Perhaps the biggest, bad surprise is GT. They did not have the FSU boost, but they had some competitive games including the dramatic Miami game while finishing 6-6. The game against Clemson drew a measly 1.62 and this is supposed to be their main conference rival.

(02-20-2024 05:06 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Perhaps the biggest, bad surprise is GT. They did not have the FSU boost, but they had some competitive games including the dramatic Miami game while finishing 6-6. The game against Clemson drew a measly 1.62 and this is supposed to be their main conference rival.

GT didn't have a very attractive schedule to the fanbase and the Bowling Green game would have sucked all the air out of the room if they weren't gifted one by the Hurricanes. That gift was what their bowl season ultimately rode on after crapping away the BGSU game.

Keep in mind Geoff Collins cratered the program. Coach Clown was the least winning head coach to have ever led Georgia Tech football. Even Bill Lewis, who many GT fans refuse to name out loud for ruining the 1990 Natty team in less than 2 years, won more games. UNC saw this work and thought ... yes .... YESSSSSSSS ... this is our savior. Our Ed McMahon for Mack Brown Carson.

Regarding the Clemson game not being what it use to ... GT hasn't held up its end of the bargain since 2014. Under Collins' mismanagement GT might as well have been a FCS game for Clemson.

PSU - 11 rated games - 3.67 avg
FSU - 11 rated games - 3.90 avg

Would be curious to find ND numbers as a comparison.

(02-18-2024 08:27 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I like graphs.


Tm Avg graph
FSU 3.42 **********************************
Mia 2.88 ****************************
Clem 2.85 ****************************
Duke 2.10 *********************
VT 1.90 *******************
Lou 1.66 ****************
UNC 1.65 ****************
BC 1.48 **************
Syr 1.20 ************
NCS 1.10 ***********
Pitt 1.07 **********
GT 0.97 *********
UVA 0.77 *******
WFU 0.75 *******

Don't Sleep on GT as second year of Goof Collins being gone will improve rating and fans support on the Flats!

(02-18-2024 08:27 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I like graphs.


Tm Avg graph
FSU 3.42 **********************************
Mia 2.88 ****************************
Clem 2.85 ****************************
Duke 2.10 *********************
VT 1.90 *******************
Lou 1.66 ****************
UNC 1.65 ****************
BC 1.48 **************
Syr 1.20 ************
NCS 1.10 ***********
Pitt 1.07 **********
GT 0.97 *********
UVA 0.77 *******
WFU 0.75 *******

JUST U WAIT

The ACC could help themselves in the ratings, the main thing is to quit losing to those pesky G5 schools, the ACC might just get a few more prime time games with a ranking next to their name. I’m grateful to have the CW as a ACCN overflow, I thoroughly enjoyed each game aired.

There are definitely a few teams that were a ratings black hole. How can you possibly change that?

(02-21-2024 01:34 PM)green Wrote:  

(02-18-2024 08:27 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I like graphs.


Tm Avg graph
FSU 3.42 **********************************
Mia 2.88 ****************************
Clem 2.85 ****************************
Duke 2.10 *********************
VT 1.90 *******************
Lou 1.66 ****************
UNC 1.65 ****************
BC 1.48 **************
Syr 1.20 ************
NCS 1.10 ***********
Pitt 1.07 **********
GT 0.97 *********
UVA 0.77 *******
WFU 0.75 *******

JUST U WAIT

LOL. Never change, green!

B1G - inter-conference games only

Illi - 8 rated games - 1.07 avg
Indi - 8 rated games - 1.68 avg
Iowa -7 rated games - 2.13 avg
Mary - 8 rated games - 1.97 avg
Mich - 8 rated games - 6.19 avg
MSU - 9 rated games - 1.90 avg
Minn - 9 rated games - 1.94 avg
Neb - 8 rated games - 2.33 avg
NW - 6 rated games - 0.83 avg
OSU - 8 rated games - 6.57 avg
PSU - 9 rated games - 4.02 avg
Purd - 6 rated games - 1.11 avg
Rutg - 7 rated games - 1.57 avg
Wisc - 8 rated games - 1.73 avg

