(02-21-2024 09:11 AM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 04:02 AM)Rufus T. Firefly Wrote:  

(02-20-2024 06:42 PM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  

(02-20-2024 06:14 PM)Tiger5 Wrote:  The only reason the criticism has not been worse is because our coach is Penny and he's a Memphian, plus we have that history of how Larry was handled. If these recent games were happening under Pastner or Cal or just about anyone else after 6 years of not making the 2nd weekend in the NCAA tournament, i promise you the media and criticism would be much much more worse and would probably be fired after the end of the season.

Penny has 4 years left on his contract so he isn't going to be fired .... just saying ...

Do you think every coach that is ever fired is in the last year of their contract? His buyout may be very manageable.

The University is scrambling to find NIL $$$'s; where do you think buyout money would come from ??? Penny is here until Penny doesn't WANT to be here ...

The stadium fund is going to take a big bite out of our future booster donations.

(02-21-2024 06:52 AM)ImaTiger Wrote:  I swear to you, Larry Finch and Wayne Yates did the same thing, felt the same way; they were devastated by the public criticism. This has all happened before. Almost word for word... crazy really.

I am not saying Penny and they didn't earn the feedback they got... they flat did. But they are family, they care more, they hear more, they try harder, it hurts more for everyone when it doesn't work out. And it never seems to work out.

Can we all promise each other, that no one on this board will ever advocate for a former player to be our head coach again (asst seems fine)? Lets get some hired gun in here that we can eviscerate at will.

Former player coach never works.

It does not work. The inevitable split is always acrimonious & divides the fan base.

(02-20-2024 04:06 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  Per himself last night at his radio show

https://dailymemphian.com/subscriber/sec...ion-to-win

"I put us in position to win every single night — I can't get out on the court and play as well."

"I knew when I got this job that I was gonna be a target. ... I get a lot of negativity. We win 10 games and lose one, it's gonna be the worst loss in the world."

I saw this and was instantly disappointed. Every coach is a target for negativity. You're the leader of the team. We can understand if players aren't playing to the gameplans set, but simply doesn't absolve him from him not being able to coach through it. There is a massive breakdown in communication and either Penny is unable to figure out how to work through it, or is unwilling to make alterations to his approaches based on the teams he assembles.

Either way, this whining is a problem and makes it seem even more so that his teams reflect his personality, and maybe he is not recognizing it. Or if he is, not willing to reflect on himself critically enough to fix it. This team seems like a team of whiners and egos, and these type of comments reflect Penny's own whining and protection of his ego.

It's not a good look.

I thought the idea was to spot the problem and fix it. Problems appear to be overall defense, defending the 3 and turnovers.

(02-21-2024 11:23 AM)TylerTiger Wrote:  

(02-20-2024 04:06 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  Per himself last night at his radio show

https://dailymemphian.com/subscriber/sec...ion-to-win

"I put us in position to win every single night — I can't get out on the court and play as well."

"I knew when I got this job that I was gonna be a target. ... I get a lot of negativity. We win 10 games and lose one, it's gonna be the worst loss in the world."

I saw this and was instantly disappointed. Every coach is a target for negativity. You're the leader of the team. We can understand if players aren't playing to the gameplans set, but simply doesn't absolve him from him not being able to coach through it. There is a massive breakdown in communication and either Penny is unable to figure out how to work through it, or is unwilling to make alterations to his approaches based on the teams he assembles.

Either way, this whining is a problem and makes it seem even more so that his teams reflect his personality, and maybe he is not recognizing it. Or if he is, not willing to reflect on himself critically enough to fix it. This team seems like a team of whiners and egos, and these type of comments reflect Penny's own whining and protection of his ego.

It's not a good look.

I think that can be said about pretty every team Penny has had here, short of a few individual player exceptions...

