(03-05-2024 07:38 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(03-05-2024 07:18 PM)EOU93 Wrote:  We switched from cable to streaming because of the cost. Even getting cable channels without sports is costly. Mainly because a monthly fee for the cable box is atrocious when makes it not worthwhile when having 3 TVs

Still with Philo for $25/month. All the cable channels without the sports channels.

As a senior citizen I can say major change is hard to accept. But I finally dropped cable and jumped into streaming. Even with a Sling package with an add on for TCM and the ACCN my total bill for internet, home phone and content (streaming replacing cable) went from $307 down to $190. It's hard to justify sticking with cable, even for an old geezer like me.

Huge move. Nice work.

(03-05-2024 11:05 PM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  

(03-05-2024 06:21 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  It’s crazy that MTV’s ratings are that low. That channel used to be “it” for teens and young adults in the 90s.

Its amazing they even got a 2nd life when they stopped focusing on music videos and focused mainly on reality tv. Once that well dried up they had nothing left to offer. Going back to music videos was pointless with youtube around.

Out of the 168 weekly hours available to program, MTV shows Ridiculousness 120 hours per week. No joke. No hyperbole.

(03-06-2024 10:13 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  Cable is over-priced and the providers have been sticking it to the consumers for decades, We finally ditched cable completely, (including internet) last year and while it was an adjustment it is not missed. Streaming IMO offers more options and can be catered to individual interests. We all know how streaming works. I like to ability to cancel or subscribe to different apps every month, season or enter your own time-frame here

Because they deny simple tenets of economics. As Price goes up, the Quantity Demanded goes down. As people left, they raised prices instead of dropping them.

(03-06-2024 01:35 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-06-2024 11:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-06-2024 11:42 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-06-2024 11:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  From what I've been able to discern the price of cable and streaming are converging. It's not like in 2015 or so, when streaming first became a thing and you could cut a $200 cable bill down to $30 by signing up for a streamer. Or at least I don't think it is.

I currently pay about $150 for cable, I guess I could probably cut that down to $75 with Youttube TV, but I also get my internet via the cable company, and so I might lose a "bundle" discount if I did that.

I'll probably always pay way more than I could be, I guess. I value convenience over getting the very best possible deal. So I still pay for cable. And streaming, LOL.

Difference is your streaming bill is much more reducible if you're not picky. Which a lot of people aren't.

Yeah the cable bill is pretty much all or nothing. I could just end the cable, I'm not tied in to any contracts, but there's no way to just lop off 1/4 of the cable. Well I guess I could, they do have different "tiers" and I could go down a tier. Maybe I should look in to that, LOL.

Then again, I've found that psychologically, there is a "stickiness" to streaming. A few times, I have signed up for a $1 a month for three months Black Friday or whatever deal with a streamer, with the intention of eliminating it after those months go by, but lo and behold when the price goes up to $6 a month, I end up keeping it, LOL. And not really because the service is so great, but just because I say "well I do like having it and what's six bucks a month"?

There's always a stickiness, but it's much more gradual with streaming than with cable. If you have Netflix, Disney+ and Max (let's say you bought the HBO streaming thing for Game of Thrones and kept it, and it rolled into Max). With Netflix at $20, Disney at $12 and Max at $10 (I don't feel like looking up numbers) that's comfortable for you. When you add PAramount and Peacock for another $20 a month, maybe that starts to be unreasonable. You can cancel 2 streamers and keep 4. Or cancel 4 and keep 2.

Cable, your Tiers generally give you some particular thing that you want, which makes it hard to part with it.

Yeah, I never pay full price for any of the new streaming options. Once the deal runs out, one has to rotate services. There's no need to have 6-8 at.one point unless you really think you're watching $10-20 worth each month.

(03-06-2024 04:02 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-06-2024 12:24 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-06-2024 11:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  From what I've been able to discern the price of cable and streaming are converging. It's not like in 2015 or so, when streaming first became a thing and you could cut a $200 cable bill down to $30 by signing up for a streamer. Or at least I don't think it is.

I currently pay about $150 for cable, I guess I could probably cut that down to $75 with Youttube TV, but I also get my internet via the cable company, and so I might lose a "bundle" discount if I did that.

I'll probably always pay way more than I could be, I guess. I value convenience over getting the very best possible deal. So I still pay for cable. And streaming, LOL.

