(03-08-2024 04:19 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 03:58 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 03:54 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 03:41 PM)goofus Wrote:  Still not clear to me if each Big Ten member gets a share equal to each member of SEC. So that case, each member gets

58% / 34 teams = 1.71% per team.

Or does Big Ten conference get exactly half of total 58% pot and the SEC get half.

So the Big Ten share
29% / 18 teams = 1.61% per team

And the SEC share
29% / 16 teams = 1.81% per team

My guess is the first one. The Big Ten and SEC are splitting the 58% pot 34 ways

It's not split equally.

"Considering the distribution percentages, SEC teams will earn as much as $23 million annually, Big Ten $21 million, ACC around $13.7 million and Big 12 around $12.3 million. Group of Five teams are expected to earn a figure just south of $2 million."

SEC Team gets $23M Each = 1.77% per team
B1G Team gets $21M Each = 1.62% per team
ACC Team gets $13.7M Each = 1.05% per team
B12 Team gets $12.3M Each = 0.95% per team

So what does Notre Dame and UConn get?

UConn gets nothing because its not in a G5 Conference.

Notre Dame probably gets about $15M

The non ND independents got a share before. I expect they will continue to.

(03-08-2024 03:54 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 03:41 PM)goofus Wrote:  Still not clear to me if each Big Ten member gets a share equal to each member of SEC. So that case, each member gets

58% / 34 teams = 1.71% per team.

Or does Big Ten conference get exactly half of total 58% pot and the SEC get half.

So the Big Ten share
29% / 18 teams = 1.61% per team

And the SEC share
29% / 16 teams = 1.81% per team

My guess is the first one. The Big Ten and SEC are splitting the 58% pot 34 ways

It's not split equally. If you keep reading he does a per team breakdown in the article.

"Considering the distribution percentages, SEC teams will earn as much as $23 million annually, Big Ten $21 million, ACC around $13.7 million and Big 12 around $12.3 million. Group of Five teams are expected to earn a figure just south of $2 million."

SEC Team gets $23M Each = 1.77% per team
B1G Team gets $21M Each = 1.62% per team
ACC Team gets $13.7M Each = 1.05% per team
B12 Team gets $12.3M Each = 0.95% per team

Until the SEC adds two teams. Then each gets $21M.

(03-08-2024 04:30 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 04:19 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 03:58 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 03:54 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 03:41 PM)goofus Wrote:  Still not clear to me if each Big Ten member gets a share equal to each member of SEC. So that case, each member gets

58% / 34 teams = 1.71% per team.

Or does Big Ten conference get exactly half of total 58% pot and the SEC get half.

So the Big Ten share
29% / 18 teams = 1.61% per team

And the SEC share
29% / 16 teams = 1.81% per team

My guess is the first one. The Big Ten and SEC are splitting the 58% pot 34 ways

It's not split equally.

"Considering the distribution percentages, SEC teams will earn as much as $23 million annually, Big Ten $21 million, ACC around $13.7 million and Big 12 around $12.3 million. Group of Five teams are expected to earn a figure just south of $2 million."

SEC Team gets $23M Each = 1.77% per team
B1G Team gets $21M Each = 1.62% per team
ACC Team gets $13.7M Each = 1.05% per team
B12 Team gets $12.3M Each = 0.95% per team

So what does Notre Dame and UConn get?

UConn gets nothing because its not in a G5 Conference.

Notre Dame probably gets about $15M

The non ND independents got a share before. I expect they will continue to.

Link?

I'm pretty sure Notre Dame is the only independent to receive CFP distributions.

(03-08-2024 03:57 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 03:27 PM)Herd6993 Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 12:49 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  There's a bit in this article besides payout negotiations.

- Talks of 2/2/1/1/1+7 and 5+9 in addition to the 3/3/2/2/1+3 for a 14 team CFP.

- Clemson quietly planning an ACC escape.

- Not new, if ESPN doesn't exercise the ACC media contract, the magnificent 7 potentially reforming a smaller league
(my opinion, add Louisville, need 8 teams for CFP & NCAA, and keep ND olympic sports plus a 4 game scheduling agreement for football, maybe Duke too because basketball)

- Another mention of AAC and MWC viewed as above the rest of G5

That was a statement by the Washington State President who clearly has an agenda when it comes to the MWC. As to the AAC, historically speaking he would be correct.