It’s really disappointing to hear him say that and neglect responsibility. Every coach deals with the same thing. Why can other coaches get their game plan across to their players? If it’s the players not executing, it’s on Penny. If the players are executing what he has taught them and we’re not successful, it’s still on him. I thought he was bigger than that. We need another coach.

I wouldn't want a job that is purely outcome based (only winning matters) and that outcome is dictated by the performances of 18-22yo boys, most of which are away from home for the first time. AND it's governed by the NCAA hacks on an unlevel playing field.

I listened to his post game show yesterday. Reporter asked him about substituting in the first 2 minutes of the game, and he interrupted to argue that he was trying to find people who would box out, then quoted the rebounding differential 10 minutes in?? Made him look stupid as hell

(02-21-2024 02:09 PM)Gusrob2.0 Wrote:  I wouldn't want a job that is purely outcome based (only winning matters) and that outcome is dictated by the performances of 18-22yo boys, most of which are away from home for the first time. AND it's governed by the NCAA hacks on an unlevel playing field.

But that's why the job pays millions of dollars a year. Coaches can turn it down at any time. I'm sure some coaches must have decided not to pursue head coaching jobs at big programs because of that.

If anyone agrees with Penny about him being trearted unfaifly , they are morons..

I give him a pass becasue it is easy to be upset when criticized rightly or wrongly... an dPenny is very thin skinned.

Penny was unfairly critized by the national media his first couple of seasons-- he has been treated with kid gloves by the local media and still is.


I think Penny is a good coach but he has to:

1- learn how to recruit without over promising

2- take Conference opponents seriously-- I believe this is the cause of much of this teams problems -- they STUPIDLY thought the conference games would be easier than the OOC games-- they got this idea straight from Penny

3- Stop subbing like a madman..

4- STOP coddling players and NEVER EVER take back another QUITTER

(02-21-2024 11:42 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  If anyone agrees with Penny about him being trearted unfaifly , they are morons..

I give him a pass becasue it is easy to be upset when criticized rightly or wrongly... an dPenny is very thin skinned.

Penny was unfairly critized by the national media his first couple of seasons-- he has been treated with kid gloves by the local media and still is.


I think Penny is a good coach but he has to:

1- learn how to recruit without over promising

2- take Conference opponents seriously-- I believe this is the cause of much of this teams problems -- they STUPIDLY thought the conference games would be easier than the OOC games-- they got this idea straight from Penny

3- Stop subbing like a madman..

4- STOP coddling players and NEVER EVER take back another QUITTER

I agree with you on 2). I think Penny underestimated the conf teams and his words helped fuel that thought to the players. He said it to stress the importance of the non-conf games (which were important), but it made it seem like they should cakewalk thru the conf schedule.

(02-21-2024 10:28 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 06:52 AM)ImaTiger Wrote:  I swear to you, Larry Finch and Wayne Yates did the same thing, felt the same way; they were devastated by the public criticism. This has all happened before. Almost word for word... crazy really.

I am not saying Penny and they didn't earn the feedback they got... they flat did. But they are family, they care more, they hear more, they try harder, it hurts more for everyone when it doesn't work out. And it never seems to work out.

Can we all promise each other, that no one on this board will ever advocate for a former player to be our head coach again (asst seems fine)? Lets get some hired gun in here that we can eviscerate at will.

Former player coach never works.

It does not work. The inevitable split is always acrimonious & divides the fan base.

Jim Boeheim, Roy Williams...of course, those guys were not the greatest basketball player to ever play at those schools; so Penny is different in that case.

I'm the King of Wishful Thinking.

Jason Munz postgame:

Penny says the offense gets "too wild" sometimes. "So today, I put together a set of plays. I scripted the whole entire game, switching up defenses and putting in a set of plays offensively."

(02-22-2024 08:23 AM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  Jason Munz postgame:

Penny says the offense gets "too wild" sometimes. "So today, I put together a set of plays. I scripted the whole entire game, switching up defenses and putting in a set of plays offensively."

Of course he did…..

