The Board of Governors of the Consolidated UNC system, which includes NCSU and the other state universities in NC, has assumed control over changes of athletic conference affiliations for all of the universities it controls. It will now be difficult, probably impossible, for UNC to leave the ACC for another conference without taking NCSU with them. In addition, leaving the ACC without taking Duke might be unpopular with some UNC alums.

I don't think that UNC is going anywhere unless the ACC is at death's door.

Nothing new here. I agree that the main deal will be that UNC and NCSU will need to show the UNCSBOG that any future move not impact the total money flowing through NC via the ACC.

Think about it. The ACC basically drives $200M cash via the 4 schools and the ACC HQ operations. NC also probably gets money multiplier benefits from the ACC total $1B revenue of cash flow moving through NC banks before payouts to non NC schools.

I don't see any movement for either UNC or NCSU unless the ACC folds. I think the ACC only folds if the supposed BIG-SEC breakaway occurs.

(02-29-2024 02:25 PM)AeroWolf Wrote:  Nothing new here. I agree that the main deal will be that UNC and NCSU will need to show the UNCSBOG that any future move not impact the total money flowing through NC via the ACC.

Think about it. The ACC basically drives $200M cash via the 4 schools and the ACC HQ operations. NC also probably gets money multiplier benefits from the ACC total $1B revenue of cash flow moving through NC banks before payouts to non NC schools.

I don't see any movement for either UNC or NCSU unless the ACC folds. I think the ACC only folds if the supposed BIG-SEC breakaway occurs.

The Senate President ProTem - the most powerful person in NC, not the Governor, specifically said he was concerned about the impact on smaller universities. He's talking specifically about WF and Duke because the WF Atrium Hospital System and Duke University Hospital System are the second and third largest employers in the districts he represents. NC is not like most other states when it comes to higher education. The State took over the Universities in 1931 as a Great Depression and economic development tool. WF and Duke can use their money to buy whom they need when it comes to the General Assembly and that's who actually picks the UNC Board of Governors.

Disentangling would be very, very difficult and the entanglements cross the state line north into Virginia.

The 2.29 action represents official enactment of a policy recommended by the relevant committee.

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (AP) — The board overseeing North Carolina’s public university system will require schools to get approval to change athletic conferences, which most notably could impact any potential move by Atlantic Coast Conference members North Carolina and North Carolina State.
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The measure requires schools to provide advance notice of any conference change, including a report on the financial impact, for the board president’s approval. The president can approve or reject the plan, while the board could also vote to reject a plan initially approved.

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/...nferences#

(02-29-2024 01:35 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  The Board of Governors of the Consolidated UNC system, which includes NCSU and the other state universities in NC, has assumed control over changes of athletic conference affiliations for all of the universities it controls. It will now be difficult, probably impossible, for UNC to leave the ACC for another conference without taking NCSU with them. In addition, leaving the ACC without taking Duke might be unpopular with some UNC alums.

I don't think that UNC is going anywhere unless the ACC is at death's door.

Looks like the SEC & Big10 will be fighting over Duke & Wake

(02-29-2024 03:51 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 02:25 PM)AeroWolf Wrote:  Nothing new here. I agree that the main deal will be that UNC and NCSU will need to show the UNCSBOG that any future move not impact the total money flowing through NC via the ACC.

Think about it. The ACC basically drives $200M cash via the 4 schools and the ACC HQ operations. NC also probably gets money multiplier benefits from the ACC total $1B revenue of cash flow moving through NC banks before payouts to non NC schools.

I don't see any movement for either UNC or NCSU unless the ACC folds. I think the ACC only folds if the supposed BIG-SEC breakaway occurs.

The Senate President ProTem - the most powerful person in NC, not the Governor, specifically said he was concerned about the impact on smaller universities. He's talking specifically about WF and Duke because the WF Atrium Hospital System and Duke University Hospital System are the second and third largest employers in the districts he represents. NC is not like most other states when it comes to higher education. The State took over the Universities in 1931 as a Great Depression and economic development tool. WF and Duke can use their money to buy whom they need when it comes to the General Assembly and that's who actually picks the UNC Board of Governors.

Disentangling would be very, very difficult and the entanglements cross the state line north into Virginia.

Looking at North Carolina's economy vs other State economies in the South, it was a prudent move, one that has provided great dividends for the people of North Carolina.