I was referring to a Dodd article first mentioning the separation of the AAC and MWC from the rest of the G5, but MWC is included because they have the football history from Utah, TCU, BYU, and Boise St. in the BCS/NY6, and they have schools that are/have been at least considered for the Power conferences (mainly the PAC before it's demise and the B12). AAC is obvious as you mentioned. SBC has potential, but as it stands right now, they may be above CUSA and the MAC, but they're not above the AAC and MWC, at least politically and financially.

Good point. The Sun Belt, to use the most likely example, could be the best G5 on the football field each of the next 10 seasons. But that would not necessarily make the SBC football more valuable, influential and/or prestigious than AAC and/or MWC football.

(03-08-2024 04:34 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 04:30 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 04:19 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 03:58 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 03:54 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  It's not split equally.

"Considering the distribution percentages, SEC teams will earn as much as $23 million annually, Big Ten $21 million, ACC around $13.7 million and Big 12 around $12.3 million. Group of Five teams are expected to earn a figure just south of $2 million."

SEC Team gets $23M Each = 1.77% per team
B1G Team gets $21M Each = 1.62% per team
ACC Team gets $13.7M Each = 1.05% per team
B12 Team gets $12.3M Each = 0.95% per team

So what does Notre Dame and UConn get?

UConn gets nothing because its not in a G5 Conference.

Notre Dame probably gets about $15M

The non ND independents got a share before. I expect they will continue to.

Link?

I'm pretty sure Notre Dame is the only independent to receive CFP distributions.

CFP Revenue

Quote:Based on calculations from the 2022-23 season, the following distributions were made in the spring of 2023 (Estimates for the 2023-24 season will be finalized following the 2024 CFP National Championship.):

Each of the 10 conferences received a base amount. For conferences that have contracts for their champions to participate in the Orange, Rose, or Sugar bowls, the base combined with the full academic performance pool was approximately $79.41 million for each conference. The five conferences that do not have contracts for their champions to participate in the Orange, Rose or Sugar bowls received approximately $102.77 million in aggregate (full academic pool plus base). The conferences distribute these funds as they choose. Notre Dame received a payment of $3.89 million by meeting the APR standard; the other six independents shared $1.89 million.

(03-08-2024 03:54 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 03:41 PM)goofus Wrote:  Still not clear to me if each Big Ten member gets a share equal to each member of SEC. So that case, each member gets

58% / 34 teams = 1.71% per team.

Or does Big Ten conference get exactly half of total 58% pot and the SEC get half.

So the Big Ten share
29% / 18 teams = 1.61% per team

And the SEC share
29% / 16 teams = 1.81% per team

My guess is the first one. The Big Ten and SEC are splitting the 58% pot 34 ways

It's not split equally. If you keep reading he does a per team breakdown in the article.

"Considering the distribution percentages, SEC teams will earn as much as $23 million annually, Big Ten $21 million, ACC around $13.7 million and Big 12 around $12.3 million. Group of Five teams are expected to earn a figure just south of $2 million."

SEC Team gets $23M Each = 1.77% per team
B1G Team gets $21M Each = 1.62% per team
ACC Team gets $13.7M Each = 1.05% per team
B12 Team gets $12.3M Each = 0.95% per team

Power-teams' revenue is scheduled to be divided at approximately 1.22% per team for the next two years...for the 2024 & 2025 seasons (WOSU and SMU decisions were the questions in determining that exact final percentage). The G5 get the balance.

The SEC and B1G are definitely squeezing as much as they can in this proposal.

(03-08-2024 04:14 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 01:26 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 12:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Proposal floated gives SEC and B1G about 29% of CFP revenue each, ACC and B12 get around 15%, G4 and ND get 10%

What will those percentages be once the SEC and BIG gut the ACC like a Carolina Mountain Trout?

Hard to see the ACC on par value wise with the Big 12, even if only FSU and Clemson leave and everyone else sticks around. More realistic scenario is FSU and Clemson leave, then UNC and Miami, then everyone else who can escape joins the Big 12. Would be interesting to see if any of those eventual Big 12 members decide to strike early if FSU starts winning court cases.