SEC inter-conference games only

Ala - 8 rated games - 5.90
Ark - 5 rated games - 2.46
Aub - 5 rated games - 4.41
Fla - 5 rated games - 3.40
Ga - 8 rated games - 5.06
Ken - 4 rated games - 2.68
LSU - 6 rated games - 3.79
Miss - 5 rated games - 3.35
Mizz - 5 rated games - 3.86
MSU - 4 rated games - 1.94
SC - 2 rated games - 3.66
Tam - 7 rated games - 3.62
Ten - 5 rated games - 4.19
Van - 1 rated games - 2.0

ACC inter-conference games only

BC - 5 rated games - 1.48 avg
Clem- 6 rated games - 2.85 avg
Duke- 5 rated games - 2.10 avg
FSU - 8 rated games - 3.42 avg
GT - 4 rated games - 0.97 avg
Lou - 5 rated games - 1.66 avg
Mia - 4 rated games - 2.88 avg
NC - 4 rated games - 1.65 avg
NCST-4 rated games - 1.10 avg
Pitt - 4 rated games - 1.07 avg
SU - 6 rated games - 1.20 avg
Virg - 6 rated games - 0.77 avg
VT - 2 rated games - 1.90 avg
Wake- 5 rated games - 0.75 avg

I have a few suggestions that would help boost ACC ratings, if the ACC's goal is to be thought of as a peer of the SEC and B1G. I hope to get to that later.

(02-20-2024 08:35 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  PSU - 11 rated games - 3.67 avg
FSU - 11 rated games - 3.90 avg

Would be curious to find ND numbers as a comparison.

Didn't find that, but saw these graphs on 2016-23 TV viewers on Tony Altimore's X page:




Games drawing over 4 million viewers: ND 24, FSU 15.




Total viewers: ND 280 million, FSU 185 million.

(02-22-2024 09:25 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(02-20-2024 08:35 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  PSU - 11 rated games - 3.67 avg
FSU - 11 rated games - 3.90 avg

Would be curious to find ND numbers as a comparison.

Didn't find that, but saw these graphs on 2016-23 TV viewers on Tony Altimore's X page:




Games drawing over 4 million viewers: ND 24, FSU 15. Clemson 18




Total viewers: ND 280 million, FSU 185 million. Clemson 200 million

what's your point ...

GLARING OMISSION

(02-22-2024 08:00 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I have a few suggestions that would help boost ACC ratings, if the ACC's goal is to be thought of as a peer of the SEC and B1G. I hope to get to that later.

The main thing I noticed from compiling all of these ratings is how much 1 team can boost or drag down the the ratings for the other teams they play and it is super boosted when 2 big brands play each other like tOSU vs ND was a near 10.0.

OOC games vs other Ps generally do better than inter-conference games. I'm sure that's not a revelation, but it's something that I can confirm looking through everything. This is especially true for the ACC.

The ACC did well in the ratings in those early season games where there was little or no competition. Even teams that usually get bad ratings did well; Duke did exceptionally well thanks in large part to that Sunday game vs Clemson (4.39) and Saturday night games vs FSU (4.08) and vs ND (5.32). What can we learn? Those odd game days are a great time to showcase the ACC especially early in the season when everybody is salivating for football. My suggestion is to continue with the early season Sunday and Monday (Labor Day) games, but make it ACC vs ACC (rather than LSU vs FSU) with the bigger brands helping out the lesser brands. The week 0 Ireland game FSU vs GT is a good example of this.

The ACC has good rivalry games that get overshadowed, VT vs UVA might can be moved to Thursday (Turkey day) and UNC vs NCSU to Friday, it would help visibility a lot.

The ACC should drop a conference game and schedule more OOC games. They can go big or just get the easy win vs a G5 and stay in the hunt for a bowl bid. The average inter-conference ACC game draws around 1.0m, often times much less. Most ACC schools should simply pad their win total with a G5; Wake vs ASU, UNC vs ECU, FSU vs FAU, Miami vs USF, VT vs ODU, etc. could even be annual and get 2-1, 3-1 in favor of the ACC and hopefully win better than 80% of these.