(02-29-2024 03:51 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 02:25 PM)AeroWolf Wrote:  Nothing new here. I agree that the main deal will be that UNC and NCSU will need to show the UNCSBOG that any future move not impact the total money flowing through NC via the ACC.

Think about it. The ACC basically drives $200M cash via the 4 schools and the ACC HQ operations. NC also probably gets money multiplier benefits from the ACC total $1B revenue of cash flow moving through NC banks before payouts to non NC schools.

I don't see any movement for either UNC or NCSU unless the ACC folds. I think the ACC only folds if the supposed BIG-SEC breakaway occurs.

The Senate President ProTem - the most powerful person in NC, not the Governor, specifically said he was concerned about the impact on smaller universities. He's talking specifically about WF and Duke because the WF Atrium Hospital System and Duke University Hospital System are the second and third largest employers in the districts he represents. NC is not like most other states when it comes to higher education. The State took over the Universities in 1931 as a Great Depression and economic development tool. WF and Duke can use their money to buy whom they need when it comes to the General Assembly and that's who actually picks the UNC Board of Governors.

Disentangling would be very, very difficult and the entanglements cross the state line north into Virginia.

Re: the bolded text, SouthernConfBoy, are you saying and/or implying that Duke & Wake Forest are state related institutions, ala' Cornell University??

(03-02-2024 12:06 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 03:51 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 02:25 PM)AeroWolf Wrote:  Nothing new here. I agree that the main deal will be that UNC and NCSU will need to show the UNCSBOG that any future move not impact the total money flowing through NC via the ACC.

Think about it. The ACC basically drives $200M cash via the 4 schools and the ACC HQ operations. NC also probably gets money multiplier benefits from the ACC total $1B revenue of cash flow moving through NC banks before payouts to non NC schools.

I don't see any movement for either UNC or NCSU unless the ACC folds. I think the ACC only folds if the supposed BIG-SEC breakaway occurs.

The Senate President ProTem - the most powerful person in NC, not the Governor, specifically said he was concerned about the impact on smaller universities. He's talking specifically about WF and Duke because the WF Atrium Hospital System and Duke University Hospital System are the second and third largest employers in the districts he represents. NC is not like most other states when it comes to higher education. The State took over the Universities in 1931 as a Great Depression and economic development tool. WF and Duke can use their money to buy whom they need when it comes to the General Assembly and that's who actually picks the UNC Board of Governors.

Disentangling would be very, very difficult and the entanglements cross the state line north into Virginia.

Re: the bolded text, SouthernConfBoy, are you saying and/or implying that Duke & Wake Forest are state related institutions, ala' Cornell University??

1. No and the fiction of "state related" is just a crock of **** ginned up in the Northeast where states refuse to support public higher education as a matter of policy. Just because the State gives you some money does not make you state related although NC does give money to Duke, WF, Campbell, etc. (Now Pitt folks are going to use that phrase and they believe it - but they pick 2/3 of their own Board of Trustees - that's private in NC or Va, or SC no matter how much money the State gives you)

2. In 1930 there was the University of North Carolina, North Carolina Agricultural and Mechanical, and Woman's College. Today they are known as UNC-Ch, North Carolina State University at Raleigh, and University of North Carolina at Greensboro. In 1931 their governance was compacted into one entity - the University of NC. In or around 1960 UNC-Wilmington and Charlotte were added. Then East Carolina Teachers College was added. Then the HBC's than App State, Western Carolina, etc., etc until now there are 16. (PS about 1931 - The State of NC was so broke in 1931, Cannon Mills who made blankets for the Army, had to loan money to the State of NC so the State could make payroll - in return the State allowed Cannon Mills to have a private town of it's own for 60 years).

3. The UNC BOG is THE PREMIER appointment in the State of NC. The System is run not as an education entity but as an entity designed to distribute economic development across NC. Works real to.

4. The UNC System is handmaiden to the NC Department of Commerce and the NC Utility Commission - otherwise known as the pimp for Duke Power and or Dominion Energy.

This system is used to funnel economic well being to Boone, Asheville, and Cullowhee in the west and to Wilmington, Greenville, and Elizabeth City in the east.

It's part of a deeply paternalistic system that has been the way in NC since the Depression.