My cable bill just increased to about $230 a month (Spectrum). I pay for a lot of channels that I never have watched.
But by the same token, I moved my cell service to Spectrum and am saving a ton.

Cool.

My cable bill is also $230, because I buy my internet from them too so the total, internet service and cable, is $230. I pay $98 a month to Verizon for phone, so man I'm paying a lot.

It's basically $400 when I add up internet, cable, streaming services, and phone.

Your money, you do what you want with it obviously. But wouldn't hurt to look around. The small town component might be your biggest barrier to change. Personally I have a ton of internet options so the max is $40-50/month. For TV options, YTTV is $72, you can get RedZone thru NFL+ if youre interested. DTVS is around $105/month but includes your local RSN. I'm not sure if that applies because I don't remember what other sports you like.

(03-09-2024 04:15 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(03-05-2024 11:05 PM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  

(03-05-2024 06:21 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  It’s crazy that MTV’s ratings are that low. That channel used to be “it” for teens and young adults in the 90s.

Its amazing they even got a 2nd life when they stopped focusing on music videos and focused mainly on reality tv. Once that well dried up they had nothing left to offer. Going back to music videos was pointless with youtube around.

Out of the 168 weekly hours available to program, MTV shows Ridiculousness 120 hours per week. No joke. No hyperbole.

So what will become of the VMA's once MTV goes belly up?

(03-09-2024 05:13 PM)C2__ Wrote:  

(03-09-2024 04:15 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(03-05-2024 11:05 PM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  

(03-05-2024 06:21 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  It’s crazy that MTV’s ratings are that low. That channel used to be “it” for teens and young adults in the 90s.

Its amazing they even got a 2nd life when they stopped focusing on music videos and focused mainly on reality tv. Once that well dried up they had nothing left to offer. Going back to music videos was pointless with youtube around.

Out of the 168 weekly hours available to program, MTV shows Ridiculousness 120 hours per week. No joke. No hyperbole.

So what will become of the VMA's once MTV goes belly up?

Doubt MTV goes "belly up." As long as the cable/MVPD bundle exists, MTV might as well be on it. If channels stop existing, then MTV will be a brand within a streaming service (either PAramount, or whoever buys it in the PAramount breakup & sale). The VMA's will be part of the MTV "brand and IP".

In my opinion, cable is a Boomer thing. Almost 30 million Boomers (60-78) have died and the rate will only increase over the next 5-10 years. Think about all of those Boomers that are already or getting ready to be on fixed incomes via retirement and have to cut costs.

Also, internet and cellphone are more important than cable. A couple of streaming services is all most need.

(03-09-2024 05:52 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-09-2024 05:13 PM)C2__ Wrote:  

(03-09-2024 04:15 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(03-05-2024 11:05 PM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  

(03-05-2024 06:21 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  It’s crazy that MTV’s ratings are that low. That channel used to be “it” for teens and young adults in the 90s.

Its amazing they even got a 2nd life when they stopped focusing on music videos and focused mainly on reality tv. Once that well dried up they had nothing left to offer. Going back to music videos was pointless with youtube around.

Out of the 168 weekly hours available to program, MTV shows Ridiculousness 120 hours per week. No joke. No hyperbole.

So what will become of the VMA's once MTV goes belly up?

Doubt MTV goes "belly up." As long as the cable/MVPD bundle exists, MTV might as well be on it. If channels stop existing, then MTV will be a brand within a streaming service (either PAramount, or whoever buys it in the PAramount breakup & sale). The VMA's will be part of the MTV "brand and IP".

Still a bunch of young people watching the trashy shows they have.

However, glad Philo has the MTV classic channel to actually watch videos

(03-09-2024 07:59 PM)EOU93 Wrote:  

(03-09-2024 05:52 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-09-2024 05:13 PM)C2__ Wrote:  

(03-09-2024 04:15 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(03-05-2024 11:05 PM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  Its amazing they even got a 2nd life when they stopped focusing on music videos and focused mainly on reality tv. Once that well dried up they had nothing left to offer. Going back to music videos was pointless with youtube around.

Out of the 168 weekly hours available to program, MTV shows Ridiculousness 120 hours per week. No joke. No hyperbole.

So what will become of the VMA's once MTV goes belly up?

