I'm of the opinion that until fans are able to accept the landscape of college basketball (and football) as it is today, they just aren't going to be very happy with the state of our athletic programs. The NIL has destroyed our ability to compete on a consistent basis. Pull for the team every game, then move on to the next one, win or lose. If you can't do that, you're not going to be a very happy camper.

(02-17-2024 04:53 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  I'm of the opinion that until fans are able to accept the landscape of college basketball (and football) as it is today, they just aren't going to be very happy with the state of our athletic programs. The NIL has destroyed our ability to compete on a consistent basis. Pull for the team every game, then move on to the next one, win or lose. If you can't do that, you're not going to be a very happy camper.

Wheat, Rice, or Barley?

Which type of straw do you prefer grasping at?

Every school is having to play under these same conditions.




Here are the facts:

Fact 1: Penny isn't going anywhere until Penny decides.

Fact 2: See Fact 1.

(02-17-2024 05:06 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-17-2024 04:53 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  I'm of the opinion that until fans are able to accept the landscape of college basketball (and football) as it is today, they just aren't going to be very happy with the state of our athletic programs. The NIL has destroyed our ability to compete on a consistent basis. Pull for the team every game, then move on to the next one, win or lose. If you can't do that, you're not going to be a very happy camper.

Wheat, Rice, or Barley?

Which type of straw do you prefer grasping at?

Every school is having to play under these same conditions.




Here are the facts:

Fact 1: Penny isn't going anywhere until Penny decides.

Fact 2: See Fact 1.

We don't have the money to compete is a fact. Your fact #1 is your opinion, even though it is more than likely true.

(02-17-2024 04:53 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  I'm of the opinion that until fans are able to accept the landscape of college basketball (and football) as it is today, they just aren't going to be very happy with the state of our athletic programs. The NIL has destroyed our ability to compete on a consistent basis. Pull for the team every game, then move on to the next one, win or lose. If you can't do that, you're not going to be a very happy camper.

Great point. I know I don’t care like I used to

(02-17-2024 01:37 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  So the jest of the names listed

No black coach

lol

Ethnicity is not an issue for me. I will say it's a lot easier to look up potential football coaches as a fan than basketball coaches. Especially since it's easier to know what roles assistants have in football. The ones I looked at had potential opportunities in areas of the country they are familiar with or not likely to leave where they currently are at.

(02-17-2024 04:53 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  I'm of the opinion that until fans are able to accept the landscape of college basketball (and football) as it is today, they just aren't going to be very happy with the state of our athletic programs. The NIL has destroyed our ability to compete on a consistent basis. Pull for the team every game, then move on to the next one, win or lose. If you can't do that, you're not going to be a very happy camper.

Considering some of the players Penny has landed I can't agree with that.

(02-17-2024 06:10 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(02-17-2024 04:53 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  I'm of the opinion that until fans are able to accept the landscape of college basketball (and football) as it is today, they just aren't going to be very happy with the state of our athletic programs. The NIL has destroyed our ability to compete on a consistent basis. Pull for the team every game, then move on to the next one, win or lose. If you can't do that, you're not going to be a very happy camper.

Considering some of the players Penny has landed I can't agree with that.

How many Escalades did we have on campus during Cal's last four years?

It looked like a Cadillac dealership around the men's basketball residence.

If we need NIL money for MBB, it will be found.

I wish they'd make ron hunter an offer.
He'd do great with memphis reaources

(02-17-2024 06:36 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-17-2024 06:10 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(02-17-2024 04:53 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  I'm of the opinion that until fans are able to accept the landscape of college basketball (and football) as it is today, they just aren't going to be very happy with the state of our athletic programs. The NIL has destroyed our ability to compete on a consistent basis. Pull for the team every game, then move on to the next one, win or lose. If you can't do that, you're not going to be a very happy camper.

Considering some of the players Penny has landed I can't agree with that.

How many Escalades did we have on campus during Cal's last four years?

It looked like a Cadillac dealership around the men's basketball residence.

If we need NIL money for MBB, it will be found.

The players were working at an auto dealership, and they got to drive the demos as perks of employment.

(02-17-2024 06:50 PM)Willie Becton Wrote:  I wish they'd make ron hunter an offer.
He'd do great with memphis reaources

Ya know, that's not a terrible idea. In fact I would be good with that

(02-17-2024 06:50 PM)Willie Becton Wrote:  I wish they'd make ron hunter an offer.
He'd do great with memphis reaources

Smh he’s got 3 fantastic players in James, Forbes and Cross. He’s even behind us in the standings. Do you people actually think before you post ?

