(03-07-2024 01:06 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 12:18 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 12:15 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  As for the MAC, I suspect Western Kentucky will be No. 14.

$3 million exit fee. Grant-of-rights. All for a lateral move? Nope.

I'm unaware of an exit fee, just a grant-of-rights to Conference USA that grows less onerous each year. Matt Brown offers some insight here: https://www.extrapointsmb.com/p/heres-co...agreement.

GOR plus normal exit fee (which is actually giving up 2 years of conference revenue).

(03-07-2024 12:51 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  I know a lot of people on this board think MAC and CUSA programs should scramble to the front of the line to join the AAC but with a couple of P2 realignment moves the AAC could be history.

SEC (FSU, Clemson, UNC, NC St)
B1G (ND, UVA, Miami)
ACC (UConn, USF, UAB, Tulane, Memphis)
2PAC (Tulsa, UNT, Rice, UTSA)
MAC (Army, Temple, Navy, Charlotte)
SBC (East Carolina, Florida Atlantic)

AAC could easily get to the point where its TV deal is no longer viable. A MAC with UMass and Delaware should be attractive for Army and/or Temple should they need a place to go as opposed to alternatives like CUSA or the SBC.

It really could be the so called "upper G5s" be the ones going away. MWC through merger with 2PAC and AAC picked apart by P4 realignment.

It's going to be both sad and funny when the left behinds in the AAC have to rejoin either the C-USA or the SBC.

(03-07-2024 02:35 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 12:51 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  I know a lot of people on this board think MAC and CUSA programs should scramble to the front of the line to join the AAC but with a couple of P2 realignment moves the AAC could be history.

SEC (FSU, Clemson, UNC, NC St)
B1G (ND, UVA, Miami)
ACC (UConn, USF, UAB, Tulane, Memphis)
2PAC (Tulsa, UNT, Rice, UTSA)
MAC (Army, Temple, Navy, Charlotte)
SBC (East Carolina, Florida Atlantic)

AAC could easily get to the point where its TV deal is no longer viable. A MAC with UMass and Delaware should be attractive for Army and/or Temple should they need a place to go as opposed to alternatives like CUSA or the SBC.

It really could be the so called "upper G5s" be the ones going away. MWC through merger with 2PAC and AAC picked apart by P4 realignment.

It's going to be both sad and funny when the left behinds in the AAC have to rejoin either the C-USA or the SBC.

and pay an entrance fee.

(03-07-2024 02:35 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 12:51 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  I know a lot of people on this board think MAC and CUSA programs should scramble to the front of the line to join the AAC but with a couple of P2 realignment moves the AAC could be history.

SEC (FSU, Clemson, UNC, NC St)
B1G (ND, UVA, Miami)
ACC (UConn, USF, UAB, Tulane, Memphis)
2PAC (Tulsa, UNT, Rice, UTSA)
MAC (Army, Temple, Navy, Charlotte)
SBC (East Carolina, Florida Atlantic)

AAC could easily get to the point where its TV deal is no longer viable. A MAC with UMass and Delaware should be attractive for Army and/or Temple should they need a place to go as opposed to alternatives like CUSA or the SBC.

It really could be the so called "upper G5s" be the ones going away. MWC through merger with 2PAC and AAC picked apart by P4 realignment.

It's going to be both sad and funny when the left behinds in the AAC have to rejoin either the C-USA or the SBC.

I don't see Army, Navy or Temple signing on to CUSA when UMass wouldn't even do it.

Temple is #89 in the USWNR. Was previously in MAC FB.

Army/Navy were in talks with the MAC in the 90s.

The possible future crumbling of the AAC has been discussed on this board for some time now and it has yet to happen. Members have left — but have been replaced. Somehow the AAC has battled on. And though I can foresee a few current members departing at some point, I can just as easily see none getting a ticket out.

As a Memphis fan, I would hope the university would find a way to land in the Mountain West/Pac (with a few other AAC members) if multiple AAC members leave.