Doubt MTV goes "belly up." As long as the cable/MVPD bundle exists, MTV might as well be on it. If channels stop existing, then MTV will be a brand within a streaming service (either PAramount, or whoever buys it in the PAramount breakup & sale). The VMA's will be part of the MTV "brand and IP".

Still a bunch of young people watching the trashy shows they have.

However, glad Philo has the MTV classic channel to actually watch videos

I watch the Challenge on MTV, that's it. They only have around 5 new content shows - Jersey Shore scum, Teen Mom scum, Catfish, and Are You The One?

(03-09-2024 05:13 PM)C2__ Wrote:  

(03-09-2024 04:15 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(03-05-2024 11:05 PM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  

(03-05-2024 06:21 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  It’s crazy that MTV’s ratings are that low. That channel used to be “it” for teens and young adults in the 90s.

Its amazing they even got a 2nd life when they stopped focusing on music videos and focused mainly on reality tv. Once that well dried up they had nothing left to offer. Going back to music videos was pointless with youtube around.

Out of the 168 weekly hours available to program, MTV shows Ridiculousness 120 hours per week. No joke. No hyperbole.

So what will become of the VMA's once MTV goes belly up?

Paramount has been all over the place recently strategically. They wanted to sell off channels, sell off assets, merge, etc.

(03-09-2024 05:13 PM)C2__ Wrote:  So what will become of the VMA's once MTV goes belly up?

"The YouTube Video Music Awards, brought to you by Spotify"

(03-09-2024 04:20 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(03-06-2024 10:13 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  Cable is over-priced and the providers have been sticking it to the consumers for decades, We finally ditched cable completely, (including internet) last year and while it was an adjustment it is not missed. Streaming IMO offers more options and can be catered to individual interests. We all know how streaming works. I like to ability to cancel or subscribe to different apps every month, season or enter your own time-frame here

Because they deny simple tenets of economics. As Price goes up, the Quantity Demanded goes down. As people left, they raised prices instead of dropping them.

The problem is some of the channels on cable show reruns of the same show like The Golden Girls all the time. Hallmark Channel and CMT does that and they are owned by different companies.
Tru TV is being rebranded to a sports network for WB Discovery now while moving their top shows over to TBS.
G4 is not G4 anymore. It was rebranded to Esquire, but now since shuttered down. G4 was about computers and gaming, and changing it away from the gamers side hurt them since gaming is very popular today.
Pursuit Channel is not on every cable networks, and is second to last.
BEIN SPORT could have problems to survive in the future.
FUSE used to be part of basic, but was moved to extended more expensive package. Now, since they did the same as MTV? They may not survived.
MTV 2 and other cable duplicate channels could wind up shutting down as well. Since there is no music videos being played? Why keep the name MTV or CMT or VH1?
SPORTSMAN CHANNEL is part of the sports package for my local cable. They are cheaper, and could replace some channels on basic. They are owned by The Outdoor Channel.
ACCUWEATHER does 24 hours weather cast, unlike The Weather Channel who moved away from doing weather. This should be more important to move to basic cable where they get the ratings.
FOX SPORTS 2 was the wrong move to change the name of it in the first place. It was known as Fuel Tv that does extreme sports. They lost their viewers since they moved away from surfing, rock climbing and the likes. It was the only go to channel for people who are into extreme sports. Putting the BYU at Boise State on FS2 was a terrible mistake on their part as ESPN shows those type of games on their network and get 2.0 in ratings everytime.
OLYMPIC CHANNEL is not working so well.
UNIVERSAL KIDS is very low in the ratings. It is part of the bundle with Paramount, SyFy Channel and the likes.
THE COWBOY CHANNEL is more for rural American for farmers, ranchers, and the likes. They show old Roy Rogers tv show, horse training, horses, rodeos and all that. They are not even on basic, and could do better if they have better access. It is a channel that people can learn what ranchers and farmers do and all that as well.
DISCOVERY LIFE CHANNEL could be shut down. They could move some of the programs to TLC to stop some of their reality crap there.
DISCOVERY FAMILY CHANNEL does cartoons and all that.
TENNIS CHANNEL could be better off shutting down. It is not a popular sport at all.
FOX BUSINESS NETWORK can be roll into Fox News.
GREAT AMERICAN FAMILY should be shut down. This was Great American Country, and was the last channel on basic cable that was showing music videos.
BIG TEN NETWORK is in 77th place, and is not doing very good in tv ratings. They need tv media markets, and they could be looking at TCU/Dallas, Colorado/Denver, Utah/Salt Lake City, Arizona/Arizona State/Phoenix, Calford/San Francisco, Rice/Houston, Kansas/Kansas City, Notre Dame/Indy and Chicago, Florida State-USF-Miami for those big Florida tv markets, Georgia Tech/Atlanta, UNC/North Carolina, Virginia/Virginia, Pittsburgh. That is where they would be looking to get into more households.
FX MOVIE CHANNEL could roll into FX or FXXX since they show some movies.
Some of the Nick channels can merge, and so do some Disney channels as well.