Ah, looks like Yormark already planned for that:

The contract is expected to include a definitive “look-in” provision in 2028. The look-in provision can be triggered before that date from any conference realignment — a provision that Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark encouraged to be added, according to those familiar with the discussions.

ESPN would stop giving more money to the Big 12 because they own the ACC Network, and they still have power men's basketball schools there like Duke, Louisville, Wake, Syracuse, Pitt and they could get Baylor, Kansas, Memphis, Oklahoma State and the likes to jump from the Big 12 to the ACC for more money. UCF, West Virginia, UConn and Cincinnati could move as well to the ACC. ESPN would now be full control of some Big 12 schools. You could see schools like San Diego Sate, New Mexico and UNLV or UNR go over to the ACC as well for the Calford. I think TCU and four corner schools be gone to the Big 10. MWC and AAC schools will be the schools that the Big 12 will have to backfill again. BY got way too greedy to go after schools, and now the Big 12 is being punished for it.

(03-08-2024 04:41 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 04:34 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 04:30 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 04:19 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 03:58 PM)goofus Wrote:  So what does Notre Dame and UConn get?

UConn gets nothing because its not in a G5 Conference.

Notre Dame probably gets about $15M

The non ND independents got a share before. I expect they will continue to.

Link?

I'm pretty sure Notre Dame is the only independent to receive CFP distributions.

CFP Revenue

Quote:Based on calculations from the 2022-23 season, the following distributions were made in the spring of 2023 (Estimates for the 2023-24 season will be finalized following the 2024 CFP National Championship.):

Each of the 10 conferences received a base amount. For conferences that have contracts for their champions to participate in the Orange, Rose, or Sugar bowls, the base combined with the full academic performance pool was approximately $79.41 million for each conference. The five conferences that do not have contracts for their champions to participate in the Orange, Rose or Sugar bowls received approximately $102.77 million in aggregate (full academic pool plus base). The conferences distribute these funds as they choose. Notre Dame received a payment of $3.89 million by meeting the APR standard; the other six independents shared $1.89 million.

Okay, $1.89M/6 = $315k
UConn made $0.3M before.

The G5 doubled from $1M to a little less than $2M.

Maybe we triple UConn and get them up to a $1M. Congrats!

(03-08-2024 04:48 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 04:41 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 04:34 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 04:30 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 04:19 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  UConn gets nothing because its not in a G5 Conference.

Notre Dame probably gets about $15M

The non ND independents got a share before. I expect they will continue to.

Link?

I'm pretty sure Notre Dame is the only independent to receive CFP distributions.

CFP Revenue

Quote:Based on calculations from the 2022-23 season, the following distributions were made in the spring of 2023 (Estimates for the 2023-24 season will be finalized following the 2024 CFP National Championship.):

Each of the 10 conferences received a base amount. For conferences that have contracts for their champions to participate in the Orange, Rose, or Sugar bowls, the base combined with the full academic performance pool was approximately $79.41 million for each conference. The five conferences that do not have contracts for their champions to participate in the Orange, Rose or Sugar bowls received approximately $102.77 million in aggregate (full academic pool plus base). The conferences distribute these funds as they choose. Notre Dame received a payment of $3.89 million by meeting the APR standard; the other six independents shared $1.89 million.

Okay, $1.89M/6 = $315k
UConn made $0.3M before.

The G5 doubled from $1M to a little less than $2M.

Maybe we triple UConn and get them up to a $1M. Congrats!

I think it would be fair to boast AAC and MWC to $5 million because of their history. There should be a divide between them and the rest. It would give them money to help prepare some schools to move to M2.

(03-08-2024 01:46 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 01:09 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 12:19 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

may the SEC and B1G rot. college football is dead. hello NFL and free time on weekends.

The revenue offer from the SEC and B1G is harsh. They have power and are taking full advantage. It’s proposing to add another $10M per year gap in playoff revenues between SEC/B1G and ACC/B12 schools. To make their conferences the financial winners regardless of on-field performance. They clearly want to fully subjugate the ACC….using it as a developmental league for when they need to expand.