(03-07-2024 03:25 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 02:35 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 12:51 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  I know a lot of people on this board think MAC and CUSA programs should scramble to the front of the line to join the AAC but with a couple of P2 realignment moves the AAC could be history.

SEC (FSU, Clemson, UNC, NC St)
B1G (ND, UVA, Miami)
ACC (UConn, USF, UAB, Tulane, Memphis)
2PAC (Tulsa, UNT, Rice, UTSA)
MAC (Army, Temple, Navy, Charlotte)
SBC (East Carolina, Florida Atlantic)

AAC could easily get to the point where its TV deal is no longer viable. A MAC with UMass and Delaware should be attractive for Army and/or Temple should they need a place to go as opposed to alternatives like CUSA or the SBC.

It really could be the so called "upper G5s" be the ones going away. MWC through merger with 2PAC and AAC picked apart by P4 realignment.

It's going to be both sad and funny when the left behinds in the AAC have to rejoin either the C-USA or the SBC.

I don't see Army, Navy or Temple signing on to CUSA when UMass wouldn't even do it.

Temple is #89 in the USWNR. Was previously in MAC FB.

Army/Navy were in talks with the MAC in the 90s.

Temple may rejoin the MAC as a full member. Army and Navy would go back to being independent.

(03-07-2024 03:33 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  The possible future crumbling of the AAC has been discussed on this board for some time now and it has yet to happen. Members have left — but have been replaced. Somehow the AAC has battled on. And though I can foresee a few current members departing at some point, I can just as easily see none getting a ticket out.

As a Memphis fan, I would hope the university would find a way to land in the Mountain West/Pac (with a few other AAC members) if multiple AAC members leave.

It hasn't happended yet obviously as the AAC was able to rebuild through the last realignment cycle and the promise of playoff which has helped land the independents.

In the 5-10 year analysis its entirely possible, mainly due to the P2 thing and trickle down additions.

(03-07-2024 03:25 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 02:35 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 12:51 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  I know a lot of people on this board think MAC and CUSA programs should scramble to the front of the line to join the AAC but with a couple of P2 realignment moves the AAC could be history.

SEC (FSU, Clemson, UNC, NC St)
B1G (ND, UVA, Miami)
ACC (UConn, USF, UAB, Tulane, Memphis)
2PAC (Tulsa, UNT, Rice, UTSA)
MAC (Army, Temple, Navy, Charlotte)
SBC (East Carolina, Florida Atlantic)

AAC could easily get to the point where its TV deal is no longer viable. A MAC with UMass and Delaware should be attractive for Army and/or Temple should they need a place to go as opposed to alternatives like CUSA or the SBC.

It really could be the so called "upper G5s" be the ones going away. MWC through merger with 2PAC and AAC picked apart by P4 realignment.

It's going to be both sad and funny when the left behinds in the AAC have to rejoin either the C-USA or the SBC.

I don't see Army, Navy or Temple signing on to CUSA when UMass wouldn't even do it.

Temple is #89 in the USWNR. Was previously in MAC FB.

Army/Navy were in talks with the MAC in the 90s.

Even UMass wouldn't do it?


You mean CUSA wouldn't do it. You don't know that CUSA made an offer. And why in the world would we have?

(03-07-2024 03:34 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 03:25 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 02:35 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 12:51 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  I know a lot of people on this board think MAC and CUSA programs should scramble to the front of the line to join the AAC but with a couple of P2 realignment moves the AAC could be history.

SEC (FSU, Clemson, UNC, NC St)
B1G (ND, UVA, Miami)
ACC (UConn, USF, UAB, Tulane, Memphis)
2PAC (Tulsa, UNT, Rice, UTSA)
MAC (Army, Temple, Navy, Charlotte)
SBC (East Carolina, Florida Atlantic)

AAC could easily get to the point where its TV deal is no longer viable. A MAC with UMass and Delaware should be attractive for Army and/or Temple should they need a place to go as opposed to alternatives like CUSA or the SBC.