Ron Hunter smh good grief

My thought is that if Penny felt he could not do the job....he would resign. He is that kind of person. No need to fire him, has too much blue and gray in him to stay on if he feels he cannot do the job.
Replacement...Dusty May from FAU. He is being paid $1.25 million at FAU. He just got a 10-year contract extension and it has a $1.5 million buyout the first year.

(02-18-2024 10:46 AM)DallasTiger Wrote:  My thought is that if Penny felt he could not do the job....he would resign. He is that kind of person. No need to fire him, has too much blue and gray in him to stay on if he feels he cannot do the job.
Replacement...Dusty May from FAU. He is being paid $1.25 million at FAU. He just got a 10-year contract extension and it has a $1.5 million buyout the first year.

He's unable to accept losing a game without trying to blame someone else.

No way he will ever even consider that he is unable to do the job.

(02-18-2024 11:42 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-18-2024 10:46 AM)DallasTiger Wrote:  My thought is that if Penny felt he could not do the job....he would resign. He is that kind of person. No need to fire him, has too much blue and gray in him to stay on if he feels he cannot do the job.
Replacement...Dusty May from FAU. He is being paid $1.25 million at FAU. He just got a 10-year contract extension and it has a $1.5 million buyout the first year.

He's unable to accept losing a game without trying to blame someone else.

No way he will ever even consider that he is unable to do the job.

Yep.

(02-17-2024 10:44 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 05:16 PM)former guest Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 04:44 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 04:26 PM)mapdude Wrote:  The way things have changed and are still changing in College sports, I would just sit tight for a while and see where the sports go.

Gonna be a really tough situation if it comes down to replacing Penny. It will probably not be as easy as running Josh out of town. I think we still owe Georgia Tech some draft picks in the future for agreeing to take him off our hands. Getting rid of Tubby was deemed worth the expense. I agreed.

So the real question is, how many more years does Penny have to get it right and can he do it at all? Every year has been a different experiment and he has had to try and figure out the solutions on the fly.

We tried the mass of young one and done's, the young superstars, the mass of local heroes, the mass of veteran out of towner's that were gunners with multiple years of being the alpha dog on their teams, the mixture of the different groups. 6 years of experimentation.

Penny has this idea of how to play the game using players of his own calibre, but can't seem to adapt his coaching to what his players can actually do. Is that because he is a bad judgment of the players capabilities or not a good teacher? I don't have the answer.

People used to complain the Cal was unable to adjust his coaching to his players capabilities. So, nothing new here...

So, what is the consensus on how long is enough time for Penny to succeed? At what point do we say, fish or cut bait?

Unless he pulls a Tic Price with a CoEd then he is here until he wants to leave.

Have a feeling he could even get a pass with a CoEd.

Unless he burns out he will be here until he has the most wins in Tigers history.

I figure he is just half way through his career as Tigers coach.

I think he will be the last Tigers coach of my lifetime.

I have a different thought: I think he coaches until Ashton is out of eligibility. When that happens, he will have completed his task of seeing his kids play D1 basketball and being their coach for the journey. I don't honestly know - does he have another kid he has to get through the process? I don't think he would know how to coach if he didn't have to find PT for his kids and their friends.

I think that's pretty cynical. I really believe Penny when he talks about the dream he and Dez had about coaching the Tigers and bringing them back to prominence. I truly believes he's in this (mostly) for the city and for the players.

I can't help but wonder if his idea of getting guys ready for the NBA is to teach them NBA style of play here. The NBA style doesn't work in college. You can be loaded with NBA talent, sure. But they still have to play the college game.

Actually the USF coach might be a good place to start............or the FAU coach.

(02-17-2024 07:12 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(02-17-2024 06:36 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-17-2024 06:10 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(02-17-2024 04:53 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  I'm of the opinion that until fans are able to accept the landscape of college basketball (and football) as it is today, they just aren't going to be very happy with the state of our athletic programs. The NIL has destroyed our ability to compete on a consistent basis. Pull for the team every game, then move on to the next one, win or lose. If you can't do that, you're not going to be a very happy camper.

Considering some of the players Penny has landed I can't agree with that.

How many Escalades did we have on campus during Cal's last four years?

It looked like a Cadillac dealership around the men's basketball residence.

If we need NIL money for MBB, it will be found.

The players were working at an auto dealership, and they got to drive the demos as perks of employment.

Kidding, right? I thought players were not permitted to hold jobs.

Anyone that thinks Penny is going to be fired anytime soon is stupid or crazy , maybe both (unless he has a skeleton in his closet that we dont know about right now)


Anyone that thinks that there is a shortage of good coaches who would take the job tomorrow is stupid..


I think there is a decent chance Penny quits after next year , I have nothing solid on this just watching the way things are going....

(02-18-2024 09:13 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Ron Hunter smh good grief

That's bc you don't know ish about it

You prove it daily