It doesn't surprise me. The SEC and B1G have the power because they have the brand value, which is what brings in money. So this is reasonable to me. If someone was fine with the B12 making a lot more from the CFP than the MW they should imo be fine with the SEC making a lot more than the B12. It based on the same idea.

IMO fans of nB12 and nACC schools who thought the division would be equal like in the CFP were always in for a rude awakening.

(03-08-2024 04:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 04:48 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 04:41 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 04:34 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 04:30 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  The non ND independents got a share before. I expect they will continue to.

Link?

I'm pretty sure Notre Dame is the only independent to receive CFP distributions.

CFP Revenue

Quote:Based on calculations from the 2022-23 season, the following distributions were made in the spring of 2023 (Estimates for the 2023-24 season will be finalized following the 2024 CFP National Championship.):

Each of the 10 conferences received a base amount. For conferences that have contracts for their champions to participate in the Orange, Rose, or Sugar bowls, the base combined with the full academic performance pool was approximately $79.41 million for each conference. The five conferences that do not have contracts for their champions to participate in the Orange, Rose or Sugar bowls received approximately $102.77 million in aggregate (full academic pool plus base). The conferences distribute these funds as they choose. Notre Dame received a payment of $3.89 million by meeting the APR standard; the other six independents shared $1.89 million.

Okay, $1.89M/6 = $315k
UConn made $0.3M before.

The G5 doubled from $1M to a little less than $2M.

Maybe we triple UConn and get them up to a $1M. Congrats!

I think it would be fair to boast AAC and MWC to $5 million because of their history. There should be a divide between them and the rest. It would give them money to help prepare some schools to move to M2.

IMO the SB is right there with the AAC and MW so i would give them the same.

(03-08-2024 05:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 04:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 04:48 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 04:41 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 04:34 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Link?

I'm pretty sure Notre Dame is the only independent to receive CFP distributions.

CFP Revenue

Quote:Based on calculations from the 2022-23 season, the following distributions were made in the spring of 2023 (Estimates for the 2023-24 season will be finalized following the 2024 CFP National Championship.):

Each of the 10 conferences received a base amount. For conferences that have contracts for their champions to participate in the Orange, Rose, or Sugar bowls, the base combined with the full academic performance pool was approximately $79.41 million for each conference. The five conferences that do not have contracts for their champions to participate in the Orange, Rose or Sugar bowls received approximately $102.77 million in aggregate (full academic pool plus base). The conferences distribute these funds as they choose. Notre Dame received a payment of $3.89 million by meeting the APR standard; the other six independents shared $1.89 million.

Okay, $1.89M/6 = $315k
UConn made $0.3M before.

The G5 doubled from $1M to a little less than $2M.

Maybe we triple UConn and get them up to a $1M. Congrats!

I think it would be fair to boast AAC and MWC to $5 million because of their history. There should be a divide between them and the rest. It would give them money to help prepare some schools to move to M2.

IMO the SB is right there with the AAC and MW so i would give them the same.

They aren't yet - especially when it come to brand names. Improving, but still behind

(03-08-2024 04:30 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  There are some G5 schools that are better than some P2 and M2, and should deserve more money than just peanuts.

Boise State should get 5% of the money all by themselves.

(03-08-2024 02:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 01:26 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 12:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Proposal floated gives SEC and B1G about 29% of CFP revenue each, ACC and B12 get around 15%, G4 and ND get 10%

What will those percentages be once the SEC and BIG gut the ACC like a Carolina Mountain Trout?

I don't think the play here is what Dellenger thinks it is. By pushing for the unacceptable the Big 10 and SEC is beckoning the ACC and Big 12 to join them in an upper tier where they don't split the playoff money between the G5 and N.D.

That single move would enable the SEC and Big 10 to consolidate the entire playoff among the now P4 and force Notre Dame into a conference if they want a decent share.

There might still be some moves to take the SEC and Big 10 to 20 with the coalescing of a third conference out of the ACC and Big 12. But the point is all of the money stays with the upper tier which is what the networks and conferences are working toward without saying so.

