(02-27-2024 12:40 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(02-27-2024 10:36 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(02-27-2024 06:35 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(02-26-2024 10:27 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-25-2024 05:21 PM)XLance Wrote:  Carolina is now stuck with Collins as Mack Brown tries to take over Saban's roll, making Carolina a rehab location for discredited coaches.

All I'm seeing is the Heels have a new DC with 6 years experience in the SEC.


Plus he's a Cullowhee Catamount so he can't be all bad.

You're going to need so many capri pants, hair plugs, and sweater vests.



But most of all ... you're going to need a defense.

All us opposing fans request you reconsider and hire him back...preferably before Spring Ball.

Compromise: Head Coach in waiting for UNC

Deal

I can’t wait for this new aggressive defense to shut down GaTech’s sophisticated high powered offense

(02-28-2024 08:32 AM)esayem Wrote:  I can’t wait for this new aggressive defense to shut down GaTech’s sophisticated high powered offense

Yea, the Minister of Mayhem did such an amazing job against NIU or Citadel...... or anyone anywhere really.



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I'll be honest: I liked what Geoff Collins SAID when he first came to GT. I liked his ideas about branding and recruiting the city.

Then the season began, and it was clear the coaching just wasn't there.

(02-28-2024 08:40 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'll be honest: I liked what Geoff Collins SAID when he first came to GT. I liked his ideas about branding and recruiting the city.

Then the season began, and it was clear the coaching just wasn't there.

As I recall there were many GT fans on this board that were slobbering over his hire. And then there was the whole Waffle House thing....................

(02-28-2024 08:47 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 08:40 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'll be honest: I liked what Geoff Collins SAID when he first came to GT. I liked his ideas about branding and recruiting the city.

Then the season began, and it was clear the coaching just wasn't there.

As I recall there were many GT fans on this board that were slobbering over his hire. And then there was the whole Waffle House thing....................

Yep! I remember all of that, lol.

Collins was given resources and connections Paul Johnson wasn't. It was nice to see use of the Waffle House jet and helicopters to recruit hard. It was nice to see some effort put in on branding and appealing in a more youthful way.

But that's all window dressing and siding. The house has to stand on the quality of coaching and the personnel development. A house cannot stand on just the exterior veneer.

(02-28-2024 09:30 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 08:47 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 08:40 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'll be honest: I liked what Geoff Collins SAID when he first came to GT. I liked his ideas about branding and recruiting the city.

Then the season began, and it was clear the coaching just wasn't there.

As I recall there were many GT fans on this board that were slobbering over his hire. And then there was the whole Waffle House thing....................

Yep! I remember all of that, lol.

Careful ... Fran checks a lot of Geoff's boxes ....

(02-28-2024 08:47 AM)XLance Wrote:  As I recall there were many GT fans on this board that were slobbering over his hire. And then there was the whole Waffle House thing....................

Correct, CPJ Success had the fanbase raise their expectations for the program and some donors/boosters thought that the problem at Tech was recruiting effort on the coaches part.

The truth was that recruiting wasn't supported or funded to the level of other ACC programs until Goof Collins got there.(effort was made by CPJ and his staff) And Clown Collins couldn't coach or scheme very well, and to be fair it is hard to come behind a HOF coach who won despite the lack of institutional support, and then to get such support but not be able to compete in games was just unacceptable. You can see why the fanbase left on gamedays after the Clown took over.

To be honest the AD TSTAN, John Dewberry & Pat swilling started the purge before CPJ retired. Ted Roof was dismissed after 2017, they refused to work with UCF on another date after the game was canx, Ga State and UTSA would have played Tech, but they refused to pay for the game in 2017. Also CPJ wanted to move Bruce Jordan Swilling to RB from LB and Pat Swilling balked and said that CPJ program doesn't develop offensive players for the NFL.

The hate or dislike of CPJ system among the Donors/Boosters was amazing and really shows how AD Dan Radakovich and President Bud Peterson did not consult them on the CPJ hire in 2008 (dec 2007).

(02-28-2024 01:02 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 08:47 AM)XLance Wrote:  As I recall there were many GT fans on this board that were slobbering over his hire. And then there was the whole Waffle House thing....................

Correct, CPJ Success had the fanbase raise their expectations for the program and some donors/boosters thought that the problem at Tech was recruiting effort on the coaches part.

The truth was that recruiting wasn't supported or funded to the level of other ACC programs until Goof Collins got there.(effort was made by CPJ and his staff) And Clown Collins couldn't coach or scheme very well, and to be fair it is hard to come behind a HOF coach who won despite the lack of institutional support, and then to get such support but not be able to compete in games was just unacceptable. You can see why the fanbase left on gamedays after the Clown took over.

To be honest the AD TSTAN, John Dewberry & Pat swilling started the purge before CPJ retired. Ted Roof was dismissed after 2017, they refused to work with UCF on another date after the game was canx, Ga State and UTSA would have played Tech, but they refused to pay for the game in 2017. Also CPJ wanted to move Bruce Jordan Swilling to RB from LB and Pat Swilling balked and said that CPJ program doesn't develop offensive players for the NFL.

