(03-18-2024 09:00 AM)PGJMU Wrote:  preach brother - the NCAA uses subterfuge to get the P5s in. they have 4 - 5 criteria which they emphasize or deemphasize to get to the outcome they want. Namely - More p5 schools. As a last resort, they will use the "eye" test.

again - they need to restrict the number of home games a team can schedule to force more opps for the mids

i would be open to expanding the tournament, except it would only mean more p5s

Sadly, you've already addressed why this won't happen. "They" won't restrict anything that evens the playing field (disadvantages P5 schools) because the money flows upward. "They" could also legislate NET as the primary - or ENTIRE - at-large selection criteria. But they won't because the eye test lets them do whatever they want.

They have said the NET is not a criteria that the committee uses to pick teams which raises the question on why it was ever created and why they use the quadrants then in their selections. Of course they ignore the Q1/2 wins when those wins are mid major teams.

(03-18-2024 10:19 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  They have said the NET is not a criteria that the committee uses to pick teams which raises the question on why it was ever created and why they use the quadrants then in their selections. Of course they ignore the Q1/2 wins when those wins are mid major teams.

Exactly. It's only used to justify whatever they want to do.

One thing I don't understand though is why the Mountain West gets so much love from the committee. Seriously, six teams for a conference that has routinely disappointed in March? I expect more of the same this year.

(03-18-2024 10:15 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 09:00 AM)PGJMU Wrote:  preach brother - the NCAA uses subterfuge to get the P5s in. they have 4 - 5 criteria which they emphasize or deemphasize to get to the outcome they want. Namely - More p5 schools. As a last resort, they will use the "eye" test.

again - they need to restrict the number of home games a team can schedule to force more opps for the mids

i would be open to expanding the tournament, except it would only mean more p5s

Sadly, you've already addressed why this won't happen. "They" won't restrict anything that evens the playing field (disadvantages P5 schools) because the money flows upward. "They" could also legislate NET as the primary - or ENTIRE - at-large selection criteria. But they won't because the eye test lets them do whatever they want.

What eye in hell justifies UVA getting in this season? If you wanted to do that at least St. John's is a fun team to watch and beat a handful of quality opponents in the past month.

(03-18-2024 10:48 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 10:15 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 09:00 AM)PGJMU Wrote:  preach brother - the NCAA uses subterfuge to get the P5s in. they have 4 - 5 criteria which they emphasize or deemphasize to get to the outcome they want. Namely - More p5 schools. As a last resort, they will use the "eye" test.

again - they need to restrict the number of home games a team can schedule to force more opps for the mids

i would be open to expanding the tournament, except it would only mean more p5s

Sadly, you've already addressed why this won't happen. "They" won't restrict anything that evens the playing field (disadvantages P5 schools) because the money flows upward. "They" could also legislate NET as the primary - or ENTIRE - at-large selection criteria. But they won't because the eye test lets them do whatever they want.

What eye in hell justifies UVA getting in this season? If you wanted to do that at least St. John's is a fun team to watch and beat a handful of quality opponents in the past month.

you guys are using your Anti-UVA hatred and bias to justify some other team getting in over them.

in all this arguing back and forth, the real issue is being forgotten. ALL of these teams are beyond average and NONE of them should get in.

not a single one of the teams on the bubble...on either side....can point the finger at anyone else but themselves if they were left out.

How about....win more games. a novel concept, i know, in today's 'everyone gets a participation trophy' world.

(03-18-2024 10:59 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 10:48 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 10:15 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 09:00 AM)PGJMU Wrote:  preach brother - the NCAA uses subterfuge to get the P5s in. they have 4 - 5 criteria which they emphasize or deemphasize to get to the outcome they want. Namely - More p5 schools. As a last resort, they will use the "eye" test.

again - they need to restrict the number of home games a team can schedule to force more opps for the mids

i would be open to expanding the tournament, except it would only mean more p5s

Sadly, you've already addressed why this won't happen. "They" won't restrict anything that evens the playing field (disadvantages P5 schools) because the money flows upward. "They" could also legislate NET as the primary - or ENTIRE - at-large selection criteria. But they won't because the eye test lets them do whatever they want.

What eye in hell justifies UVA getting in this season? If you wanted to do that at least St. John's is a fun team to watch and beat a handful of quality opponents in the past month.

you guys are using your Anti-UVA hatred and bias to justify some other team getting in over them.

in all this arguing back and forth, the real issue is being forgotten. ALL of these teams are beyond average and NONE of them should get in.

not a single one of the teams on the bubble...on either side....can point the finger at anyone else but themselves if they were left out.

How about....win more games. a novel concept, i know, in today's 'everyone gets a participation trophy' world.