I’m not seeing how this proposal would encourage a P4 breakaway (and I say that as someone that has long seen a P4 breakaway - or at least a similar number of schools as there are now in the P4 - as more likely than a P2 breakaway). This proposed financial structure essentially makes the G5 share immaterial. The ND share of 1% is even more immaterial. The ACC and Big 12 have *less* incentive to go after the G5 money than they do in the current system. It’s nowhere near worth it.

That’s not to say that a breakaway won’t eventually happen, but this revenue distribution proposal in and of itself doesn’t really encourage it. That last 10% that they’re giving to the G5 is barely anything. At the same time, let’s not kid ourselves that ND is gong to be forced to do a single thing (and I have every fan-based incentive in the world to say that ND should be forced into a conference). Whatever the Big Ten and SEC do will have ND come along for the ride.

(03-08-2024 04:23 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 03:59 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 03:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 03:00 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 02:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I don't think the play here is what Dellenger thinks it is. By pushing for the unacceptable the Big 10 and SEC is beckoning the ACC and Big 12 to join them in an upper tier where they don't split the playoff money between the G5 and N.D.

That single move would enable the SEC and Big 10 to consolidate the entire playoff among the now P4 and force Notre Dame into a conference if they want a decent share.

There might still be some moves to take the SEC and Big 10 to 20 with the coalescing of a third conference out of the ACC and Big 12. But the point is all of the money stays with the upper tier which is what the networks and conferences are working toward without saying so.

Ding ding ding! This is exactly the angle they are going for.

The question is will the new organization be just for football or all sports. My guess is just football for now.

All revenue sports. They know that already. There is no need to declare it until some basketball brands are taken. Pile of money #2 to help with the leap to professionalization of revenue sports will be a basketball tournament coupled with the baseball and softball tournaments and women's hoops tourney.

You do know the men’s tournament funds the entire NCAA operation. So this new entity isn’t really going to be making any money from it considering they will need to create an entirely new organization and fund it from the ground up. It will be a money loser. This is why the SEC and Big Ten are seeing how much they can get from the NCAA and not simply just leaving.

Gee whiz that's a backwards take. Not having 70 million a year from the NCAA tournament rat holed in one of two-billion-dollar endowments by the NCAA makes it a money maker from the get-go. Not having the NCAA involved at all means the networks direct it and all of the proceeds are paid out each year to the networks involved and to the schools involved. The simplicity of professionalization means if the players are paid and get NIL and they are under contract there is no need for governance because law governs the relationships. There is no organization to fund from the ground up! Officials will be paid either by the whole of the upper tier or by the conferences in it.

What does the Big 10, SEC or any of the P4 conferences which join going to need from a bureaucracy? Nada! Does the NFL and MLB have a massive bureaucracy? No. They have management to be sure and attorneys like any corporation, but they aren't funding multiple levels of schools who can't afford to play sports without massive subsidies. The don't have an enforcement office to fund because contract law covers it all. I am constantly floored by the brain lock that if the SEC and Big 10 broke away they would have to rebuild the NCAA part Deux. That's the beauty of professionalization. Yes, you have to pay the athletes. No, you don't need to drag the former bureaucracy along. AD's and Commissioners still work out scheduling. Officials are still trained and paid. Venues are maintained by a set of agreed upon standards. And everyone is under contract. It's called efficiency and another great thing about it is if the members want rule changes then only they vote on them.

What they don't get is a tournament share broken down and paid over 6 years so the NCAA can draw interest on the unpaid balance for as long as possible. What they don't get is being responsible for programs not even from their own states. Not being subject to a flip-flopping oversight committee and having a third-party strip them of titles or tell them they can't have post season play because a grade was fixed when some school who offers phony classes and bills them through the bursar's office skates.

Every school in the upper tier, plus the basketball only schools which will be permitted to play at that level because they opted into it, will get full shares of the event money each year, not payouts over the next 6 years. And they will divide the split between the networks and the schools in the tourney. If the upper tier tourney has 48 schools in it and the networks divide the profit 50/50 with the schools each school playing would take home 10.4 million for the tournament. It wouldn't matter how many rounds you make, unless you wanted to divide it up that way. That's a lot more money than all but the final four get now.

The tournament is a cash cow. And an upper tier tournament will still draw the most eyes and make the most money.