The hate or dislike of CPJ system among the Donors/Boosters was amazing and really shows how AD Dan Radakovich and President Bud Peterson did not consult them on the CPJ hire in 2008 (dec 2007).

So what you're saying is the GT Boosters would rather look good losing than to win ugly?

Winning ugly was removed as an option via the rule book. The real criticism on Paul Johnson's offense was that the perception that you couldn't play in the NFL an offensive player or that you wouldn't want to practice against it all the time were enough of a limiting factor to prevent the cream of the crop recruits from ever signing. The first Orange Bowl team had some key NFL draft early round talent in key places. All of it recruited by Chan Gailey with the help of his new recruiting coordinator ... *sigh* .... Geoff Collins. Geoff Collins was also the reason GT had an unusual number of recruits from New England in the late O'Leary era.... O'Leary handed the most useless recruiting turf to the new kid ... *sigh* .... Geoff Collins. And Geoff did recruit serviceable starters in vanilla positions like OL and FB out of New England. He can recruit. The Achilles Heel .... he's an awful evaluator. He vacuumed up tons of 5 star and 4 star players at GT, usually through the portal. He was getting busts and wash outs disproportionately. Just look at Jeff Sims, who is now who knows where after turning over his transfer papers from Nebraska before he could file them.

I keep scratching my head as to why you got rid of Chan. He got an awful lot out of not much to work with.

(02-28-2024 10:53 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 09:30 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 08:47 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 08:40 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'll be honest: I liked what Geoff Collins SAID when he first came to GT. I liked his ideas about branding and recruiting the city.

Then the season began, and it was clear the coaching just wasn't there.

As I recall there were many GT fans on this board that were slobbering over his hire. And then there was the whole Waffle House thing....................

Yep! I remember all of that, lol.

Careful ... Fran checks a lot of Geoff's boxes ....

SU fans are very aware of Coach Frans lack HC exoerience. We have not annointed him as the next great coach at SU. We take a wait and see attitude while loving what hes doing for recruiting.

(02-28-2024 03:56 PM)XLance Wrote:  I keep scratching my head as to why you got rid of Chan. He got an awful lot out of not much to work with.

It's a great question, and I have some memories of it.

Chan was given a bad hand to start, and it only got worse in the first year. O'Leary kept up with the players' academic progress pretty well and Chan handed that off to administrative personnel at the GTAA and a year later that ended up costing us a lot of good talent that O'Leary had recruited. GT was down to like 64 or 65 scholarship players at the start of the 2003 season, the returning quarterbacks were mediocre at best, and the schedule was daunting. Chan went all in a true-freshman quarterback and it kinda worked in 2003. A 7-6 record including a nice bowl win wasn't expected at the start of the season.

2004 had a lot of ups and downs but we got a new receiver who just tore up everything he faced. Some guy who ended up in the NFL and did well. Some good wins and some head scratching losses.

2005 was another year with some ups and downs. Toward the end of the year the NCAA lowered the hammer and hit the institute with sanctions. The year still ended okay, a massive upset of Miami in Miami knocked Larry Coker down a lot that he never recovered.

2006 was the peak. Senior quarterback, all-world wide receiver, NFL-caliber running back, and a 9-2 start had everything looking great. ...and then came crashing down in Athens in a loss against a struggling UGA in full rebuilding mode. A highly disappointing loss in Jacksonville to Wake Forest the following week (a 9-6 score that still stands as a serious WTF? moment) and an entertaining but ultimately a bowl loss to West Virginia left GT with a 9-5 record.

I will say that Gailey turned up recruiting very well during that 2006 season. Yes I remember who did a lot of the work of this class, along with others. That 2007 signing day was one of GT's best.

The 2007 season felt... mediocre at best. Relying on the quarterback who couldn't beat out Reggie Ball in practice left us with little offense to work with. A 27-3 loss to VT on a Thursday night in Atlanta earned him boos when his PSA came on the jumbotron. Another loss to UGA basically felt like we never going to beat them with Gailey at the helm. A 7-5 record got him sent packing.

Chan's record at GT? 7-6, 7-6, 7-5, 7-5, 9-5, 7-5 (before the bowl game). 0-6 against UGA with some god-awful blowouts and a few close calls. But it felt like he was going to have five losses a year no matter what he did. Chan was an offensive guy and his defenses were what kept GT competitive. I'll give him credit for putting the better players on defense and letting the DC (Jon Tenuta) run that side without much interference.

Now a great "What if?" question would concern how GT would have done with Chan at the helm in 2008. There was a lot of talent on that team on both sides of the ball. But would it have been enough to win in Athens? Could he have gotten GT to the upper levels of the ACC like we were consistently under O'Leary? I mean, if we're going to compare him to coach Clown Shoes then sure, I'd take Gailey in a heartbeat. But it did feel like we could do better than 5 losses a year and that was Chan's ceiling.

If we are going down memory lane with old coaches, how bout NCSU fans remind us why they fired Chuck Amato.

(03-03-2024 06:59 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  If we are going down memory lane with old coaches, how bout NCSU fans remind us why they fired Chuck Amato.

A 2-5 record against GT is totally the reason. That's what I tell myself.