Indiana State won 28 games in the 9th best conference and only lost in the conference final to not get a bid to the NCAAs. They weren't a Southland or SWAC team. They played legitimately good teams for much of the season.

The committee stresses that they look at the entire body of work from the entire season but somehow if you're not connected to the P6 (or whatever) you still need to win three games in three days at the beginning of March or you're SOL.

(03-18-2024 10:59 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  you guys are using your Anti-UVA hatred and bias to justify some other team getting in over them.

Yeah, and your point is?

Screw those Brie eating, ascot wearing losers.

(03-18-2024 10:19 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  They have said the NET is not a criteria that the committee uses to pick teams which raises the question on why it was ever created and why they use the quadrants then in their selections. Of course they ignore the Q1/2 wins when those wins are mid major teams.

Odd one out maybe, but I think this is the right approach. The selection committee cares about how you played against good teams and they use NET to qualify who are good teams.

It sucks for Indiana State because they clearly are a good team, but they were 1-4 in Q1.

Again you need to game it, so that once OOC play is done your conference has the most possible Q1 games left since the conference is guaranteed a Q1 win in each of those games.

But temporarily JMU/App/USM/Marshall will have to take the Gonzaga/St Mary's approach and get at least 5 OOC Q1 games (hopefully in a neutral court tournament) and then play each other as Q1. That is till the rest of the conference invests in basketball.

UVA is bad at men’s basketball.

(03-18-2024 04:13 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  UVA is bad at men’s basketball.

You could've ended this sentence after the third word.

(03-18-2024 04:13 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  UVA is bad at men’s basketball.

Yep, and Indiana St got screwed, should have been in over the Hoos

Colorado St. 27- UVA 14 at half in the First Four game.
Hoos went scoreless in the last 9:20. It is just brutal watching their offense.

UVA Orthopedics = wayyy better than UVA MBB

(03-18-2024 11:17 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 10:59 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 10:48 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 10:15 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 09:00 AM)PGJMU Wrote:  preach brother - the NCAA uses subterfuge to get the P5s in. they have 4 - 5 criteria which they emphasize or deemphasize to get to the outcome they want. Namely - More p5 schools. As a last resort, they will use the "eye" test.

again - they need to restrict the number of home games a team can schedule to force more opps for the mids

i would be open to expanding the tournament, except it would only mean more p5s

Sadly, you've already addressed why this won't happen. "They" won't restrict anything that evens the playing field (disadvantages P5 schools) because the money flows upward. "They" could also legislate NET as the primary - or ENTIRE - at-large selection criteria. But they won't because the eye test lets them do whatever they want.

What eye in hell justifies UVA getting in this season? If you wanted to do that at least St. John's is a fun team to watch and beat a handful of quality opponents in the past month.

you guys are using your Anti-UVA hatred and bias to justify some other team getting in over them.

in all this arguing back and forth, the real issue is being forgotten. ALL of these teams are beyond average and NONE of them should get in.

not a single one of the teams on the bubble...on either side....can point the finger at anyone else but themselves if they were left out.

How about....win more games. a novel concept, i know, in today's 'everyone gets a participation trophy' world.

Indiana State won 28 games in the 9th best conference and only lost in the conference final to not get a bid to the NCAAs. They weren't a Southland or SWAC team. They played legitimately good teams for much of the season.

The committee stresses that they look at the entire body of work from the entire season but somehow if you're not connected to the P6 (or whatever) you still need to win three games in three days at the beginning of March or you're SOL.

Yeah and there's a certain point where "win more games" is almost a little unrealistic. If JMU had lost the SBC final and got left out would you be saying "simple, win more games" to the team with the most wins in the country? Schedule tougher OOC is another point you can make of course, but that's also often a lot easier said than done. JMU was barely able to get a single P6 game this year and probably only got that because of Izzo's nephew. Other opponents we thought would be solid turned out to be weaker than usual.

There's definitely a balance to it, and I do think it's a little different in football vs basketball. When you have a Liberty playing 13 games and they're all cupcakes then give them the single G5 NY6 spot, that's a little different from giving one of 36 at-large bids to a 28-6 mid-major who did great with the schedule they had over a 23-10 P6 who had plenty of opportunities to solidify their resume and blew it.

Wagner is in!!! Our football game is legit now...

UVA...ouch...poor Indiana State..

Good argument that UVA was the worst at-large in the history of the NCAA Tournament

I think Seton Hall, Saint John's and to a lesser extent Providence have a more legit complaint than Indiana St.

(03-19-2024 10:46 PM)JMUPride Wrote:  Good argument that UVA was the worst at-large in the history of the NCAA Tournament

You could have ended your sentence after the first six words.