You’re forgetting the upwards to 30 other sports universities field outside of football and men’s hoops. Who is governing them? FOX?! lol fat chance!

Everything you type is fine and dandy if only football and hoops breakaway, but the NCAA isn’t going to house the remainder of the revenue drains without any revenue to fund their conglomerate. So this breakaway has a lot more on their plate than the NFL or NBA. A whole mess of a lot.

(03-08-2024 05:16 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 02:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 01:26 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 12:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Proposal floated gives SEC and B1G about 29% of CFP revenue each, ACC and B12 get around 15%, G4 and ND get 10%

What will those percentages be once the SEC and BIG gut the ACC like a Carolina Mountain Trout?

I don't think the play here is what Dellenger thinks it is. By pushing for the unacceptable the Big 10 and SEC is beckoning the ACC and Big 12 to join them in an upper tier where they don't split the playoff money between the G5 and N.D.

That single move would enable the SEC and Big 10 to consolidate the entire playoff among the now P4 and force Notre Dame into a conference if they want a decent share.

There might still be some moves to take the SEC and Big 10 to 20 with the coalescing of a third conference out of the ACC and Big 12. But the point is all of the money stays with the upper tier which is what the networks and conferences are working toward without saying so.

I’m not seeing how this proposal would encourage a P4 breakaway (and I say that as someone that has long seen a P4 breakaway - or at least a similar number of schools as there are now in the P4 - as more likely than a P2 breakaway). This proposed financial structure essentially makes the G5 share immaterial. The ND share of 1% is even more immaterial. The ACC and Big 12 have *less* incentive to go after the G5 money than they do in the current system. It’s nowhere near worth it.

That’s not to say that a breakaway won’t eventually happen, but this revenue distribution proposal in and of itself doesn’t really encourage it. That last 10% that they’re giving to the G5 is barely anything. At the same time, let’s not kid ourselves that ND is gong to be forced to do a single thing (and I have every fan-based incentive in the world to say that ND should be forced into a conference). Whatever the Big Ten and SEC do will have ND come along for the ride.

The bolded paragraph is right for the most part.

The 10% is not important to the SEC and Big 10. It will be important to the Big 12 and ACC. And monetizing a hoops tournament for the upper tier as well, even though it will likely include a goodly number of opt ins from the mid majors, will be further incentive.

The issue isn't whether the SEC and Big 10 can breakaway, they can. But they would rather take most of the P4 schools with them. Therefore, the issue is making that last 10% important to the ACC and Big 12. And it will be.

The Johnson case will still be the trigger because it kills amateurism and drives up overhead creating the need to separate. Add that 10% to the Big 12 and ACC and close their gap with the Big 10 and SEC to about 20% and I definitely think there is impetus.

(03-08-2024 05:14 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 05:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 04:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 04:48 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 04:41 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  CFP Revenue

Okay, $1.89M/6 = $315k
UConn made $0.3M before.

The G5 doubled from $1M to a little less than $2M.

Maybe we triple UConn and get them up to a $1M. Congrats!

I think it would be fair to boast AAC and MWC to $5 million because of their history. There should be a divide between them and the rest. It would give them money to help prepare some schools to move to M2.

IMO the SB is right there with the AAC and MW so i would give them the same.

They aren't yet - especially when it come to brand names. Improving, but still behind

They're all the same right now. That's why the $2M is a good fit.

CUSA has the most recent NY6 Appearance. Liberty is on a great trajectory.

AAC lost the majority of their NY6 Appearance teams, but still has Tulane/Memphis with NY6 Appearances and Big East Leftovers USF and Temple.

MWC has Boise State with a NY6 Appearance and will eventually add Pac-12 leftovers Oregon State and Washington State.

Sunbelt has had some exciting upsets over P5 opponents but have yet to result in any NY6 bids.

MAC had a good Western Michigan make a NY6 Appearance awhile back.

None of them are dominating at present. None of them are completely out of the G5 Champion Slot.

(03-08-2024 05:23 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 05:16 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 02:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 01:26 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 12:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Proposal floated gives SEC and B1G about 29% of CFP revenue each, ACC and B12 get around 15%, G4 and ND get 10%

What will those percentages be once the SEC and BIG gut the ACC like a Carolina Mountain Trout?