It also shows that the Big 10 Network and ACC network lost viewers. So did SEC Network and all the ESPN channels. The numbers for streaming sports is not going up either as ESPN + is losing subscribers.

(03-09-2024 04:03 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(03-05-2024 06:37 PM)Porcine Wrote:  

(03-05-2024 06:26 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-05-2024 06:21 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  It’s crazy that MTV’s ratings are that low. That channel used to be “it” for teens and young adults in the 90s.

Damn. WE're about as far in time from, say, Nirvana on MTV Unplugged as that was from the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan show.

(Paramount stock is tanking, and I really think the company is doomed. Which is wild, since it's the No. 1 TV network, but since only old people watch TV, that doesn't matter.)

Are we going to end up with a handful of streamers like when there was only a handful of channels? What's old is new again?

The best thing would be for each of the 7 providers to have their own streaming platform with Live channels. If you don't watch Paramount channels then you don't need to pay for it. I would personally cancel all the locals from April-August since they are useless to me.

You can get CBS free with an antenna.

(03-10-2024 04:59 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-09-2024 04:20 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(03-06-2024 10:13 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  Cable is over-priced and the providers have been sticking it to the consumers for decades, We finally ditched cable completely, (including internet) last year and while it was an adjustment it is not missed. Streaming IMO offers more options and can be catered to individual interests. We all know how streaming works. I like to ability to cancel or subscribe to different apps every month, season or enter your own time-frame here

Because they deny simple tenets of economics. As Price goes up, the Quantity Demanded goes down. As people left, they raised prices instead of dropping them.

The problem is some of the channels on cable show reruns of the same show like The Golden Girls all the time. Hallmark Channel and CMT does that and they are owned by different companies.
Tru TV is being rebranded to a sports network for WB Discovery now while moving their top shows over to TBS.
G4 is not G4 anymore. It was rebranded to Esquire, but now since shuttered down. G4 was about computers and gaming, and changing it away from the gamers side hurt them since gaming is very popular today.
Pursuit Channel is not on every cable networks, and is second to last.
BEIN SPORT could have problems to survive in the future.
FUSE used to be part of basic, but was moved to extended more expensive package. Now, since they did the same as MTV? They may not survived.
MTV 2 and other cable duplicate channels could wind up shutting down as well. Since there is no music videos being played? Why keep the name MTV or CMT or VH1?
SPORTSMAN CHANNEL is part of the sports package for my local cable. They are cheaper, and could replace some channels on basic. They are owned by The Outdoor Channel.
ACCUWEATHER does 24 hours weather cast, unlike The Weather Channel who moved away from doing weather. This should be more important to move to basic cable where they get the ratings.
FOX SPORTS 2 was the wrong move to change the name of it in the first place. It was known as Fuel Tv that does extreme sports. They lost their viewers since they moved away from surfing, rock climbing and the likes. It was the only go to channel for people who are into extreme sports. Putting the BYU at Boise State on FS2 was a terrible mistake on their part as ESPN shows those type of games on their network and get 2.0 in ratings everytime.
OLYMPIC CHANNEL is not working so well.
UNIVERSAL KIDS is very low in the ratings. It is part of the bundle with Paramount, SyFy Channel and the likes.
THE COWBOY CHANNEL is more for rural American for farmers, ranchers, and the likes. They show old Roy Rogers tv show, horse training, horses, rodeos and all that. They are not even on basic, and could do better if they have better access. It is a channel that people can learn what ranchers and farmers do and all that as well.
DISCOVERY LIFE CHANNEL could be shut down. They could move some of the programs to TLC to stop some of their reality crap there.
DISCOVERY FAMILY CHANNEL does cartoons and all that.
TENNIS CHANNEL could be better off shutting down. It is not a popular sport at all.
FOX BUSINESS NETWORK can be roll into Fox News.
GREAT AMERICAN FAMILY should be shut down. This was Great American Country, and was the last channel on basic cable that was showing music videos.
BIG TEN NETWORK is in 77th place, and is not doing very good in tv ratings. They need tv media markets, and they could be looking at TCU/Dallas, Colorado/Denver, Utah/Salt Lake City, Arizona/Arizona State/Phoenix, Calford/San Francisco, Rice/Houston, Kansas/Kansas City, Notre Dame/Indy and Chicago, Florida State-USF-Miami for those big Florida tv markets, Georgia Tech/Atlanta, UNC/North Carolina, Virginia/Virginia, Pittsburgh. That is where they would be looking to get into more households.
FX MOVIE CHANNEL could roll into FX or FXXX since they show some movies.
Some of the Nick channels can merge, and so do some Disney channels as well.

