But he took blame hisself in the presser though.

Every year, same ridiculous immature garbage! Snake bit, much!

(01-19-2024 12:09 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 10:57 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 09:51 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  The coach is never completely innocent, but do you think 21% from 3 on 28 attempts is acceptable? Many of those were open looks.

I doubt Penny told the players to get out hustled by the curly-haired white kid either. He beat us with shear effort, scoring 10 above his average b/c we couldn't stop fouling him.

Even with the terrible 3 point shooting, we would have won with more effort. I think the coach should be a motivator, but players need to be able to up their game and squash a team like that.

We just do the little things wrong constantly. Leaving the best shooter wide open. Leaving the best post player a wide open run at a dunk. Not putting a body on the same guy. He should put a lid on the baskets in practice and do rebounding drills and also have guys diving on the floor for loose balls. Everyone laughed when Cal said it but it’s true.

Perimeter defense and rebounding is definitely a problem. Oddly enough, we actually won the battle on the glass last night, but (per usual) we struggled to keep them off the offensive boards.

Sometimes the closeouts are too slow or passive. Other times, we have a big switched onto a guard or SF and that's a mismatch. All of the switching can definitely cause problems. When you can't guard people off the bounce, it forces you to have to play help defense and teams will just swing the ball until they find the open man.

My biggest qualm with the coaching is with the lineups. We let them back in the game playing a group of 2nd/3rd stringers. Even the commentator mentioned it. Whatever is going on between the starters/coach that caused this, they have to sort it out.

Penny's line-ups are baffling at best. Why he has 4-5 non-starters/contributors on the floor at the same time is hard to understand. Why do that in the first half of a conference game? Save that for the last 2 minutes of a 20 point blowout. As for our poor defense and rebounding, it's hard to put that on anyone other than the players. That's about effort.

(01-19-2024 12:34 PM)Steve davis Wrote:  But he took blame hisself in the presser though.

Then followed up that statement with excuses as to why things happened with an emphases on the players short comings.

What about us?
What about all the times you said you said the answers?

(01-19-2024 04:08 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 12:34 PM)Steve davis Wrote:  But he took blame hisself in the presser though.

Then followed up that statement with excuses as to why things happened with an emphases on the players short comings.

Sometimes reality is just not what you really want to hear.

Penny not gonna sit up there and lie to cover his own back. He don't keep that job because he needs the money. Be real.....We all been saying something was not right. He spells it out and people don't want to hear the truth.

So, he said it and I believe him. I think that some of these kids got attitudes that need a reboot.

(01-19-2024 10:17 PM)mapdude Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 04:08 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 12:34 PM)Steve davis Wrote:  But he took blame hisself in the presser though.

Then followed up that statement with excuses as to why things happened with an emphases on the players short comings.

Sometimes reality is just not what you really want to hear.

Penny not gonna sit up there and lie to cover his own back. He don't keep that job because he needs the money. Be real.....We all been saying something was not right. He spells it out and people don't want to hear the truth.

So, he said it and I believe him. I think that some of these kids got attitudes that need a reboot.

I truly believe if he had pull out a gun and shot someone during the press conference you would find a way to defend it.

He also said that he tried to call timeout three times on the last play, but the official wouldn't give it to him.

The video shows that he never even looked in the direction of an official much less tried to call timeout.


You may refuse to accept it but Penny has a narcissistic personality and cannot accept fault.

The 3 game suspension was a perfect example.

That was as cut and dry a violation as there ever was.

But he refused to admit it and fought it until finally there was nothing that could be done but accept it.

(01-19-2024 12:34 PM)Steve davis Wrote:  But he took blame hisself in the presser though.

Not really

So the tigers put this great resume together while being so dysfunctional. Beat the crap out of WSU while being so dysfunctional. Up 20 on South Florida while being so dysfunctional. Then South Florida coach makes halftime adjustments and tigers score only 25 points in 2nd half and blow 20 point lead. And I guess the reason is the team is still dysfunctional.

(01-20-2024 11:05 AM)ajk55 Wrote:  So the tigers put this great resume together while being so dysfunctional. Beat the crap out of WSU while being so dysfunctional. Up 20 on South Florida while being so dysfunctional. Then South Florida coach makes halftime adjustments and tigers score only 25 points in 2nd half and blow 20 point lead. And I guess the reason is the team is still dysfunctional.

You fallen asleep the past 7 games outside of Wichita State? This team has some major issues

Blowing 20 point lead to south Florida is similar to football team blowing 32-7 lead in 4th quarter to Houston in football game in 2022. But losing basketball game has much greater ramifications because of effect on getting into big dance.

(01-20-2024 09:05 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 10:17 PM)mapdude Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 04:08 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 12:34 PM)Steve davis Wrote:  But he took blame hisself in the presser though.

Then followed up that statement with excuses as to why things happened with an emphases on the players short comings.

Sometimes reality is just not what you really want to hear.

Penny not gonna sit up there and lie to cover his own back. He don't keep that job because he needs the money. Be real.....We all been saying something was not right. He spells it out and people don't want to hear the truth.

So, he said it and I believe him. I think that some of these kids got attitudes that need a reboot.