I don't think the play here is what Dellenger thinks it is. By pushing for the unacceptable the Big 10 and SEC is beckoning the ACC and Big 12 to join them in an upper tier where they don't split the playoff money between the G5 and N.D.

That single move would enable the SEC and Big 10 to consolidate the entire playoff among the now P4 and force Notre Dame into a conference if they want a decent share.

There might still be some moves to take the SEC and Big 10 to 20 with the coalescing of a third conference out of the ACC and Big 12. But the point is all of the money stays with the upper tier which is what the networks and conferences are working toward without saying so.

I’m not seeing how this proposal would encourage a P4 breakaway (and I say that as someone that has long seen a P4 breakaway - or at least a similar number of schools as there are now in the P4 - as more likely than a P2 breakaway). This proposed financial structure essentially makes the G5 share immaterial. The ND share of 1% is even more immaterial. The ACC and Big 12 have *less* incentive to go after the G5 money than they do in the current system. It’s nowhere near worth it.

That’s not to say that a breakaway won’t eventually happen, but this revenue distribution proposal in and of itself doesn’t really encourage it. That last 10% that they’re giving to the G5 is barely anything. At the same time, let’s not kid ourselves that ND is gong to be forced to do a single thing (and I have every fan-based incentive in the world to say that ND should be forced into a conference). Whatever the Big Ten and SEC do will have ND come along for the ride.

The bolded paragraph is right for the most part.

The 10% is not important to the SEC and Big 10. It will be important to the Big 12 and ACC. And monetizing a hoops tournament for the upper tier as well, even though it will likely include a goodly number of opt ins from the mid majors, will be further incentive.

The issue isn't whether the SEC and Big 10 can breakaway, they can. But they would rather take most of the P4 schools with them. Therefore, the issue is making that last 10% important to the ACC and Big 12. And it will be.

The Johnson case will still be the trigger because it kills amateurism and drives up overhead creating the need to separate. Add that 10% to the Big 12 and ACC and close their gap with the Big 10 and SEC to about 20% and I definitely think there is impetus.

True - there are greater forces of employment status for athletes that may force a breakaway. Putting that aside, on the specific CFP revenue distribution, if the Big Ten and SEC are throwing down the gauntlet and force a full split, though, they’re not just going to give that last 10% all to the Big 12 and ACC. That’s going to get divided up proportionally to how the Big Ten and SEC see themselves above the Big 12 and ACC, too. The Big Ten and SEC will still want the same relative revenue advantage over the Big 12 and ACC whether they take all of the G5’s lunch money or not.

Notre Dame will end up being fine no matter what - whether they get 1% or whatever amount from the CFP doesn’t really matter to them regarding independence.

(03-08-2024 12:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Proposal floated gives SEC and B1G about 29% of CFP revenue each, ACC and B12 get around 15%, G4 and ND get 10%.

Pretty close to what I thought with regarc to Ps and Ms, though I didn't think Gs would get cut.

Its pretty bad for the G5 when it works out to exactly the same money they were making before though an expanded playoff.

I have to say that I almost like the 3/3/2/2/1 at this point because it gaurantees 5 non-P2 teams make the playoff each year instead of only 3 teams in the 2/2/1/1/1.

A 3/3/2/2/2 would go further in making it feel more like a true playoff for the subdivision. G5 is getting no money so they should at least get a second autobid.

To JRsec’s point, though, I don’t think football money is really where the P4 get a financial gain from a breakaway. They’re providing so little to the G5 in this latest proposal that it’s a drop in the bucket.

However, you can bet everything that the power conferences want the NCAA Tournament revenue distribution to start looking like football: the vast majority going to the power conferences (presumably the P4 and Big East) simply for existing and a much smaller revenue pool based on performance. THAT is the bigger financial incentive for a breakaway. The P4 are already getting everything that they want for football.

The relatively small performance pool being proposed for the CFP tracks with something that I’ve been saying since I ever started writing about conference realignment: power is about guarantees, guarantees, and more guarantees. No one - not even the SEC - wants up and down variable revenue streams based on performance.