It also shows that the Big 10 Network and ACC network lost viewers. So did SEC Network and all the ESPN channels. The numbers for streaming sports is not going up either as ESPN + is losing subscribers.

You can't roll FBN into FN, that's 6.5 hours of constant programming that needs its own channel. Looks like many of the secondary channels FXX, MTV2, etc will likely go away. I don't think the college sports channels are in trouble since they are cheap and have the content.

(03-12-2024 06:54 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(03-09-2024 04:03 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(03-05-2024 06:37 PM)Porcine Wrote:  

(03-05-2024 06:26 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-05-2024 06:21 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  It’s crazy that MTV’s ratings are that low. That channel used to be “it” for teens and young adults in the 90s.

Damn. WE're about as far in time from, say, Nirvana on MTV Unplugged as that was from the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan show.

(Paramount stock is tanking, and I really think the company is doomed. Which is wild, since it's the No. 1 TV network, but since only old people watch TV, that doesn't matter.)

Are we going to end up with a handful of streamers like when there was only a handful of channels? What's old is new again?

The best thing would be for each of the 7 providers to have their own streaming platform with Live channels. If you don't watch Paramount channels then you don't need to pay for it. I would personally cancel all the locals from April-August since they are useless to me.

You can get CBS free with an antenna.

Unfortunately I can't anymore or maybe need to invest in better antenna. I received every OTA channel in my old place.

(03-12-2024 08:34 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 06:54 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(03-09-2024 04:03 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(03-05-2024 06:37 PM)Porcine Wrote:  

(03-05-2024 06:26 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Damn. WE're about as far in time from, say, Nirvana on MTV Unplugged as that was from the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan show.

(Paramount stock is tanking, and I really think the company is doomed. Which is wild, since it's the No. 1 TV network, but since only old people watch TV, that doesn't matter.)

Are we going to end up with a handful of streamers like when there was only a handful of channels? What's old is new again?

The best thing would be for each of the 7 providers to have their own streaming platform with Live channels. If you don't watch Paramount channels then you don't need to pay for it. I would personally cancel all the locals from April-August since they are useless to me.

You can get CBS free with an antenna.

Unfortunately I can't anymore or maybe need to invest in better antenna. I received every OTA channel in my old place.

I installed my OTA in my attic and run it over the old coax left over from comcast.

Antennas Direct will show you the available stations and in what direction to place your OTA.

https://www.antennasdirect.com/transmitter-locator.html

(03-12-2024 09:10 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 08:34 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 06:54 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(03-09-2024 04:03 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(03-05-2024 06:37 PM)Porcine Wrote:  Are we going to end up with a handful of streamers like when there was only a handful of channels? What's old is new again?

The best thing would be for each of the 7 providers to have their own streaming platform with Live channels. If you don't watch Paramount channels then you don't need to pay for it. I would personally cancel all the locals from April-August since they are useless to me.

You can get CBS free with an antenna.

Unfortunately I can't anymore or maybe need to invest in better antenna. I received every OTA channel in my old place.

I installed my OTA in my attic and run it over the old coax left over from comcast.

Antennas Direct will show you the available stations and in what direction to place your OTA.

https://www.antennasdirect.com/transmitter-locator.html

Thanks, the one I have was bought in 2017 when my streaming service didn't grant access to CBS. I will need to rescan first.

