43 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  FSU pretty soon will be getting the Yankee treatment with the ACC refs.

$550M $1B might do it

Stop being so greedy!

Why?

Until we actually hear from the ACC what they think those rights are worth to the Conference, it's all a guessing game.

The conference is under no obligation to negotiate with FSU and has no incentive to do so. Yes, I know fans of a few schools want to see what the price is so their schools can think about an exit too but that's the exact reason the ACC shouldn't negotiate. Negotiate a price that FSU can bear and the ACC is dead as a power conference.

I disagree on this key point: it doesn't matter what FSU can bear, what matters is what the rest of the schools can bear.

(01-19-2024 09:01 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 07:51 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 07:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 07:43 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-18-2024 11:43 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  FSU pretty soon will be getting the Yankee treatment with the ACC refs.

$550M $1B might do it

Stop being so greedy!

Why?

Until we actually hear from the ACC what they think those rights are worth to the Conference, it's all a guessing game.

The conference is under no obligation to negotiate with FSU and has no incentive to do so. Yes, I know fans of a few schools want to see what the price is so their schools can think about an exit too but that's the exact reason the ACC shouldn't negotiate. Negotiate a price that FSU can bear and the ACC is dead as a power conference.

The ACC was a power conference before the addition of FSU and a better overall football conference before the addition of FSU. Their exit just sends us back to that the conference whose members played for and or won national titles in football over 25 times in the last 100 years:

1916 Pitt
1917 GT
1928 GT
1936 Duke
1937 Pitt
1941 Duke
1948 UNC
1951 MD
1952 GT
1953 MD
1956 GT
1959 Syracuse
1976 Pitt
1981 Clemson
1983 Miami
1987 Miami
1989 Miami
1990 GT
1991 Miami
1999 VT
2000 Miami
2001 Miami
2015 Clemson
2016 Clemson
2018 Clemson
2019 Clemson

Take it back to 1900 and you can add:

1900 Clemson
1902 Clemson
1903 Clemson
1904 Pitt
1907 NC State
1910 Pitt

What people seem to forget about FSU under Bowden is that he usually couldn't beat Miami. FSU would make the above list in 93, 96, 98, 99, 2000, and in 2013 and 2014. There are at least 5 other times under Bowden in particular where losing to Miami cost the title shot. But if you look at it over the span over 125 years and ask which ACC member schools have put a potential national title team on the field you get Clemson at 8, and that's with voting discrimination against them in the 1950's. FSU at 7, Miami at 6, Pitt and GT at 5, MD and Duke at 2, and Syracuse, UNC, NC State, and VT at once over 125 years. (Actually Syracuse in 1987 and Clemson in 48 and 50 could make the list) That gives Clemson 10 and Syracuse 2.

But the point is this - ACC football is Clemson, not FSU.

Going to be interesting to see how this shakes out for FSU

If our cow-college upstate hick brothers Clem and Son say they need some money, by God the ACC will look after them because they ARE OUR BROTHER. FSU is just a nare-do-well, married into the family.

While this is a simplification, it's not a gross simplification. We remember who stuck with us when the SEC left, during the Bowl Ban, and during the 800 SAT requirement.

(01-19-2024 07:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 07:43 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-18-2024 11:43 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  FSU pretty soon will be getting the Yankee treatment with the ACC refs.

$550M $1B might do it

Stop being so greedy!

Is it really "greed" when FSU has no resources to actually bargain? This is all an exercise in futility. FSU's AD should have kept his mouth shut and saved a few years, quietly advised large donors of the plan and drawn contributions, then made a serious offer. That way, if the ACC pans out, he has cash on hand for the future, if not, he has a serious offer.

The $100MM demand this past summer with a requirement the ACC takes payments over time showed his hand, specifically that he has no cash to work with.

(01-19-2024 03:36 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 09:01 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 07:51 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 07:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 07:43 AM)XLance Wrote:  

Stop being so greedy!

Why?

Until we actually hear from the ACC what they think those rights are worth to the Conference, it's all a guessing game.

The conference is under no obligation to negotiate with FSU and has no incentive to do so. Yes, I know fans of a few schools want to see what the price is so their schools can think about an exit too but that's the exact reason the ACC shouldn't negotiate. Negotiate a price that FSU can bear and the ACC is dead as a power conference.

The ACC was a power conference before the addition of FSU and a better overall football conference before the addition of FSU. Their exit just sends us back to that the conference whose members played for and or won national titles in football over 25 times in the last 100 years:

1916 Pitt
1917 GT
1928 GT
1936 Duke
1937 Pitt
1941 Duke
1948 UNC
1951 MD
1952 GT
1953 MD
1956 GT
1959 Syracuse
1976 Pitt
1981 Clemson
1983 Miami
1987 Miami
1989 Miami
1990 GT
1991 Miami
1999 VT
2000 Miami
2001 Miami
2015 Clemson
2016 Clemson
2018 Clemson
2019 Clemson

Take it back to 1900 and you can add:

1900 Clemson
1902 Clemson
1903 Clemson
1904 Pitt
1907 NC State
1910 Pitt

What people seem to forget about FSU under Bowden is that he usually couldn't beat Miami. FSU would make the above list in 93, 96, 98, 99, 2000, and in 2013 and 2014. There are at least 5 other times under Bowden in particular where losing to Miami cost the title shot. But if you look at it over the span over 125 years and ask which ACC member schools have put a potential national title team on the field you get Clemson at 8, and that's with voting discrimination against them in the 1950's. FSU at 7, Miami at 6, Pitt and GT at 5, MD and Duke at 2, and Syracuse, UNC, NC State, and VT at once over 125 years. (Actually Syracuse in 1987 and Clemson in 48 and 50 could make the list) That gives Clemson 10 and Syracuse 2.

But the point is this - ACC football is Clemson, not FSU.

(01-19-2024 04:18 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  If our cow-college upstate hick brothers Clem and Son say they need some money, by God the ACC will look after them because they ARE OUR BROTHER. FSU is just a nare-do-well, married into the family.

While this is a simplification, it's not a gross simplification. We remember who stuck with us when the SEC left, during the Bowl Ban, and during the 800 SAT requirement.

AND when the Gamecocks left in a huff and expected the Tigers to follow.


There is an element of respect in dealing with Clemson that is just not found in the relationship with Florida State.