As Verno said the other day...Every coach we've ever had in my lifetime have said similar things. Take out Penny's name and put in Kirk, Finch, Tic, Cal, Josh, Tubby - and you could hear everyone of them saying it.

(02-20-2024 06:14 PM)Tiger5 Wrote:  The only reason the criticism has not been worse is because our coach is Penny and he's a Memphian, plus we have that history of how Larry was handled. If these recent games were happening under Pastner or Cal or just about anyone else after 6 years of not making the 2nd weekend in the NCAA tournament, i promise you the media and criticism would be much much more worse and would probably be fired after the end of the season.

How many tournaments has he gone 0-fer in?
I count 4 so far - not 6.
The fact is, he's been to 2 out of 4 tournaments - and got VERY close to 2nd weekend in both of them. Much closer than Pastner or Tubby ever got.
Plus he's a favorite son who loves the city and university, and deserves a bit more latitude than Cal or Pastner.

(02-21-2024 11:43 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 11:23 AM)TylerTiger Wrote:  

(02-20-2024 04:06 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  Per himself last night at his radio show

https://dailymemphian.com/subscriber/sec...ion-to-win

"I put us in position to win every single night — I can't get out on the court and play as well."

"I knew when I got this job that I was gonna be a target. ... I get a lot of negativity. We win 10 games and lose one, it's gonna be the worst loss in the world."

I saw this and was instantly disappointed. Every coach is a target for negativity. You're the leader of the team. We can understand if players aren't playing to the gameplans set, but simply doesn't absolve him from him not being able to coach through it. There is a massive breakdown in communication and either Penny is unable to figure out how to work through it, or is unwilling to make alterations to his approaches based on the teams he assembles.

Either way, this whining is a problem and makes it seem even more so that his teams reflect his personality, and maybe he is not recognizing it. Or if he is, not willing to reflect on himself critically enough to fix it. This team seems like a team of whiners and egos, and these type of comments reflect Penny's own whining and protection of his ego.

It's not a good look.

I think that can be said about pretty every team Penny has had here, short of a few individual player exceptions...

I dunno. Last year was pretty solid. Kennedy had some ego issues, but it didn't really impact the team. Every sports team is going to have 1 or a few.
This year is a whole nother level.

(02-23-2024 10:04 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-20-2024 06:14 PM)Tiger5 Wrote:  The only reason the criticism has not been worse is because our coach is Penny and he's a Memphian, plus we have that history of how Larry was handled. If these recent games were happening under Pastner or Cal or just about anyone else after 6 years of not making the 2nd weekend in the NCAA tournament, i promise you the media and criticism would be much much more worse and would probably be fired after the end of the season.

How many tournaments has he gone 0-fer in?
I count 4 so far - not 6.
The fact is, he's been to 2 out of 4 tournaments - and got VERY close to 2nd weekend in both of them. Much closer than Pastner or Tubby ever got.
Plus he's a favorite son who loves the city and university, and deserves a bit more latitude than Cal or Pastner.

People don’t get it and never will.

(02-21-2024 11:42 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  If anyone agrees with Penny about him being trearted unfaifly , they are morons..

I give him a pass becasue it is easy to be upset when criticized rightly or wrongly... an dPenny is very thin skinned.

Penny was unfairly critized by the national media his first couple of seasons-- he has been treated with kid gloves by the local media and still is.


I think Penny is a good coach but he has to:

1- learn how to recruit without over promising

2- take Conference opponents seriously-- I believe this is the cause of much of this teams problems -- they STUPIDLY thought the conference games would be easier than the OOC games-- they got this idea straight from Penny

3- Stop subbing like a madman..

4- STOP coddling players and NEVER EVER take back another QUITTER

Good post.
I think your first point is interesting because recruiting is changing with NIL. All about the $$$. Last year it worked for Penny with Kendrick and some role players - Damaria, Elijah, Kennedy (not so much with Kao). This year it blew up on him. Will be interesting to see this recruiting class.