(03-12-2024 08:33 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(03-10-2024 04:59 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-09-2024 04:20 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(03-06-2024 10:13 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  Cable is over-priced and the providers have been sticking it to the consumers for decades, We finally ditched cable completely, (including internet) last year and while it was an adjustment it is not missed. Streaming IMO offers more options and can be catered to individual interests. We all know how streaming works. I like to ability to cancel or subscribe to different apps every month, season or enter your own time-frame here

Because they deny simple tenets of economics. As Price goes up, the Quantity Demanded goes down. As people left, they raised prices instead of dropping them.

The problem is some of the channels on cable show reruns of the same show like The Golden Girls all the time. Hallmark Channel and CMT does that and they are owned by different companies.
Tru TV is being rebranded to a sports network for WB Discovery now while moving their top shows over to TBS.
G4 is not G4 anymore. It was rebranded to Esquire, but now since shuttered down. G4 was about computers and gaming, and changing it away from the gamers side hurt them since gaming is very popular today.
Pursuit Channel is not on every cable networks, and is second to last.
BEIN SPORT could have problems to survive in the future.
FUSE used to be part of basic, but was moved to extended more expensive package. Now, since they did the same as MTV? They may not survived.
MTV 2 and other cable duplicate channels could wind up shutting down as well. Since there is no music videos being played? Why keep the name MTV or CMT or VH1?
SPORTSMAN CHANNEL is part of the sports package for my local cable. They are cheaper, and could replace some channels on basic. They are owned by The Outdoor Channel.
ACCUWEATHER does 24 hours weather cast, unlike The Weather Channel who moved away from doing weather. This should be more important to move to basic cable where they get the ratings.
FOX SPORTS 2 was the wrong move to change the name of it in the first place. It was known as Fuel Tv that does extreme sports. They lost their viewers since they moved away from surfing, rock climbing and the likes. It was the only go to channel for people who are into extreme sports. Putting the BYU at Boise State on FS2 was a terrible mistake on their part as ESPN shows those type of games on their network and get 2.0 in ratings everytime.
OLYMPIC CHANNEL is not working so well.
UNIVERSAL KIDS is very low in the ratings. It is part of the bundle with Paramount, SyFy Channel and the likes.
THE COWBOY CHANNEL is more for rural American for farmers, ranchers, and the likes. They show old Roy Rogers tv show, horse training, horses, rodeos and all that. They are not even on basic, and could do better if they have better access. It is a channel that people can learn what ranchers and farmers do and all that as well.
DISCOVERY LIFE CHANNEL could be shut down. They could move some of the programs to TLC to stop some of their reality crap there.
DISCOVERY FAMILY CHANNEL does cartoons and all that.
TENNIS CHANNEL could be better off shutting down. It is not a popular sport at all.
FOX BUSINESS NETWORK can be roll into Fox News.
GREAT AMERICAN FAMILY should be shut down. This was Great American Country, and was the last channel on basic cable that was showing music videos.
BIG TEN NETWORK is in 77th place, and is not doing very good in tv ratings. They need tv media markets, and they could be looking at TCU/Dallas, Colorado/Denver, Utah/Salt Lake City, Arizona/Arizona State/Phoenix, Calford/San Francisco, Rice/Houston, Kansas/Kansas City, Notre Dame/Indy and Chicago, Florida State-USF-Miami for those big Florida tv markets, Georgia Tech/Atlanta, UNC/North Carolina, Virginia/Virginia, Pittsburgh. That is where they would be looking to get into more households.
FX MOVIE CHANNEL could roll into FX or FXXX since they show some movies.
Some of the Nick channels can merge, and so do some Disney channels as well.

It also shows that the Big 10 Network and ACC network lost viewers. So did SEC Network and all the ESPN channels. The numbers for streaming sports is not going up either as ESPN + is losing subscribers.

You can't roll FBN into FN, that's 6.5 hours of constant programming that needs its own channel. Looks like many of the secondary channels FXX, MTV2, etc will likely go away. I don't think the college sports channels are in trouble since they are cheap and have the content.

Look at what happened to the PAC 12 Network? Do I need enough explanation there?