As to Duke and WF, both have a medical system. That puts them at the mercy of the State regarding a Certificate of Need. You need a CON in this State to build medical ventures unlike some states where any damn hobo can set up an x-ray clinic. They both have huge property ownership interests where tax policy can affect them. They don't want a new medical school in Raleigh that they do not own. WF has effected an end-around in Charlotte, but UNC has kept a med school out of Charlotte for the last 70 years.

The interlocking web of relationships is inescapable unless your money comes from out of State and you don't marry anyone from inside the State.

(03-02-2024 12:58 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(03-02-2024 12:06 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 03:51 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 02:25 PM)AeroWolf Wrote:  Nothing new here. I agree that the main deal will be that UNC and NCSU will need to show the UNCSBOG that any future move not impact the total money flowing through NC via the ACC.

Think about it. The ACC basically drives $200M cash via the 4 schools and the ACC HQ operations. NC also probably gets money multiplier benefits from the ACC total $1B revenue of cash flow moving through NC banks before payouts to non NC schools.

I don't see any movement for either UNC or NCSU unless the ACC folds. I think the ACC only folds if the supposed BIG-SEC breakaway occurs.

The Senate President ProTem - the most powerful person in NC, not the Governor, specifically said he was concerned about the impact on smaller universities. He's talking specifically about WF and Duke because the WF Atrium Hospital System and Duke University Hospital System are the second and third largest employers in the districts he represents. NC is not like most other states when it comes to higher education. The State took over the Universities in 1931 as a Great Depression and economic development tool. WF and Duke can use their money to buy whom they need when it comes to the General Assembly and that's who actually picks the UNC Board of Governors.

Disentangling would be very, very difficult and the entanglements cross the state line north into Virginia.

Re: the bolded text, SouthernConfBoy, are you saying and/or implying that Duke & Wake Forest are state related institutions, ala' Cornell University??

1. No and the fiction of "state related" is just a crock of **** ginned up in the Northeast where states refuse to support public higher education as a matter of policy. Just because the State gives you some money does not make you state related although NC does give money to Duke, WF, Campbell, etc. (Now Pitt folks are going to use that phrase and they believe it - but they pick 2/3 of their own Board of Trustees - that's private in NC or Va, or SC no matter how much money the State gives you)

2. In 1930 there was the University of North Carolina, North Carolina Agricultural and Mechanical, and Woman's College. Today they are known as UNC-Ch, North Carolina State University at Raleigh, and University of North Carolina at Greensboro. In 1931 their governance was compacted into one entity - the University of NC. In or around 1960 UNC-Wilmington and Charlotte were added. Then East Carolina Teachers College was added. Then the HBC's than App State, Western Carolina, etc., etc until now there are 16. (PS about 1931 - The State of NC was so broke in 1931, Cannon Mills who made blankets for the Army, had to loan money to the State of NC so the State could make payroll - in return the State allowed Cannon Mills to have a private town of it's own for 60 years).

3. The UNC BOG is THE PREMIER appointment in the State of NC. The System is run not as an education entity but as an entity designed to distribute economic development across NC. Works real to.

4. The UNC System is handmaiden to the NC Department of Commerce and the NC Utility Commission - otherwise known as the pimp for Duke Power and or Dominion Energy.

This system is used to funnel economic well being to Boone, Asheville, and Cullowhee in the west and to Wilmington, Greenville, and Elizabeth City in the east.

It's part of a deeply paternalistic system that has been the way in NC since the Depression.

As to Duke and WF, both have a medical system. That puts them at the mercy of the State regarding a Certificate of Need. You need a CON in this State to build medical ventures unlike some states where any damn hobo can set up an x-ray clinic. They both have huge property ownership interests where tax policy can affect them. They don't want a new medical school in Raleigh that they do not own. WF has effected an end-around in Charlotte, but UNC has kept a med school out of Charlotte for the last 70 years.

The interlocking web of relationships is inescapable unless your money comes from out of State and you don't marry anyone from inside the State.

"State-related" is the actual title used by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania to describe the four universities that are part of the Commonwealth System of Higher Education, and it is a statutory designation.

Doesn't matter how anyone else uses the term. In Pennsylvania, it has an actual legal meaning. And it only applies to Pennsylvania, because is the only place where such a system is codified and officially referred to as "state-related," even though the four constituent schools are not governed uniformly and are completely independent of one another.

Pitt's official, legal, currently chartered corporate name is the "University of Pittsburgh - of the Commonwealth System of Higher Education".