It really could be the so called "upper G5s" be the ones going away. MWC through merger with 2PAC and AAC picked apart by P4 realignment.

It's going to be both sad and funny when the left behinds in the AAC have to rejoin either the C-USA or the SBC.

I don't see Army, Navy or Temple signing on to CUSA when UMass wouldn't even do it.

Temple is #89 in the USWNR. Was previously in MAC FB.

Army/Navy were in talks with the MAC in the 90s.

Temple may rejoin the MAC as a full member. Army and Navy would go back to being independent.

Army/Navy almost joined the MAC in the late 90s before the TV deals took off at the G5 level. They could compete in a pod with UMass, Delaware and Temple. That would practically be giving them an east coast divison.

The way the game is going with NIL is exceedling difficult environment for a service academy to be involved in. Now they could wind up in a watered down ACC or XII possibly but may not want that.

(03-07-2024 04:26 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 03:34 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 03:25 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  Army/Navy were in talks with the MAC in the 90s.

Temple may rejoin the MAC as a full member. Army and Navy would go back to being independent.

Army/Navy almost joined the MAC in the late 90s

Gonna need a source on that.

(03-07-2024 04:35 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 04:26 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 03:34 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 03:25 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  Army/Navy were in talks with the MAC in the 90s.

Temple may rejoin the MAC as a full member. Army and Navy would go back to being independent.

Army/Navy almost joined the MAC in the late 90s

Gonna need a source on that.

Nick In Cleveland is the source. Had insight from the conference office on it that there were talks and was close to happening at point.

(03-07-2024 03:34 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  Temple may rejoin the MAC as a full member. Army and Navy would go back to being independent.

I agree, more or less.

Temple? Possibly. Not the service academies.

(03-07-2024 04:35 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 04:26 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 03:34 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 03:25 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  Army/Navy were in talks with the MAC in the 90s.

Temple may rejoin the MAC as a full member. Army and Navy would go back to being independent.

Army/Navy almost joined the MAC in the late 90s

Gonna need a source on that.

I found the threads on it. Nick at one time posted conference interviews on a website and they no longer seem to be hosted under Vandelay sports.

He said negotiations for MAC to add Army/Navy were closer than what anyone would realize. Happened back when Marshall was at its peak in the MAC.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-132261.html

Another one.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-136196.html

The economics definitely don't work now BUT if Army or Temple are left out of a P4 either by choice or otherwise the MAC could be there as a landing pad.

For example maybe after the P4 has their pickings 2PAC expands east and with Air Force in the confernce for the merger they expand with some eastern schools to pick up Navy but leave Army and Temple out of it. Army/Temple then with no AAC decide to head to the MAC and play in an east coast pod. A pod with UMass and Delaware.

Also I think Philadelphia is an important market in the Army/Navy rivalry. Halfway between the two schools and in the middle of the megapolis. Delaware near this location is attractive for them to play. MAC increases their chances of getting a piece of that rivalry with Delaware.

I may be wrong and the AAC at first moment adds Delaware when they lose schools. But I expect the amount of schools the AAC will lose to be enough to nix their TV deal valuation and throw the entire conference into question.

(03-07-2024 04:53 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 03:34 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  Temple may rejoin the MAC as a full member. Army and Navy would go back to being independent.

I agree, more or less.

Temple? Possibly. Not the service academies.

It just depends how bad the AAC becomes. They are already pushing it with programs like USTA, UNT and Charlotte in there.

Would they get aboard the 2PAC train? Maybe not because of the geography.

(03-06-2024 01:31 PM)gwelymernans Wrote:  I'd say B is preferable, A or D acceptable.

C doesn't work b/c UConn can schedule better as an indy and that's important b/c they still have ACC/B12 aspirations

Disagree…
There are very few INDYs left so this will be very difficulty moving forward especially later in the season. (ACC only if current ACC totally falls apart)