(03-12-2024 12:51 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 08:33 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(03-10-2024 04:59 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-09-2024 04:20 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(03-06-2024 10:13 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  Cable is over-priced and the providers have been sticking it to the consumers for decades, We finally ditched cable completely, (including internet) last year and while it was an adjustment it is not missed. Streaming IMO offers more options and can be catered to individual interests. We all know how streaming works. I like to ability to cancel or subscribe to different apps every month, season or enter your own time-frame here

Because they deny simple tenets of economics. As Price goes up, the Quantity Demanded goes down. As people left, they raised prices instead of dropping them.

The problem is some of the channels on cable show reruns of the same show like The Golden Girls all the time. Hallmark Channel and CMT does that and they are owned by different companies.
Tru TV is being rebranded to a sports network for WB Discovery now while moving their top shows over to TBS.
G4 is not G4 anymore. It was rebranded to Esquire, but now since shuttered down. G4 was about computers and gaming, and changing it away from the gamers side hurt them since gaming is very popular today.
Pursuit Channel is not on every cable networks, and is second to last.
BEIN SPORT could have problems to survive in the future.
FUSE used to be part of basic, but was moved to extended more expensive package. Now, since they did the same as MTV? They may not survived.
MTV 2 and other cable duplicate channels could wind up shutting down as well. Since there is no music videos being played? Why keep the name MTV or CMT or VH1?
SPORTSMAN CHANNEL is part of the sports package for my local cable. They are cheaper, and could replace some channels on basic. They are owned by The Outdoor Channel.
ACCUWEATHER does 24 hours weather cast, unlike The Weather Channel who moved away from doing weather. This should be more important to move to basic cable where they get the ratings.
FOX SPORTS 2 was the wrong move to change the name of it in the first place. It was known as Fuel Tv that does extreme sports. They lost their viewers since they moved away from surfing, rock climbing and the likes. It was the only go to channel for people who are into extreme sports. Putting the BYU at Boise State on FS2 was a terrible mistake on their part as ESPN shows those type of games on their network and get 2.0 in ratings everytime.
OLYMPIC CHANNEL is not working so well.
UNIVERSAL KIDS is very low in the ratings. It is part of the bundle with Paramount, SyFy Channel and the likes.
THE COWBOY CHANNEL is more for rural American for farmers, ranchers, and the likes. They show old Roy Rogers tv show, horse training, horses, rodeos and all that. They are not even on basic, and could do better if they have better access. It is a channel that people can learn what ranchers and farmers do and all that as well.
DISCOVERY LIFE CHANNEL could be shut down. They could move some of the programs to TLC to stop some of their reality crap there.
DISCOVERY FAMILY CHANNEL does cartoons and all that.
TENNIS CHANNEL could be better off shutting down. It is not a popular sport at all.
FOX BUSINESS NETWORK can be roll into Fox News.
GREAT AMERICAN FAMILY should be shut down. This was Great American Country, and was the last channel on basic cable that was showing music videos.
BIG TEN NETWORK is in 77th place, and is not doing very good in tv ratings. They need tv media markets, and they could be looking at TCU/Dallas, Colorado/Denver, Utah/Salt Lake City, Arizona/Arizona State/Phoenix, Calford/San Francisco, Rice/Houston, Kansas/Kansas City, Notre Dame/Indy and Chicago, Florida State-USF-Miami for those big Florida tv markets, Georgia Tech/Atlanta, UNC/North Carolina, Virginia/Virginia, Pittsburgh. That is where they would be looking to get into more households.
FX MOVIE CHANNEL could roll into FX or FXXX since they show some movies.
Some of the Nick channels can merge, and so do some Disney channels as well.

It also shows that the Big 10 Network and ACC network lost viewers. So did SEC Network and all the ESPN channels. The numbers for streaming sports is not going up either as ESPN + is losing subscribers.

You can't roll FBN into FN, that's 6.5 hours of constant programming that needs its own channel. Looks like many of the secondary channels FXX, MTV2, etc will likely go away. I don't think the college sports channels are in trouble since they are cheap and have the content.

Look at what happened to the PAC 12 Network? Do I need enough explanation there?

It's a false equivalency. 80% of the people live in the East and Central and have much more interest in sports. There is little interest in sports out west. Those channels above are owned by ESPN and FOX who already purchased the rights (sunk costs) and have enough content to at worst breakeven.