I truly believe if he had pull out a gun and shot someone during the press conference you would find a way to defend it.

He also said that he tried to call timeout three times on the last play, but the official wouldn't give it to him.

The video shows that he never even looked in the direction of an official much less tried to call timeout.


You may refuse to accept it but Penny has a narcissistic personality and cannot accept fault.

The 3 game suspension was a perfect example.

That was as cut and dry a violation as there ever was.

But he refused to admit it and fought it until finally there was nothing that could be done but accept it.

"Winning is hard!
USF Coach xyz and Tulane Coach Hunter are dear friends and HOF guys!
Their players are All American caliber!"

Feel better?

(01-23-2024 10:27 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-20-2024 09:05 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 10:17 PM)mapdude Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 04:08 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 12:34 PM)Steve davis Wrote:  But he took blame hisself in the presser though.

Then followed up that statement with excuses as to why things happened with an emphases on the players short comings.

Sometimes reality is just not what you really want to hear.

Penny not gonna sit up there and lie to cover his own back. He don't keep that job because he needs the money. Be real.....We all been saying something was not right. He spells it out and people don't want to hear the truth.

So, he said it and I believe him. I think that some of these kids got attitudes that need a reboot.

I truly believe if he had pull out a gun and shot someone during the press conference you would find a way to defend it.

He also said that he tried to call timeout three times on the last play, but the official wouldn't give it to him.

The video shows that he never even looked in the direction of an official much less tried to call timeout.


You may refuse to accept it but Penny has a narcissistic personality and cannot accept fault.

The 3 game suspension was a perfect example.

That was as cut and dry a violation as there ever was.

But he refused to admit it and fought it until finally there was nothing that could be done but accept it.

"Winning is hard!
USF Coach xyz and Tulane Coach Hunter are dear friends and HOF guys!
Their players are All American caliber!"

Feel better?

(01-19-2024 09:41 AM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 09:32 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  What miserable and toxic place this is.

No wonder so many tiger fans want nothing to do with it.

Don’t get me wrong— I want Penny to succeed. It would be so much easier if he gets it done and it would be better all the way around. But he shows the same shortcomings year after year.

lol
Do you really?
Seems you are most energized when things aren't going his way.

This idea that a good craftsman never blames his tools is silly. If the tool is the problem then it is the problem. Hence, why every top level professional is typically using top of the line tools and not amateur level tools. Because they make a massive difference...

Lay blame where it belongs. The "kids" are getting paid, have complete freedom of movement and essentially refuse to commit to any team for more than year, all as they wanted, but that changes the entire dynamic. It is not a coach's job to provide 100% protection of the anymore. If you want the rewards of adults then you get the responsibilities of adults, including acceptance of blame when appropriate. That is not to say Penny is blameless but if the most significant issue is attitudes, egos, etc. then it should be called out.

(01-23-2024 11:10 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  This idea that a good craftsman never blames his tools is silly. If the tool is the problem then it is the problem. Hence, why every top level professional is typically using top of the line tools and not amateur level tools. Because they make a massive difference...

Lay blame where it belongs. The "kids" are getting paid, have complete freedom of movement and essentially refuse to commit to any team for more than year, all as they wanted, but that changes the entire dynamic. It is not a coach's job to provide 100% protection of the anymore. If you want the rewards of adults then you get the responsibilities of adults, including acceptance of blame when appropriate. That is not to say Penny is blameless but if the most significant issue is attitudes, egos, etc. then it should be called out.

Absolutely.
I've heard Tiger Woods blame his irons, caddy, and balls on separate occasions.

His latest quotes are that they haven’t had the defensive intensity they normally have because the NCAA suspended him the first few games.

Talk about throwing your assistant coaches under the bus and again defusing blame to the NCAA. Every season he has excuses.

(01-23-2024 03:59 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  His latest quotes are that they haven’t had the defensive intensity they normally have because the NCAA suspended him the first few games.

Talk about throwing your assistant coaches under the bus and again defusing blame to the NCAA. Every season he has excuses.

The problem is: he needs excuses every season.

(01-19-2024 09:21 AM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  Also similar to the Ole Miss loss four years ago-- there were chemistry issues because Hardaway was trying to force Emoni Bates into the lineup. Now we see chemistry issues because he's trying to force his two sons into the lineup (admittedly, this is probably only fraction of our chemistry issues).

Just to clarify. He was STARTING Ashton at the beginning of the season and there were no apparent chemistry issues. The chemistry issues appeared after adding Tomlin into the lineup.

Against UVa, Jayden played 15 min and Ashton played 7 min, Tomlin played 0 min
Against USF, Jayden played 10 min and Ashton played 14 min, Tomlin played 31 min
Against Tulane, Jayden played 28 min, Ashton played 4 min, Tomlin played 20 min. JayKwon played 17 minutes in the first half. Assuming he didn't get hurt and had played 17 in the second half, Jayden might have only played around 15 min.

I don't think the problem is with the 2 Hardaways.

I like how people here are comparing inanimate objects used to build other inanimate objects to 18-25 year old kids most of whom are playing here for the first time after transferring in.

Top notch analogy.