(02-22-2024 10:22 AM)green Wrote:  

(02-22-2024 09:25 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(02-20-2024 08:35 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  PSU - 11 rated games - 3.67 avg
FSU - 11 rated games - 3.90 avg

Would be curious to find ND numbers as a comparison.

Didn't find that, but saw these graphs on 2016-23 TV viewers on Tony Altimore's X page:




Games drawing over 4 million viewers: ND 24, FSU 15. Clemson 18




Total viewers: ND 280 million, FSU 185 million. Clemson 200 million

what's your point ...

GLARING OMISSION

Green,

Is the glaring omission Vandy 0 games drawing over 4 million viewers & Vandy 20 million total viewers??

(02-22-2024 10:22 AM)green Wrote:  

(02-22-2024 09:25 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(02-20-2024 08:35 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  PSU - 11 rated games - 3.67 avg
FSU - 11 rated games - 3.90 avg

Would be curious to find ND numbers as a comparison.

Didn't find that, but saw these graphs on 2016-23 TV viewers on Tony Altimore's X page:




Games drawing over 4 million viewers: ND 24, FSU 15. Clemson 18




Total viewers: ND 280 million, FSU 185 million. Clemson 200 million

what's your point ...

GLARING OMISSION

Who mentioned Clemson? He didn't.

He asked ND numbers compared to FSU numbers.

Since when did making a point ever matter to you?

Maybe a bit late now, but the ACC/ESPN could arrange FSU to be Independent in football because OOC games typically do better in the ratings than inter-conference games. If it was similar to ND's arrangement, FSU could do 6 games guaranteeing the ACC 3 annual games in it's jurisdiction. A piece of FSU is better than nothing at all.

I would suggest this: ND annually plays Stan, Pitt, BC and rotate everyone else. FSU annually plays Miami, Clem, GT and rotate everyone else. Pitt, BC, Stan would not play FSU and Clem, UM and GT would not play ND because they would have annual games vs an Indy. That leaves 10 others to split 5 OOC games. So in other words, the teams that don't get annuals would get a bi-annual vs FSU or ND, that does not sound bad to me. Also the ACC drops down to 7 conference games.

(02-23-2024 08:19 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Maybe a bit late now, but the ACC/ESPN could arrange FSU to be Independent in football because OOC games typically do better in the ratings than inter-conference games. If it was similar to ND's arrangement, FSU could do 6 games guaranteeing the ACC 3 annual games in it's jurisdiction. A piece of FSU is better than nothing at all.

I would suggest this: ND annually plays Stan, Pitt, BC and rotate everyone else. FSU annually plays Miami, Clem, GT and rotate everyone else. Pitt, BC, Stan would not play FSU and Clem, UM and GT would not play ND because they would have annual games vs an Indy. That leaves 10 others to split 5 OOC games. So in other words, the teams that don't get annuals would get a bi-annual vs FSU or ND, that does not sound bad to me. Also the ACC drops down to 7 conference games.

I don't see ESPN agreeing to just 7 conference games. Other than that, this idea has some merit for the ACC (at least it's not D.O.A.)

(02-23-2024 09:32 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-23-2024 08:19 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Maybe a bit late now, but the ACC/ESPN could arrange FSU to be Independent in football because OOC games typically do better in the ratings than inter-conference games. If it was similar to ND's arrangement, FSU could do 6 games guaranteeing the ACC 3 annual games in it's jurisdiction. A piece of FSU is better than nothing at all.

I would suggest this: ND annually plays Stan, Pitt, BC and rotate everyone else. FSU annually plays Miami, Clem, GT and rotate everyone else. Pitt, BC, Stan would not play FSU and Clem, UM and GT would not play ND because they would have annual games vs an Indy. That leaves 10 others to split 5 OOC games. So in other words, the teams that don't get annuals would get a bi-annual vs FSU or ND, that does not sound bad to me. Also the ACC drops down to 7 conference games.

I don't see ESPN agreeing to just 7 conference games. Other than that, this idea has some merit for the ACC (at least it's not D.O.A.)

ACC conference games don't do well in the ratings, so they can replace the 8th conference game with a G5 and hopefully an auto-win. ESPN can't really market a 3-2 team vs a 3-2 team, but if both teams are 4-1, then it looks more marketable and might get a better time slot. In other words, perhaps vs 2 G5 games get a combined 500k rather than 1 conference game that get's 1m. You make it up with the next game with better looking records and a possible ranking next to your name plus an extra win between the 2 teams.

(02-23-2024 09:46 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(02-23-2024 09:32 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-23-2024 08:19 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Maybe a bit late now, but the ACC/ESPN could arrange FSU to be Independent in football because OOC games typically do better in the ratings than inter-conference games. If it was similar to ND's arrangement, FSU could do 6 games guaranteeing the ACC 3 annual games in it's jurisdiction. A piece of FSU is better than nothing at all.

I would suggest this: ND annually plays Stan, Pitt, BC and rotate everyone else. FSU annually plays Miami, Clem, GT and rotate everyone else. Pitt, BC, Stan would not play FSU and Clem, UM and GT would not play ND because they would have annual games vs an Indy. That leaves 10 others to split 5 OOC games. So in other words, the teams that don't get annuals would get a bi-annual vs FSU or ND, that does not sound bad to me. Also the ACC drops down to 7 conference games.

I don't see ESPN agreeing to just 7 conference games. Other than that, this idea has some merit for the ACC (at least it's not D.O.A.)

ACC conference games don't do well in the ratings, so they can replace the 8th conference game with a G5 and hopefully an auto-win. ESPN can't really market a 3-2 team vs a 3-2 team, but if both teams are 4-1, then it looks more marketable and might get a better time slot. In other words, perhaps vs 2 G5 games get a combined 500k rather than 1 conference game that get's 1m. You make it up with the next game with better looking records and a possible ranking next to your name plus an extra win between the 2 teams.

If ACC teams who are not in the national title hunt would simply schedule for 4 OOC wins (note: Duke has done a nice job of this lately, and so has Wake Forest until this season), you get most of the benefit without losing an ACC game.

(02-23-2024 06:03 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-23-2024 09:46 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(02-23-2024 09:32 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-23-2024 08:19 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Maybe a bit late now, but the ACC/ESPN could arrange FSU to be Independent in football because OOC games typically do better in the ratings than inter-conference games. If it was similar to ND's arrangement, FSU could do 6 games guaranteeing the ACC 3 annual games in it's jurisdiction. A piece of FSU is better than nothing at all.

I would suggest this: ND annually plays Stan, Pitt, BC and rotate everyone else. FSU annually plays Miami, Clem, GT and rotate everyone else. Pitt, BC, Stan would not play FSU and Clem, UM and GT would not play ND because they would have annual games vs an Indy. That leaves 10 others to split 5 OOC games. So in other words, the teams that don't get annuals would get a bi-annual vs FSU or ND, that does not sound bad to me. Also the ACC drops down to 7 conference games.

I don't see ESPN agreeing to just 7 conference games. Other than that, this idea has some merit for the ACC (at least it's not D.O.A.)

ACC conference games don't do well in the ratings, so they can replace the 8th conference game with a G5 and hopefully an auto-win. ESPN can't really market a 3-2 team vs a 3-2 team, but if both teams are 4-1, then it looks more marketable and might get a better time slot. In other words, perhaps vs 2 G5 games get a combined 500k rather than 1 conference game that get's 1m. You make it up with the next game with better looking records and a possible ranking next to your name plus an extra win between the 2 teams.

If ACC teams who are not in the national title hunt would simply schedule for 4 OOC wins (note: Duke has done a nice job of this lately, and so has Wake Forest until this season), you get most of the benefit without losing an ACC game.

They have done smart scheduling as of recent, ND is something they and other ACC schools have to navigate.